Shooting reported at Florida high school

Fox reported that Nikolas Cruz was expelled from the school earlier.

This is looking more and more like a grudge shooting. The fastest way to go from over-protected to unprotected from life is to be expelled.

Indications are that he used the fire alarm to get the kids into the hallway so they would be sitting ducks, instead of them locking themselves inside a classroom if a shooter alert was declared. And for Momof3's benefit, no, we do not know if it was Cruz or the gun that pulled the fire alarm. My money is on Cruz, though.

TheRedneck

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Former student Nicolas de Jesus Cruz, 19, entered Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland armed with an assault rifle and began shooting just after 2pm. Broward Sheriff Scott Israel confirmed that 17 people had been killed and dozens more were injured. Cruz was armed with at least one AR-15 rifle and had 'multiple magazines' when he stormed the school, according to the sheriff. The teenager had been expelled from the school for unknown 'disciplinary reasons'. Authorities have already started dissecting his social media accounts and reported that some of things he had been posting was 'very disturbing'. Traumatized students said that once they heard reports of a mass shooting at the school they knew it would be Cruz, while one teacher said he had been identified as a potential threat to his classmates last year.

a reply to: Edumakated

but one does wonder why they seem to occur more nowadays than in the past

Our current society and the rise of PC is the reason.

a reply to: Soulece

Your feelings are your own. Do not ever claim thats law for anybody else.
How dare you say losing a child is different than losing a parent. Just because you feel that way does not make that law. Losing anybody you love is painful. Do not make another dumbass reply like that again.

*sigh*

I hope, I pray (whether you like it or not), that you never find out how wrong you are.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: face23785
Senator Bill Nelson just now: "The gunman had an AR-15, a high caliber, high rate of fire weapon". Neither of those things are true. AR-15s use .223 which is not high caliber, and it has no higher rate of fire than any other semi-auto handgun or rifle.

This is the kind of drivel that the anti-gun posters in here hear, and believe. You're being misinformed by people who don't know what they're talking about.

He want on to say he's a hunter. This is even more disturbing because he's either so ignorant about guns that he really shouldn't have one, or he was straight up lying to the viewers. Unless all he hunts is squirrels, all his hunting rifles are higher caliber than an AR15.

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: Edumakated

but one does wonder why they seem to occur more nowadays than in the past

Our current society and the rise of PC is the reason.

Well, back in the day kids would get firearm education in school. Maybe it's time to bring that back.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: Edumakated

but one does wonder why they seem to occur more nowadays than in the past

Our current society and the rise of PC is the reason.

Well, back in the day kids would get firearm education in school. Maybe it's time to bring that back.

I'll second that!

a reply to: MOMof3

Not anymore. We are not safe anymore. That was what made America great. Now we are like the ME. One minute our children are playing on the playground, the next their bodies are blown apart with speed and high power.

And what has changed?

Gun laws... much more restrictive than they were back then. But even moreso, how familiar (or should I say, unfamiliar) people are with firearms has changed. I could see your point if we had relaxed gun control and educated people to get to this point, but we have tightened restrictions and prevented firearm education. This shooting took place in a gun-free zone. What law would you pass that would make it more illegal to have a gun there?

Get thee behind me Satan.

I am not the enemy, and I walk behind no man (or woman).

TheRedneck

originally posted by: face23785
Senator Bill Nelson just now: "The gunman had an AR-15, a high caliber, high rate of fire weapon". Neither of those things are true. AR-15s use .223 which is not high caliber, and it has no higher rate of fire than any other semi-auto handgun or rifle.

This is the kind of drivel that the anti-gun posters in here hear, and believe. You're being misinformed by people who don't know what they're talking about.

I actually hate the AR-15 I bought my husband. To me it is big and bulky and awkward and I just don’t like it.

•The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
Click AR-15 above for link to website

The more I hear the more I don’t understand how he made it into the school. He wasn’t walking around blending in like the normal guy. From interviews it sounds like this school had not only an on-site police officer but security as well.

a reply to: roadgravel

Yeah , Commie ISIS Sympathiser . Great to See the Disgraced F.B.I. Clueless on this PRE - Threat .

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: face23785
Senator Bill Nelson just now: "The gunman had an AR-15, a high caliber, high rate of fire weapon". Neither of those things are true. AR-15s use .223 which is not high caliber, and it has no higher rate of fire than any other semi-auto handgun or rifle.

