"non" tippers are a zero sum in society

I know some restaurants and pubs here automatically tip out 10% on any food items to kitchen staff. That means if a customer feels he or she doesn’t need to tip on a 20 dollar meal .. 2 dollars will still go to kitchen staff.. and it basically comes out of the server’s pocket.

It’s a good idea to ask your server how tips are split. I’ve also refused to tip if it gets split equally between all servers... and it is specifically my server I wish to tip. My tip is for them only, for good service, and for the cook if the food was good.

I worked in a few fancy dining rooms when I was younger , and more than a few times I saw customers give their server 100 dollar tip for the chef who made the food.

Just remember good service starts with good management. It is up to management to set up a working system that allows for quality service... and to have adequate staff numbers to make that quality service happen.

originally posted by: proteus33
...will you get unemployment like rest of staff ? or less?

The same, it's all based on your declared income.

a reply to: tadaman

Get a real job and you won't have to worry about that kind of stuff.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: tadaman

Get a real job and you won't have to worry about that kind of stuff.

Exactly what method of physical or mental exertion or action (or inaction, perhaps) defines a "real" job?

Monetary recompense aside, quantify this with definitive parameters.

I always tip unless I get attitude, that is one industry where a don't care how bad your day is, you picked that job you need to check it at the door. Thankfully that has only happen once to me when I burned myself on a handle that should have been room temperature but was basically red hot moments earlier. When I complained to the waitress instead of giving me empathy she gave me huge attitude, I was actually in psychical pain, I should have called the manager and demanded a free dinner, instead I said nothing, but she got no tip that night from me, and she knew exactly why, and if she didn't she would be pretty clueless as to what constitutes proper customer service etiquette.

Here’s a tip.
A tip is a bonus given to you and is in no way mandatory. Unless of course you’re working at a place that includes the gratuity on the bill.

Given your attitude I can see why you are so tipless.

It’s not my responsibility to supplement your earnings. If you don’t like what you earn, find another job elsewhere. That’s why the service industry is often a first job. Your lack of ambition is your own problem. There’s places where workers make massive tips.

Having said that (and yes I was rude about it, weren’t you?) I do tip, even when I don’t want to because I feel sorry for you.

How deserving doth thou think thou are?
What amazing feat did you deliver?
Get over yourself. Beggars can’t be choosers and frankly you sound like a cheeky beggar.

Typical ingrate who actually doesn’t deserve any tips at all.
Half the time you cheeky ingrates never even say thanks for the tip.

Oh and like you said you don’t know everyone’s story. People are not mind readers. Perhaps they can’t afford a tip. Some people save up to go out for a meal or whatever it is you’re serving, or perhaps it’s their first time out and they simply don’t know. Or it’s on principle. None of the reasons are any of your business.

So go ahead and quit your job, see if you are missed.

a reply to: violet

So go ahead and quit your job, see if you are missed.

Serving will always be a go to job for many and it is quite lucrative, depending where you work... but it is not as easy and brainless as some make it out to be.

Some very popular servers are missed if they quit, especially good bartenders that customers have befriended. I’ve seen a lot of customers switch to another pub where that bartender now works. A good owner should have a keen awareness of how valued his employees are.. because it will make a difference in the amount as well as type of clientele you attract.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I have a real job and I am not worried about it.

Stop worrying about me. I got it.

EDT TO ADD:
I have a more "real" job than many people. I get paid to do something very real. Things other people CANT DO.

They give real money, I do something they can see and benefit from immediately.

Its more honest than most. Its healthier than most. And better paid than many.

If you cant do it because your body has weakened thanks to your life choices then thats on you.

Its not inferior. You are just not up to the challenge.

Everyday I am only stronger. I get fair compensation for my WORK.

Dont be a dick.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: tadaman

Get a real job and you won't have to worry about that kind of stuff.

Exactly what method of physical or mental exertion or action (or inaction, perhaps) defines a "real" job?

Monetary recompense aside, quantify this with definitive parameters.

A job where you don't complain about how much money the public pays you. Homeless people do this too, you don't hear them complaining.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

I have a real job and I am not worried about it.

Stop worrying about me. I got it.

