Shooting reported at Florida high school

a reply to: face23785

Seventeen American children were just ripped apart. You people and your stupid argument mean nothing. Just noise.

Once again, everyone is focusing on the gun.

It's like focusing on the penis in cases of rape. Now who in the hell blames the penis in a rape?

Sounds stupid, doesn't it?


The Redneck actually made a pretty damned good observation about the inability of todays youths of coping with the societal stresses (that we all used to learn to deal with) without shooting anyone!

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: Soulece
I see absolutely no reason to have these semi-automatic weapons be available. I never get a clear response when I ask people this. They usually only say "it's our right to acquire guns". Ok, neat, you can have a hand gun! A rifle! Just as cool, right? These semi's are the weapon of choice for mass murders. If you get rid of them, it doesnt stop shootings. I know this. But that person can go in with a hand gun, but wont be able to kill as many people. If there's a scenario where people have to die and theres no ways around it, id rather less died than more, wouldnt you? Next, they will claim if you ban them they will just go through the black market. True. Although, I do not thinks everybody will have access to it. So that would drop mass shootings from what they are now, to a much lower number. Sure, it still could happen, but LESS would happen. I cannot fathom how somebody could not think of this as clearly as I am.

Do you understand what a semi-automatic gun is? Every single one of my hand guns are semi-automatic. That simply means that it chambers the next round when I shoot. It is the gun I carry at all times. IF I ever have to use it I sure as hell don't want to worry about racking my slide every time, seconds count. Learn before you speak.

It has already been shown this man had some serious mental issues. Let's address that. Seems like every almost every single time it comes down to mental illness of today's people.

Fair, I guess.

How many people are killed a day due to alcohol and it seems to be acceptable.

a reply to: Soulece

I watched my mother die of cancer slowly when I was 16. So in a way, sure. I know what loss feels like.

I lost my own mother two months ago. My wife and I had spent the last several years caring for her hand and foot.

And yet, that loss pales into insignificance whenever I try to imagine losing one of my children. I simply cannot fathom that. Burying a parent is the way of life. Burying a child is something no person should ever, ever, under any circumstances have to deal with.

So I take your response as a "no." You've never faced that.

I say they need to mourn this in anyway suited for them. Not forced doctrine. That only works for the same believers as you. Will I deny them it? No. But I will point out its forcing it onto them. Let them deal in their own way.

And if that way means reaching out to God? You seem to think any way is acceptable except that one.

I'm not forcing my beliefs onto anyone. You are.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: gariac
a reply to: Martin75

Well if carrying a gun is a mental illness, then you are correct.

Excuse me?

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: Soulece
I see absolutely no reason to have these semi-automatic weapons be available. I never get a clear response when I ask people this. They usually only say "it's our right to acquire guns". Ok, neat, you can have a hand gun! A rifle! Just as cool, right? These semi's are the weapon of choice for mass murders. If you get rid of them, it doesnt stop shootings. I know this. But that person can go in with a hand gun, but wont be able to kill as many people. If there's a scenario where people have to die and theres no ways around it, id rather less died than more, wouldnt you? Next, they will claim if you ban them they will just go through the black market. True. Although, I do not thinks everybody will have access to it. So that would drop mass shootings from what they are now, to a much lower number. Sure, it still could happen, but LESS would happen. I cannot fathom how somebody could not think of this as clearly as I am.

Do you understand what a semi-automatic gun is?

9 times out of 10, the answer to this is going to be No. You can see it in their post. They are on a crusade against semi-autos, but then they have no problem with handguns, completely oblivious of the fact that the majority of handguns these days are semi-auto.

