The Myth of Hell

originally posted by: Agree2Disagree
a reply to: Soulece

I didn't state it as fact....You asked why anyone would take what a group of (very influential) philosophers might have to say as gospel...I gave you an example reason... not THE reason...but a possible(and probable) one...

A2D

Fair enough.

The reason why many people never have the Living God reveal Himself to them, is because their hearts are darkened by sin, the condition of the Fallen nature of humanity.

Delusions of ignorant people, powerless people.

Those with the divine truth can reshape the very fabric of the world. The moment a human, gets a glimpse of true divinity, the nations themselves will tremble as the divine is given flesh and the world is remade. None can oppose an all powerful Divine Authority, not even the combined might of all the nations of man.

As for hell, for all practical purposes we will be able to create it here on earth, series like altered carbon already hint at what will be possible. It won't be just evil ones that are subjected to hell but innocents to, some from the moment of their birth. Born as mere playthings to be tortured for entertainment for eons.

"But you wouldn't be able to handle My glory. You're living in a corruptible vessel, a body that will die."

The power of truth is enough to render even flesh incorruptible. The world will be witness to the truth, and the truth will set it free. It will be cleansed, and it will witness true wonders of a divine nature, as the age of men comes to an end and the dawn of a new age comes to us.

The unraveling of the world you know, and the birth of the ideal world. That is what awaits, your way of life, your status quo, it cannot withstand what is to come.

originally posted by: EasternShadow

Then why do MOST Christians continue to sin? Some are even worst than those who don't even subscribe to any religion. How many cases have you heard a christian priest sexually abused children, committed scandalous activities behind the curtains and many other sins? Where is Jesus grace? Faith in Jesus does not cleanse your heart from greed, jealousy and selfish motivation.

I find this quite ironic when most people like yourself fail to see the "changes" that the Catholic church itself has gone through... The Catholic church has at it's head a COMMUNIST who claims "communists are the best Christians"...

The Catholic church has become very "liberal and even communist at the same time". Were there cases of Catholic priests abusing children before? unfortunately yes, but it has been increasing with the "acceptance of sin as being ok". It has changed with the church. One of those changes has been about the "view on abortion" in which Francis told priests that they all can forgive the sin of abortion when that's not what the bible says, among many other similar changes that pope Francis has decided that should be done because he thinks he knows better. He even wants to change the Lord's prayer.

For decades some people within the Vatican itself have tried to warn of these "changes" that the catholic church has been undergoing" for the past couple of decades at least, when more and more people within the Vatican have become more and more "Liberal". One of those people warning of these changes was Father Malachi Martin. You should read some of his books in which he talks how the teachings of Christ were being subverted, and that there were high ranking officials in the Vatican who were/are satanists. Seeing all the "changes" the Catholic church has been undergoing and it seems that Father Malachi Martin was telling the truth.

originally posted by: EasternShadow
Today is not the same as 2000 years ago. So how does Christ's salvation and grace actually works throughout humanity existence? Christian claim Jesus preexistence, then why didn't Jesus come to save Adam from the serpent? Why would god need to wait thousand of years for Christ to be born? Why not save the very first human that god has created?

God gave mankind free will, you can decide whether to follow those teachings or not. But again, every action has a reaction. Just like your parents could have warned you not to do certain things, but you went ahead and did them as a child, then you got punished.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
I find this quite ironic when most people like yourself fail to see the "changes" that the Catholic church itself has gone through... The Catholic church has at it's head a COMMUNIST who claims "communists are the best Christians"...

The Catholic church has become very "liberal and even communist at the same time". Were there cases of Catholic priests abusing children before? unfortunately yes, but it has been increasing with the "acceptance of sin as being ok". It has changed with the church. One of those changes has been about the "view on abortion" in which Francis told priests that they all can forgive the sin of abortion when that's not what the bible says, among many other similar changes that pope Francis has decided that should be done because he thinks he knows better. He even wants to change the Lord's prayer.

For decades some people within the Vatican itself have tried to warn of these "changes" that the catholic church has been undergoing" for the past couple of decades at least, when more and more people within the Vatican have become more and more "Liberal". One of those people warning of these changes was Father Malachi Martin. You should read some of his books in which he talks how the teachings of Christ were being subverted, and that there were high ranking officials in the Vatican who were/are satanists. Seeing all the "changes" the Catholic church has been undergoing and it seems that Father Malachi Martin was telling the truth.

Of course I am fully aware with "changes" made by Catholic Churches. "Changes", "Greco-Romanization" and "Pagan adaption" have all penetrated christian churches after the apostles were deceased. Paul simply make it more lenient to the gentiles. Your statement just support my reply to other poster that there is no such things as "naturally will want to do good things when in Jesus's grace".

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
God gave mankind free will, you can decide whether to follow those teachings or not. But again, every action has a reaction. Just like your parents could have warned you not to do certain things, but you went ahead and did them as a child, then you got punished.