EDT TO ADD:
I have a more "real" job than many people. I get paid to do something very real. Things other people CANT DO.


Its more honest than most. Its healthier than most. And better paid than many.

If you cant do it because your body has weakened due to your life choices then thats on you.

Its not inferior. You are just not up to the challenge.

Everyday I am only stronger. I get fair compensation for my WORK.

Dont be a dick.

What would this job be, that others can't do? I bet I have the answer. Would these "tips" be in one dollar bills?

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Do you know how to disasseble and reasemble every type of furniture in existence , transport and delivery it up 5 - 15 flights of stairs (can you) if it can weigh anywhere from 100- 500 pounds?

Do you know how to navigate NYC traffic so as to adhere to a commercially viable route where you get to more than one customer in a working day?

Do you know how to observe commercial driving restrictions and can you drive a 20+ footer truck in all streets and cities in the USA?

Can you load over 2 tons of boxes, furniture, equipment, building materials, and a kitchen sink, WITHOUT DESTROYING the value of the items?

Do you know how to transport a church organ, a grand piano, or a priceless work of art?

I do.

To name a few of the things I do in a month.

more.

- communicate with various cultures and languages to make a team project successful over many days and across state lines with various moving pieces logistically.

-Repair damages (Carpentry)

-Maintenance and service for large diesel trucks.

-Transport of art. All mediums.

-Plan and execute a move within various buildings with different elevator time and weight /size restrictions so as to do 1000 cubic feet of packing, moving and unpacking in less than 3 hours,and then transport it on time....including assembly and disassembly of everything from exercise equipment, outdated mechanical components, and IKEA EVERYTHING....

And dont get parking tickets, or let anyone on your team get hurt, and dont let people lose or steal things off the truck or a sidewalk...

Could you do that. Not would you. COULD YOU?

NO? You would pay me. I can.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Do you know how to disasseble and reasemble every type of furniture in existence , transport and delivery it up 5 - 15 flights of stairs (can you) if it can weigh anywhere from 100- 500 pounds?

Do you know how to navigate NYC traffic so as to adhere to a commercially viable route where you get to more than one customer in a working day?

Do you know how to observe commercial driving restrictions and can you drive a 20+ footer truck in all streets and cities in the USA?

Can you load over 2 tons of boxes, furniture, equipment, building materials, and a kitchen sink, WITHOUT DESTROYING the value of the items?

Do you know how to transport a church organ, a grand piano, or a priceless work of art?

I do.

To name a few of the things I do in a month

Yes, I actually did work with making and moving furniture before. I also was a builder. I have moved on from that caveman type position. SO, you do all that corporate stuff (impressive I might add) and you work for tips? I'm pretty good with money, and something doesn't add up here. Btw, don't even try to convince me that you lifted a church organ, and a grand piano. You have to use tools for that. Even if you're a body builder......and I'm Batman....top that.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Oh a caveman.

I guess you couldnt hang. Or you were a Craigslist stoner or something that bitched and moaned the whole day.

Sir, I am a professional truck driver and job foreman for one of NYCs and the country's largest moving and transport companies.

Not only that, I am an elite mover. That is my pay grade. I have moved everyone from movie stars and famous directors and producers to just absurdly powerful and wealthy people. I am in their house chatting them up and getting them to bless me.

You were never on my level.

What ever you do better pay you better. I am probably happier doing this.

Hows your stress and are you happy?

Cavemen. pfft

Thats heartless, like an animal.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Oh a caveman.

I guess you couldnt hang. Or you were a Craigslist stoner or something that bitched and moaned the whole day.

Sir, I am a professional truck driver and job foreman for one of NYCs and the country's largest moving and transport companies.

Not only that, I am an elite mover. That is my pay grade. I have moved everyone from movie stars and producers to just absurdly powerful and wealthy people. I am in their house chatting them up and getting them to bless me.

You were never on my level.

What ever you do better pay you better. I am probably happier doing this.

Hows your stress and are you happy?

Cavemen. pfft

Thats heartless, like an animal.