Gun-control groups rely on these people having no clue what they're talking about. I've known very few people who know much about guns and are pro-gun-control. The more you know, the more pro-gun you usually become because anti-gun extremist groups positions are based in ignorance.

a reply to: MOMof3

The idiotic, young, nutjob and his parents, are the ones with blood on their hands...not republicans in congress. As a concealed permit holder, I just want to be able to protect myself and my loved ones from criminals and nutjobs, like this gunman. Yep, I do think that's me "right" as a citizen of The United States. Nope, I don't want to rely on an emergency responder getting to a potential life threatening situation, at my house, in time. I want to be able to help those in danger, in case something like this happens around me. I'm one of those "responsible" gun owners, who has taken gun training classes, shoots regularly at the gun range and keeps all his guns locked in a safe at home. The NRA wants to keep guns in the hands of law abiding citizens, like myself. However, I disagree on the NRA's stance on a few things. What I don't agree with, is their refusal to allow background checks for all firearm purchases and providing mandatory gun classes for those who never owned a firearm. You need to show proficiancy in order to get a driver's lesson, why not do the same for gun ownership? We also need for parents to do a better job keeping weapons from their mentally troubled kid's hands.

a reply to: MOMof3

And your argument that it's the fault of the NRA and Republicans, and not mental issues or antidepressants that everyone of these shooters seem to have in common isn't stupid?

a reply to: roadgravel

It’s acceptable to you Children’s bodies are ripped apart. Because we Americans are too stupid and helpless to fix it?

a reply to: MOMof3

Was Nikolas Cruz a Congressman? Or maybe he was an NRA lobbyist?

Must every evil in society be turned political? Have you no soul left?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: MOMof3
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They are doing a crappy job of it, it seems.

Millions of people are still sneaking into the country.

There are places worse than the USA?!

Must be a real #hole they are escaping from.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: face23785

Seventeen American children were just ripped apart. You people and your stupid argument mean nothing. Just noise.

Actually your argument means nothing because it's based on lies. No weapons of war were used. You've been duped by propaganda that depends on you not being educated. Get educated. Parroting the "weapons of war" line is a dead give away that you know nothing about this subject. Nothing. Is it too much to ask that you actually know something about the subject before you post? I know it's not required in the T&C but it's generally considered good etiquette.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: roadgravel

It’s acceptable to you Children’s bodies are ripped apart. Because we Americans are too stupid and helpless to fix it?

Want it fixed?

Fix the parents who are raising or not raising these kids who go bonkers. We could make the whole world a padded room but it won't stop crazy and out of control.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: roadgravel

It’s acceptable to you Children’s bodies are ripped apart. Because we Americans are too stupid and helpless to fix it?

Waiting for you to start a thread about how something needs to be done about all the kids that die in car accidents. Won't be holding my breath though.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: roadgravel

It’s acceptable to you Children’s bodies are ripped apart. Because we Americans are too stupid and helpless to fix it?

You do realize that every single political person and hollywierd figure that has convinced you that you don't need a gun are surround by armed guards, right?

Tell me how this is on the NRA's hands? Please, in your words explain.

I really didn't want to debate gun rights but that seems to be why people are here. Is there a law the NRA broke today? No, who broke the law? Oh, that's right. You don't give a damn about our laws.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Soulece

I watched my mother die of cancer slowly when I was 16. So in a way, sure. I know what loss feels like.

I lost my own mother two months ago. My wife and I had spent the last several years caring for her hand and foot.

And yet, that loss pales into insignificance whenever I try to imagine losing one of my children. I simply cannot fathom that. Burying a parent is the way of life. Burying a child is something no person should ever, ever, under any circumstances have to deal with.

So I take your response as a "no." You've never faced that.

I say they need to mourn this in anyway suited for them. Not forced doctrine. That only works for the same believers as you. Will I deny them it? No. But I will point out its forcing it onto them. Let them deal in their own way.

And if that way means reaching out to God? You seem to think any way is acceptable except that one.

I'm not forcing my beliefs onto anyone. You are.

TheRedneck

Your feelings are your own. Do not ever claim thats law for anybody else.
How dare you say losing a child is different than losing a parent. Just because you feel that way does not make that law. Losing anybody you love is painful. Do not make another dumbass reply like that again.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Not anymore. We are not safe anymore. That was what made America great. Now we are like the ME. One minute our children are playing on the playground, the next their bodies are blown apart with speed and high power. Get thee behind me Satan.

Senator Bill Nelson just now: "The gunman had an AR-15, a high caliber, high rate of fire weapon". Neither of those things are true. AR-15s use .223 which is not high caliber, and it has no higher rate of fire than any other semi-auto handgun or rifle.

This is the kind of drivel that the anti-gun posters in here hear, and believe. You're being misinformed by people who don't know what they're talking about.

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So horrible