Sure. Every action has a reaction. I completely agree. But still it does not prove the teaching of Christ today is true and not corrupted. If I am to gamble with faith, I will make sure my gamble worth it.

Right now, the teaching of modern christian isn't worth it.

a reply to: EasternShadow

Let me ask you this. When are children better well behaved? When their parents allow them to do whatever they want without punishment, or when their parents actually decide to teach their children manners, and how to behave? BTW, i am well aware that there are exceptions to the rule, but they are only exceptions.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: EasternShadow

Let me ask you this. When are children better well behaved? When their parents allow them to do whatever they want without punishment, or when their parents actually decide to teach their children manners, and how to behave? BTW, i am well aware that there are exceptions to the rule, but they are only exceptions.

The children will well behave when you stop feeding them with religious lies every time they go to bed. The children will well behave when you teach them more about scientific law and less with religious fantasy dogma. The children will behave well when you stop scaring them with unicorns, demons and ghosts. The children will well behave without you making them guilty for the sin they never did. The children will well behave when you don't hypocrite with your own actions and god's words. The children will well behave when you don't threaten them with hell. The children will listen and follow if only you could just lend your ears for a moment. Everything you do, will be reflected by your children. So it's you are the key. You make a bad move and it's all over. Can you blame the children for your own mistake? Does hell punishment justify for the children when it is you who teach them wrong in the first place?

The children brain are still infant. They could not reason. It's your job as a parent to understand this. Simply punish them for doing things they couldn't understand is wrong and have a profound impact on the children.

Once their brain begin to mature they will start questioning you. And you will see a lot of it coming from teenagers.

One day you'll have to answer all the blantant contradictions, allegories and bad translation by the Bible to your children. So how are you are going to do this? Feeding them with more lies?

a reply to: EasternShadow

I bet you don't spank kids either.

Ignorance is truly bliss, lol.

a reply to: silo13
My father spanked me with his belt, when I was eight years old, just because I missed my bus school and had to walk 10 miles to get back home.

I was hungry, thirsty and couldn't understand my father's anger. It hurt me a lot. From that moment, I began to hate my father. We hardly spoke until he passed away few years ago.

a reply to: Seede

You are mixed up in understanding Genesis. I suggest you need oral Torah along with written Torah to help you understand.

It is you who might be a bit mixed up. I put no trust in oral tradition, whether it be Torah, or Talmud. If you see something different, then by all means share it. Your opinion of my conclusions is just that.

Now if your imply I'm not reading Genesis the way you wish it be read, then you are correct.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

It is you who might be a bit mixed up. I put no trust in oral tradition, whether it be Torah, or Talmud. If you see something different, then by all means share it. Your opinion of my conclusions is just that. Now if your imply I'm not reading Genesis the way you wish it be read, then you are correct.

I did not mean to anger you and if I sounded opinionated then I apologize. Even so, the KJV bible is written in the following manner.

Genesis 1:6 - 8
(6) And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
(7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
(8) And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

You stated
"The Firmament, is the crust of this planet. He does not create "Hell", he created "Heaven". The waters above, and the waters below, is self explanatory."

The firmament is not the crust of the earth in either secular science nor biblical science.

a reply to: EasternShadow

I'm sorry your father and you didn't get along. Parents make mistakes too. I didn't mean to hit a nerve with you - forgive me please for my rash words. I'm an ass sometimes.

a reply to: Seede

I did not mean to anger you and if I sounded opinionated then I apologize.

I learned a long time ago how to separate emotions from logic, and control both. I took no offense. You simply assumed rightfully so that I do not "Follow" the masses. I have a mono tone writing style that deals with only the subject matter.

And in this subject it is the meaning of the word "Firm" as apposed to something that isn't firm. In terms of space, the vaccume of space, the only things that are "Firm", are planets and moons, and the occasional meteorite and comet . The most basic logic. And in those terms, "Firmament" is something that you can stand on, as apposed to something you cant.

The firmament is not the crust of the earth in either secular science nor biblical science.

Correct! And from there you must ask the question, why?

Genesis 1:6 - 8 are correct as written, not, as oral tradition has warped it.

IMHO.

When science finally is able to penetrate the planet and "observe" the core, it will be self explanatory. Until then, it is all, just opinion! Written, or Oral.

Thank you for your reply.

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

The Bible:

Cain > Cultivation And Irrigation Nourishes (C = Compass)

Abel > Animal Bearing Enriches Life (Æ = Æye)...

Seth > Soldiers Establish True Honor (S = Square)...

BTW= Æye is pronounced "Eheieh" and translated into "I Am That I Am"... But You Can Call It "Eye"
Or "All Seeing Eye".

Compass + Æye + Sqaure = Freemason...

My Mindless Babblings Amount To Comedy And Irony And Loneliness.