It's not so much that I couldn't hang. Let's just say that money talks. I am now a 2nd Tier IT Professional. I get to be with beautiful women all day (this alone qualifies as happiness), use my brain, instead of breaking my back and injuring myself, and don't have to break a sweat. I don't work for handouts..(uh hem) I mean tips.

P.S. - You wouldn't be on here complaining about not getting tips, were you as happy as you claim to be.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Good for you. What part of IT school made you into a reprehensible classist?

I use my brain in dynamic and evolving ways.

You use yours in formulaic and sterile ways.

Mine is fluid.

Yours is static.

Mine is better.

I CAN learn what you know.

I am also ripped so I can have all the women I want. Not hang out, have them as lovers or friends.

I choose to be friends.

Women would pretend to love you for your money. You may die alone if youre not careful.

My wife is ride or die. That crazy woman would walk 1000 miles. Me too.

Decisions decisions.

You went to school. I went to Europe and south america. Owned various businesses in different industries, gained MASSIVE amounts of experience that allows me to go anywhere and do anything I want.

I wouldnt take your deathbed, um, I mean your comfortable chair over my job.

Dont forget to get up and use the bathroom. Leads to colon cancer.

P.S.
Money is the only thing I have to worry about...and Im working on that. Give me a second.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

Good for you. What part of IT school made you into a reprehensible classist?

I use my brain in dynamic and evolving ways.

You use yours in formulaic and sterile ways.

Mine is fluid.

Yours is static.

Mine is better.

I CAN learn what you know.

I am also ripped so I can have all the women I want. Not hang out, have them as lovers or friends.

I choose to be friends.

Women would pretend to love you for your money. You may die alone if youre not careful.

My wife is ride or die. That crazy woman would walk 1000 miles. Me too.

Decisions decisions.

You went to school. I went to Europe and south america. Owned various businesses in different industries, and gained MASSIVE amounts of experience that allows me to go anywhere and do anything I want.

I wouldnt take your deathbed, um, I mean your comfortable chair over my job.

Dont forget to get up and use the bathroom. Leads to colon cancer.

#1 I worked my way up from the bottom. I was even homeless once.
#2 I have the benefit of survival as well as this cold intelligence that you speak of. I know both sides of the fence.
#3 I have been to nearly every state in America, to Puerto Rico and Japan several times. I didn't know we were in a contest.
#4 At my age, I've been around awhile. I know of women and their deceit well. The joke will always be on them. I have learned a few things along the way.

Might as well call it a night. We're doing nothing but mudslinging and comparing D**k's at this point. I've no more time for you and your judgements, not knowing one thing about me. It's a bit childish. At least my critisizm's of you were derived from the information that you provided in your posts, Cya.

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

And now I ignore you.

I hope it took a while to write that. Just know I am so petty that I am literally not reading a word of what you have to say.

Its like you are mute.

Bye.

i wish restaurants/cafe's in Australia/NZ had tipping..

the service we get is dismal.. no smile, no conversation, no effort to please..

they make their $18-20ph minimum wage and do bare minimum.. usually they talk on their phones or give you attitude because your'e taking up their time (at work...)

I love tipping in the US.. although, it shouldnt happen every time by default.. if they deserve it, give it. if they dont - dont..

If your job doesnt pay enough.. go study, get a new job.. then go back and tip your old jobs new staff!

a reply to: violet

Who are you talking to?

Are you that Beotch? You owe me some money. I transported 10-12 EXTRA (free) bags and loose items for you so, 1.5 cubes * 12 * .95 cents the cube + over 5miles.

The way I see it, dont ask for more unless you got more to give. I dont OWE YOU a thing.

Give me my 20 dollars! I wanted to go home. I have a family too you know. Your stupid ass should have been a human and carried your own damn crap to your car.

You dont need my truck for that and yes it is making my hard day that much harder...for you.

Are you royalty or holy?

a reply to: IlluminatiTechnician

IT professional?

You are the tech industry's equivalent of a shelf stocker. Anybody can learn to do it, even children, and it's so commonplace that it's banal anymore.

IT was reasonably up there on the Smug Totem, back in the 90's when my brother rode the first wave in. Then everybody else figured out how to get in the niche, many with just self-teaching themselves. Get off your high horse already. You're not as high up the totem pole as you think.