This is the kind of drivel that the anti-gun posters in here hear, and believe. You're being misinformed by people who don't know what they're talking about.

I actually hate the AR-15 I bought my husband. To me it is big and bulky and awkward and I just don’t like it.

•The AR in “AR-15” rifle stands for ArmaLite rifle, after the company that developed it in the 1950s. “AR” does NOT stand for “assault rifle” or “automatic rifle.”
Click AR-15 above for link to website

The more I hear the more I don’t understand how he made it into the school. He wasn’t walking around blending in like the normal guy. From interviews it sounds like this school had not only an on-site police officer but security as well.

Do we know for sure he made it into the school? I've heard he pulled the fire alarm so people would come outside. Most of the dead are inside the school, but he could've shot into the school from outside as they were all funneling towards the doors. My high school had a gigantic glass wall where the front entrance was and hundreds of us would pack around the doors waiting to get out. You could easily hit dozens of people from outside in seconds with a setup like that.

YOU WILL LEARN TO OBEY, CITIZEN!

a reply to: face23785

Well, back in the day kids would get firearm education in school. Maybe it's time to bring that back.

I remember back in the 70s (yes, I'm old, dammit) I got to fire a M-16 military rifle every week in JROTC. We had a competition, under rigidly controlled conditions (which included the M-16 being set on semi-auto; I only got to try full auto once). Sgt. Smith was a stickler for gun safety.

We even once got to watch him fire an M-60 on full auto. It was awesome. And strangely enough, none of us ever shot up the school.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Soulece

Do you have children ?

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: face23785
Senator Bill Nelson just now: "The gunman had an AR-15, a high caliber, high rate of fire weapon". Neither of those things are true. AR-15s use .223 which is not high caliber, and it has no higher rate of fire than any other semi-auto handgun or rifle.

This is the kind of drivel that the anti-gun posters in here hear, and believe. You're being misinformed by people who don't know what they're talking about.

I actually hate the AR-15 I bought my husband. To me it is big and bulky and awkward and I just don’t like it.

Do you know which model it is? They can vary quite a bit.

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: Chickensalad
I just ran across a forum called incels.me that is praising this dude right now.
Best I can tell they're a bunch of self-proclaimed ugly people that have been bullied their whole lives and are blaming society of "chads" and " stacies" for these acts.

It's utterly disgusting and I didn't realize there were actually that many people that think in such a way.

Not justifying these people , but we have the MSM always talking about sexism and racism as the primary victims in today's society.

However, I'm willing to bet that ugly people truly get discriminated against more often than anyone else.

I guess since all sexes and race have ugly people it wouldn't be a helpful cause to their agenda of keeping us all fighting each other.

Where is the #uglypeoplematter cause from Hollywood and the MSM?

While I understand your point, just go check that place out.

These are people that think everyone else is responsible for their actions. Their post are amoral and out right disgusting.

No responsibility for themselves and no drive to change things. It's just "society's fault" that they don't get the tgings they feel entitled to.

a reply to: MOMof3

Do parents, or their parenting hold any responsibility for this?

Yes, some children are dead. Parents and siblings lives have just been shattered in a way I can't even conceive of. Yet here you are, along with others, making political hay.

Let them mourn their children, or their sibs, in peace. They don't need, nor want at the moment, strident idiocy echoing in their ears.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

It seems that these shooters have left a trail indicating a ticking time bomb but there is no concern until it hit the fan. Friends and family don't care and don't care therefore even less for the innocents.

There comes a point where it's helping the person, not betraying them if help is sought.

May be I'm wrong...

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: face23785

Well, back in the day kids would get firearm education in school. Maybe it's time to bring that back.

I remember back in the 70s (yes, I'm old, dammit) I got to fire a M-16 military rifle every week in JROTC. We had a competition, under rigidly controlled conditions (which included the M-16 being set on semi-auto; I only got to try full auto once). Sgt. Smith was a stickler for gun safety.

We even once got to watch him fire an M-60 on full auto. It was awesome. And strangely enough, none of us ever shot up the school.

TheRedneck

It's the same idea with young kids. Instead of trying to hide the fact that guns exist from them and just hope they never come across them, the safest thing is to teach them about them and what to do and what not to do if they find one. Removing the taboo from it helps a lot. It's weird, liberals make the same argument for sex education, I don't understand how they think it doesn't work with firearms. It most certainly does.

The fact that some are turning this into politics is, quite frankly, deplorable.