House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: butcherguy
I just read the memo.

If someone else has read it...

Could you tell me why the Intelligence Community was demanding that all the names be redacted???

Yeah, I also didn't see anything that mentioned sources and methods at all. Why was that a Dem-MSM talking point? Hmmm

Because they hoped it would work?
Seems like a pretty lame move.

This is just what we knew it would be

A defense of Trump by his defenders distorting reality

Like cutting up puzzle pieces to make them fit where they don’t belong.

Trump and everything he does is a LIE!

Trump and everything he touches is a LIE

Trump and everyone surrounding him is a LIAR

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Xcathdra
So there was no other source information used in conjunction with the dossier. The dossier ALONE was used to obtain the FISA warrant - ILLEGALLY.

And some sneaky circular reporting by Steele to "corroborate" it...

Via some of Hillary's paid for media.

This also shows that the collusion between the mainstream media and Obama/Hillary/FBI was real.

Holy

originally posted by: wakeupstupid
History is happening. Right now. For better or worse, we are going to learn some very interesting things about our government.

That is the truth.

I wager there will be an end to the Democratic Party, and a rise of the Libertarian.

Russia probe lawyers think Mueller could indict Trump - One expects Mueller to move as early as this spring.
www.politico.com...

* The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the intial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

* Andrew McCabe confirmed that no FISA warrant would have been sought from the FISA Court without the Steele dossier information.

* The political origins of the Steele dossier were known to senior DOJ and FBI officials, but excluded from the FISA applications.

* DOJ official Bruce Ohr met with Steele beginning in the summer of 2016 and relayed to DOJ information about Steele's bias. Steele told Ohr that he, Steele, was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected president and was passionate about him not becoming president.

A) The only thing that has been 100% debunked in the Dossier is spelling errors.
B) The fact that the FBI included the Dossier in it's Warrant Applicants undoubtedly means relevant portions were confirmed through independent and multiple sources. That is damning, but not for the FBI.
C) The FBI is duty bound to investigate intelligence regardless of it's source. The Dossier receiving funding at some stage by Democratic Political Operatives is legally irrelevant, they are obligated to investigate.

So is there more to the Memo than this?
Noting that the FBI has also said the Memo has factual omissions that would change the narrative of the Memo, still as it stands I do not see the fuss.

originally posted by: the owlbear
To all of those calling this the end of the Democratic Party,
What is gained by losing a political party?

Power is centralized into ONLY the Republican Party?

How is it a good thing to have only one major political party?

Communists, the National Socialists of Germany (yeah, those guys), and quite a few other countries went the one party route...With the "death" of the Democratic Party, do we get to add Republicans to such an esteemed list?

I'm not saying justice should not be carried out, it should, and accountability is a word foreign to ALL in DC. And I wish the two big parties would split into two or three parties each with an independent presence and electorate.

Whatever happens, can we all try to be civil? Talk things out rather than going "Nyah, nyah, nyah!!! My side wins!" We all lose when this sort of thing happens.

I wont be the end of thee dem party, but it will hurt them a lot.

You are right we need more than one party, heck we probably need more than two.

Even though I am a conservative, I want a strong liberal party.

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: the owlbear


Its not the end of the Dems. Nobody wins when ones government does poop like this. It is sad. But we can get the bad apples out of the basket.

Maybe the basket won't be completely empty.
But judging by the actions of the Democrats (and they knew what was in the memo) at the SOTU Address, there aren't many good apples.

You have a point.

originally posted by: Willtell
This is just what we knew it would be

A defense of Trump by his defenders distorting reality

Like cutting up puzzle pieces to make them fit where they don’t belong.

Trump and everything he does is a LIE!

Trump and everything he touches is a LIE

Trump and everyone surrounding him is a LIAR

That's the defense?
Wow.

So this memo proves, that the Clinton, campaign used a federal investigation dept. against her opponent.

All these revelation makes me wonder if there is any relation at all to the behavior of the FBI in the Hillary Clinton "matter"? Many of the same players were involved in that "matter" as well.

Quick question to anyone;

Do the presidential daily briefs include FISA warrant applications?

Historical context of FISA abuses and why it should be ended or drastically changed.


www.usatoday.com...

Like I said. The same publishers of the memo sat on it while ignoring a debate.

a reply to: the owlbear

👀 Democrat Party needs to "re-brand" and split.

🗯

originally posted by: Willtell
This is just what we knew it would be

A defense of Trump by his defenders distorting reality

Like cutting up puzzle pieces to make them fit where they don’t belong.

Trump and everything he does is a LIE!

Trump and everything he touches is a LIE

Trump and everyone surrounding him is a LIAR

a reply to: Willtell

What was that?

Trump and everything he does is a LIE!

sorry didnt catch that

Trump and everything he touches is a LIE

pardon me one more time please

Trump and everyone surrounding him is a LIAR

so are you going to tell us how you really feel???

YAHOO has a news division with journalists?

originally posted by: Xcathdra
So there was no other source information used in conjunction with the dossier. The dossier ALONE was used to obtain the FISA warrant - ILLEGALLY.

That's not what it says. It says they knew they didn't have enough without the dossier and they knew the dossier was unverified. They also knew it was paid oppo and withheld it from the court. That's bad enough.

originally posted by: Thorneblood
Choo choo....all aboard the hype train to nowheresville...with stops at let down station and disappointed blvd.

Maybe the 60 page version will have some more meat cause all this is gonna do is whet the appetites of trumps base while they gnaw these scraps.

So much for transparency.

This memo, if true, is a huge deal.

Here is it boiled down to the simplest level.

It says McCabe testified in December that without the memo, there would have been no fisa warrant.

That should be easy to prove or disprove.

If this is true, for reasons I showed in my previous posts and threads, it is an enormous scandal.

originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Xcathdra

I believe this may be the actual MEMO...

Going to be interesting to see the fallout!!

I hope that isn't the entire memo. If it is, I feel let down. Bigly.

You dont find the fbi using paid oppo research that they knew was unverified to spy on the peoples paying opponent, and then not telling the fisa court who paid for it a big deal?

originally posted by: butcherguy
I just read the memo.

If someone else has read it...

Could you tell me why the Intelligence Community was demanding that all the names be redacted???

BINGO

Why do you think all these people had their messages requested by investigative committee yesterday?