What does "gun control" mean at this point?

a reply to: waggz

We are trying to talk about specific solutions. What is your solution?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: waggz

So lets say we kill or incarcerate all black people -
will that stop school shootings perpetrated by white people?

I'll tell you what.

I will help you get the crazy wacko whitey's that kill 16 people in one day at schools off the street.

as long as;

you do something about the problem with young blacks and the 100's of people they kill every week.

Sound fair? I think so.

originally posted by: network dude

I am genuinely interested in what people are thinking here.

All gun manufacturers are to be required to install permanent microchip wifi devices in each gun they make, with broadcasting ID signals being emitted from the gun, that enable the location of that gun to be tracked by satellite, every minute of the day.

Then, the government can use sophisticated Artificial Intelligence programs to monitor the location of the guns, and combine that with the NSA data collected on each American, that contains the person's identity, medical history, personality profiles, and all their family and friend connections as NSA collects from Facebook.

The AI program can then do an assessment, evaluating the potential people that could have access to that gun, given the Facebook connections etc.., together with their profiles, and the current movement of the gun across the landscape.

When the AI has determined there's a possible school shooting about to take place, it alerts the nearest Police Department, who can then rush their officers to the scene, and arrive on time "BEFORE" the shooter gets there, and so are able to stop the person from carrying out the deed.

That's a fix.

a reply to: waggz

I'm not suggesting we be politically correct. I'm saying we start working on society and our communities.

I don't know what you're suggestion on solving the problem was, calling out a group just creates more divide.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: waggz

We are trying to talk about specific solutions. What is your solution?

Why can't we have armed guards at entrances of schools? Why hasn't this happened yet after so many shootings?

Wouldn't this be an easy first line of defense while we figure out what we are going to do with the laws?

It means the government gets to restrict your rights and activity. Proper Gun control begins at home.

a reply to: waggz

Okay, community programs to engage black youth and to provide mentors. Assign one mentor to each kid, sort of like the big brother program. Have community facilities for black youth to go where they can learn coping skills and job skills and where they can get emotional and financial support.

Your turn.

What does gun control mean to the kids who are going to march on Washington?

Wait WHAT ?

Let me wrap my little pea sized brain around this.

Kids are going to march on Washington against something that is not already allowed on school premises to begin with?

Which basically means they are going to lobby against another lobby bout doing something that will put middle class workers out of work if they are successful in getting another ban passed(Didn't work for Columbine when there was one).

Then do some snip to the background check we already have but should since it is an infringement of the second,the fourth, and the ninth amendment, and the 14th amendment and the FIFTH amendment.

All so they can feel safe while they are being influenced on their smartphones by Russian bots.

Gosh that made my fingers bleed and my head hurt.

YEE HAW for peaceable assembly to take some more freedom away!

God bless 'Murica!

Long live the idiocracy!

a reply to: kaylaluv

There is no easy answer, but I believe these kids want to make it harder for mentally disturbed people to get guns.

Read the Gun Control Act of 1968, and the Brady Handgun Prevention Act of 1993.

It's ALREADY illegal.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: waggz

Okay, community programs to engage black youth and to provide mentors. Assign one mentor to each kid, sort of like the big brother program. Have community facilities for black youth to go where they can learn coping skills and job skills and where they can get emotional and financial support.

Your turn.

Full detailed medical history investigation into handgun, or semi-auto purchases.

1 month waiting list for Semi auto assualt style weapons that support magazines over 10 rounds.

Felony charges for selling a firearm personally without using a FFL. - I know gun people will not like this one.. but hell your cousin could even go nuts and shoot up somewheresomething with a gun you sold them last week and its still registered to you.

Some type of class required yearly or bi-yearly as sort of a check-up on the individual as well as a training for gun use.

Some type of system that enables easy reporting of an individual that could go haywire. I know this could be used for ill-will but what other options do we have?

Just a few ideas...

originally posted by: zosimov
I'd honestly start with a huge, unified buy back program, in conjunction with an international contest to create sculptures using the melted gunmetal. Generate money, include community on deciding which sculptures will grace the city. Small step but a start.

Less guns in circulation=less chance of an accident.

Positive from negative, creative action. Focus on creating and unity.

i like the idea.
the using the metal for sculpting.

chems would have to be right but it wouldnt be too hard to cast that metal into just about anything, as in something useful for the community.

i dont know how much metal they would yield and how often but i bet its a #ing lot.

there are guns for groceries, or there were around here for a while. i dont think they were a great success but i was working at an iron foundry at the time and once it a while the law would shot up and get sent to the melt deck to supervise/watch the weapons collected dumped into the melt.

it was a lot of guns my friend. and this was just 1 little area with a # ass grocery gift card

Then how are all these mentally ill people legally purchasing guns?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: network dude

The listening part is where it fails.

People get far too emotional, far too quickly, on both sides of the issue for the conversation to ever seem to get very far.

I so have to agree with you. I am indeed guilty. I find myself viscerally responding every time I hear talk about expecting the government to do anything that is in the best interest of the American majority.

I have seen the results of government intervention in the lives of the American people and I don't think we are the better for it.

I spent years fighting for the health and well being of many hard working Americans, and watched monies that should have gone to their care, go places that benefited corporations, or to fulfill an agenda. I have watched people dying of terminal diseases, being treated as criminals when they attempted to just get a tiny amount of relief from pain. Thanks to the governments intervention with their war on drugs, that have only succeeded in creating the greatest addiction crisis that has ever existed. They have succeeded in not just creating an addiction crisis, they have been successful in killing off huge numbers of children, adults, and the elderly, in the process.

So I cannot believe that the results will be much better with their intervention with gun control. I may have my tin foil cap on too tight but all I can see is images from "The Purge", flashing though my head.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It means the government gets to restrict your rights and activity. Proper Gun control begins at home.

The government already restrict your rights and activities regardless of how many guns you have or carry around.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Then how are all these mentally ill people legally purchasing guns?

Because they are LYING on Atf form 4473 which by LAW has to be filled out when they undergo the background check.

www.atf.gov...

11 f.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Then how are all these mentally ill people legally purchasing guns?

Because they are LYING on Atf form 4473 which by LAW has to be filled out when they undergo the background check.

www.atf.gov...

11 f.

Well we obviously can't prevent them from lying, so why not do the research to find out the truth before we just believe them and let them have a gun?

a reply to: kaylaluv

Well, the law says Background check.( That did not exist until the Clinton administration)

The law says 4473 has to be filled out.

The law says LYING is a felony.

Beyond that.

What more do you want?

Just for snips and giggles.

In its 1997 decision in the case, the Supreme Court ruled that the provision of the Brady Act that compelled state and local law enforcement officials to perform the background checks was unconstitutional on 10th amendment grounds.

en.wikipedia.org...

Do people care about their own rights?

Or they just so enamored they support GUILTY until Proven innocent, and is never innocent.

originally posted by: waggz

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: waggz

Why can't we have armed guards at entrances of schools? Why hasn't this happened yet after so many shootings?

Wouldn't this be an easy first line of defense while we figure out what we are going to do with the laws?

First step. Armed guards.
Second step. Mandatory chips for children and staff, to prove everyone entering the building is who they say they are.
Third step. Remove your shoes on entrance and full body irradiation on entry to the building. Metal detectors at every door.

Once they have sucessfuly made this normal practice in the schools, they can move on to chipping the parents and the general masses, then place scanners in every building and on every street corner.

Resistance is futile.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

The government already restrict your rights and activities regardless of how many guns you have or carry around.

And that's a shame. Either way, that's no excuse to add more.

a reply to: neo96

A background check should actually check the background - not just believing what crazy people write on a form.