Firmament...

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

When science finally is able to penetrate the planet and "observe" the core, it will be self explanatory. Until then, it is all, just opinion! Written, or Oral.

Just curious...

what do you believe they will find at the core of the planet?

I think it was Bill Maher who explained it best in "Religilous". You can't have a good guy without having a bad guy.

Every comic book you ever saw has a villain.

Christianity just can never accept that God would be able to do the bad stuff that comes along. You know, childhood cancer, tornadoes destroying houses, millions of people starving, millions wiped out by disease, etc etc etc.

If this stuff wasn't created by God, then there must be someone else to blame for all the bad stuff. Cue The Devil.

Every religion in every part of world history across the globe has a good guy and a bad guy. Every single one.

Hell is very real. I have divorce papers to prove it.

On a more serious note, my father was a Southern Baptist Minister so I was raised to fear the fire and brimstone. I never bought into any of it. After being bombarded with fear mongering from my Mom up to the age of 8 or 9, I decided to say a prayer with her just so she would shut up about it, low and behold I was saved forever from the eternal depths of hell. They say once saved always saved, so I think I'm good to go.

If God wants to torment stupid humans in hell like a kid burning ants with a magnify glass...then I don't want to be his friend.

JW's explanation of the hell myth.
goo.gl...

I have given this some thought, and I suspect the answer lies in the mathematical needs of the text, a la Panin. At any rate, God's fire (the Lake of Fire is not Hellfire, just as the LoF is not ID'd as Hell) is for refining and purification, and so was brimstone (sulfur) in those days. However, I will leave room for your interpretation to be correct.

I think the same thing too, is for cleaning and purification.

But in Alchemy fire is used for "decomposition", for separation of the elements. while sulfur is use for purification and cleanse.

Something else is happening there, that need more analysis.

So my understanding

originally posted by: silo13
a reply to: EasternShadow

I bet you don't spank kids either.

Ignorance is truly bliss, lol.

It's not ignorant in the least to say that children can easily be psychologically damaged based on what they are taught at young impressionable ages. Most often in today's society, that is when they are force fed religion. It is done before they can even think for themselves or know what belief is.

This is a common fact, but since this country is 70% Christian, most people selectively ignore those kind of facts, when they apply to religious indoctrination, but accept them for all other ideas forced on young children.

In the future it will be common understanding to not force ideas on young children including religious belief. If people waiting until children could think for themselves, religion would die quickly because the ideas are unrealistic and only believable to a young child that doesn't know any better.

a reply to: AkragonAs my physical eyes have not seen what is there, I can not scientifically give you a theory. And if anyone who has witnessed this "Core Truth", well, they are not talking. At least, not publicly.

But on the other hand I have observed many myths associated with the core. And, I have seen a organized effort to keep those myths just that, myths.

There are many things to consider when unraveling a myth. Personally, through research I have discovered many myths were actually based in fact. And most myths are the result of a failure to communicate. Though some, depending on the subject, are actually fabrications, skillful fabrications who soul purpose was to deceive. But why?

Is the deception for a good reason, or evil. What do they hide, and why. And to reveal the truth, what would be the result? Would good come from it?

I believe mankind, "all" of mankind, has been deceived from the very beginning of its inception. And the reason for this deception is the very same one we see today. Before you look at the core of a planet, it is well advised for the person to look at their own core, and see what is, and isn't there.

I can see why ancients had a difficult time relating to what they saw, in the mythological sense. But then again, ancients didn't understand the forces at play at the sub atomic level either. The core of this, or any planet is a electromagnetic generator, if you will. It repulses anything oppositely charged, in a balanced manner. The outer crust is balanced from the core and is capable of rotating in any direction similar to how a maglev train operates, minus the rails. Think of a spherical hollow magnet, with a solid reversely charged magnet, smaller in size, within the hollow one. The smaller core is locked in orbit around the Solar Sun, and the crust simply follows it around. The crust simply levitates off of the reversed core. Gravity is simply a misunderstood "capillary attraction" or Static charge multiplied by mass and has little to do with the primary generator.

Again, lacking any direct observation I can not create a "Scientific Theory". But I can imagine from sources who have said they have seen it, mythologically speaking.

what do you believe they will find at the core of the planet?

The truth, of the core! If, allowed!

The ancients seem to have thought that the core was some type of god. Atum, Ra?

In any investigation of the ancient sun god you will inevitably run into a theme of profound influence on ancient thought: You will confront the myth of the central sun — the motionless sun, the sun that did not rise or set, but stood firmly in one place. There is, in fact, a decisive difference between the great luminary celebrated as the king of the world, and the body we call the Sun today: unlike our rising and setting Sun, the archaic sun-god did not move.

The Myth of the Central Sun

No, I do not believe the central core to be god, but I do believe it is a mechanization of our Divine Creator...