What does "gun control" mean at this point?

a reply to: Shamrock6

No the reporting system shouldn't be the be-all end-all in the decision process, but it can raise a red flag that further investigation is necessary into that individual.

a reply to: kaylaluv

The problem with your idea is that you're talking about a mental health report coming from unqualified people, and using that to investigate a person when they try to exercise their right.

"Sorry, you're gonna have to hold off on exercising your Constitutional right while we check out this voicemail your neighbor left us about you 8 years ago."

a reply to: network dude

Well, one observation I've made is the blatant politicisation of the shooting tragedy almost immediately, from all sides, including Trumps dig at the FBI however it was (is) the University protests that have shown me how brainwashed the die-hard activists have become such that they now want Hitler to take away everyones guns.

a reply to: Shamrock6

So set some ground rules, like it has to be within the last 12 months, and maybe it has to be at least two people who have reported you. It’s better than just handing out guns to crazy people who lie on their forms so they can kill a bunch of kids at a school.

It means use the smith-mundt act to scare everyone into giving up their rights, so the market riggers don't have to be scared.

A small group of people want to own you.

Think of the children type scumbaggery.

The right to defend yourself is being chipped away one Act at a time.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Or people could just do their jobs with the laws we already have?

The FBI could actually investigate tips they get, rather than not doing anything with them. (Like in the case of the Florida shooting)

Social workers could show up and actually say "yes, this dude is unstable and we need to do something" rather than repeatedly showing up, medicating the kid, and declaring him safe. (Like in the case of the Florida shooting)

Parents could actually use their parental rights to get their children professional help instead of just repeatedly calling local law enforcement to come out and do parenting for them. (Like in the case of the Florida shooting)

It's an old argument, but if at any one of half a dozen steps people had simply done their due diligence then this dude in Florida would've been on "the list" and that would've been that. If people can't be arsed to work with the existing laws and powers given to them, giving them more laws and more powers isn't going to suddenly make them more willing to do the job.

The kids are parrotting what their puppetmasters are now telling them to say. Que Soros, Bloomberg, Pelosi, etc. As usual, follow the money that gets them to DC and it will become quite evident in the near future.

A shame so many are trying to profit from teens that are likely psychologically damaged...at least in the near term.

Full disclosure, I’m all in on a conversation on school student safety from guns, providing the left doesn’t make it political. Figure the odds.

originally posted by: network dude
What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?
What is it that everyone wants? This discussion usually ends before it starts, as with anything gun related.

I am genuinely interested in what people are thinking here.

Blood thirsty polit-ganda by powers so eager to destroy our country.....not letting something like this go to waste......pushing kids out in front of them like terrorists to get the heat off.

Oh, and almost forgot. Love how to the MSM, their getting viewers is more important than the psychological health of the kids...all the while the MSM woefully crying about “protecting” the kids. Guess they meant unless our profits are at stake!

And don‘t get me started on the parents who sacrificed their damaged children to the sharks in the MSM for their 15 minutes of fame. Used to be parents protected their children from such debacles. Hmmmm....

originally posted by: network dude
What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?
What is it that everyone wants? This discussion usually ends before it starts, as with anything gun related.

I am genuinely interested in what people are thinking here.

All jokes aside, gun control means something different to everyone. To me it means the loss of millions in taxes that will cause an increase to make up for. Millions of Americans out of a job. The end of things like hunting that will cause closing places like Yellowstone park. Why? Because of the increase of animals like deer, causing an increase in the the animals that eat them, like wolves. This will mean an increased danger to the public. More people killed in car/deer collisions. People who live in small towns and rural areas coming in contact with more predators, getting hurt or killed. The lost income for places like Walmart that sells supplies for hunting. This will cause an increase in the prices to make up for that loss. Then government agencies like law enforcement having to go to other countries to supply firearms and ammo to officers of every type. That also means a tax increase to pay for it.
These are just a few things that WILL happen. There are countless ways in which some highly restrictive or ban laws will effect not just gun owners, but everyone, everywhere in one way or another. That only criminals will have guns is just the beginning.
Plus if you think it will stop at just guns you're a fool. Years ago when people wanted that so called sin tax on cigarettes, others tried to warm then. The more long term thinkers said it won't stop with just the smokers. Now, guess what, a tax on candy bars, fast food and so on. Laws that prevent stores from selling a kid a soda over 20oz if they also want a bag of chips or something. Pretty much anything deemed to be bad for your health is fair game under the sin tax idea.
Bottom line is before you go giving up civil rights try to see the big picture. It would be a lot easier and cheaper for parents to take a greater role in their kids lives. Maybe try teaching them right from wrong. They could start by teaching them the meaning of RESPECT and how you EARN IT with everyone you meet. Just because this person respects you does not mean everyone has too. Maybe teach them better ways to settle their differences than to get a gun.
Anyway that's what it means to me.

Gun control is a complex question with hardheaded people on both sides. To restrict weapons there has to be give and take on boot sides.

Personally I suggest that to own a weapon you must have a permit, to qualify for the permit you must have a background check complete with a physiological exam every 10 years. The permit must be free, and will not have a quantity of weapons per person. To please the other side the permit must be nation wide and act as a concealed carry license honored in every state and US territory.

I don't think that's to much to ask for.

a reply to: network dude

What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?

Maybe ask them. Or rather, listen to them, since they are saying exactly what it means.

Bottom line is they are tired of seeing their friends and peers slaughtered...in school.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: network dude

What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?

Maybe ask them. Or rather, listen to them, since they are saying exactly what it means.

Bottom line is they are tired of seeing their friends and peers slaughtered...in school.

And so do what? Accuse all gun owners? Republicans? ect. How stupid to think thats a solution.

originally posted by: zosimov
a reply to: network dude

Some possible factors that result in mass shootings (which only represent a fraction of overall gun deaths in U.S.):

1. Anti-psychotic drugs
2. Lack of purpose/community
3. Culture of violence
4. Fear based decision making
5. Rise in general anxiety of population, less interconnectedness
6. Fame seeking behavior

When I look at your list, I can't help but think, what if we had metal health counselors who would meet with people who meet this criteria and try to help them regain some sense of reality. Not to be callous, but if we spend money on things to prolong old people's life, why not spend a little trying to prolong a young life too?

Added income, more jobs, safer community, a few less dead kids......

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In the X-ring.

a reply to: network dude

They're welcome to march on Washington. That's their right of freedom of expression at work.

What I want? It's very simple. I want people I don't know, who aren't my friends and/or family to stay the hell out of my business. That's not a Hell of a lot to ask, really.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: network dude

What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?

Maybe ask them. Or rather, listen to them, since they are saying exactly what it means.

Bottom line is they are tired of seeing their friends and peers slaughtered...in school.

I don't think you understand. I know they want change, they want less death, and they say things like common sense gun laws (heard that one before), and gun control. Excuse me if those last two are a bit vague, or perhaps I just dont' get it, but then, that's why I asked.

a reply to: Logarock

And so do what? Accuse all gun owners? Republicans? ect. How stupid to think thats a solution.

They have a right to their opinion. They are the ones seeing their friends and peers slaughtered.

Have you?

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: network dude

What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?

Maybe ask them. Or rather, listen to them, since they are saying exactly what it means.

Bottom line is they are tired of seeing their friends and peers slaughtered...in school.

I don't think you understand. I know they want change, they want less death, and they say things like common sense gun laws (heard that one before), and gun control. Excuse me if those last two are a bit vague, or perhaps I just dont' get it, but then, that's why I asked.

I do understand.

It is not easily solved (and never will be fully solved), but complete inaction is not a solution.

Again, you asked what they want and what they mean, so ask them to clarify, instead of people on ATS, since they watched their friends and peers die in school.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

In the X-ring.

a reply to: network dude

They're welcome to march on Washington. That's their right of freedom of expression at work.

What I want? It's very simple. I want people I don't know, who aren't my friends and/or family to stay the hell out of my business. That's not a Hell of a lot to ask, really.

You know I'm with you here, but I seriously want to know if anyone has any good ideas. Even if they make someone angry. I'm willing to be the one to loose something, if it will actually save lives. This is one thing that needs to not be a political argument. There needs to be something that changes. It's not working, something is broken.

a reply to: Liquesence

Yes, in point of fact, I have.

A good friend was shot and killed in a hold up in Anchorage, AK. He left behind a wife and a little boy.

...and I've no interest in seeing further restrictions on my, and other folks, rights to own firearms. Nice attempt on the "feels".

Those kids have every right to march, sing their songs, scream their outrage. More power to 'em. I'm going to disagree with any of them who feel that I'm supposed to give up my rights.