House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

i think it boils down to, the Steele, dossier being falsified and created with a political democratic agenda. Which makes it illegal..

I read it - its totally without context - it says nothing about what justification was used to renew the FISA order every 90 days - there's a burden of proof beyond the dossier that was obviously met. If crimes were committed they were committed. This whole memo seems an attempt to supplant doubt based on flimsy (and incomplete?) justification of their interpretation of the dossier's credibility. There's much more beyond the dossier that the memo does not even touch on.

a reply to: introvert

No worries I was just excited to finally see what there was. Its not often we get a look into these types of things and as much hype as there was for this I was ready to read and determine for myself.

As we now have the actual document to read it sure does appear like all of the checks and balances in the FISC system were thrown to the wind or hidden to push for surveillance of the Trump campaign as well as later his administration. This memo seems to outline a pretty clear case of corruption by members of the DOJ and FBI to smear the president/president elect. This sort of thing should never happen and its very telling that the FBI and DOJ objected to the names not being redacted. Those names all relate to themselves and most of them if not all were known to us already. I saw nothing having to do with sources or collection methods to protect. Just the same actors we already had suspicions about.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: Xcathdra

I believe this may be the actual MEMO...

Going to be interesting to see the fallout!!

I hope that isn't the entire memo. If it is, I feel let down. Bigly.

originally posted by: underwerks
I love seeing all these people arguing over what the memo says, when no one has read it yet.

Your agenda is showing.

I have linked the memo above and read it.

To me this is the biggest takeaway.

First, on Page 5 , number 4 ids the most damning info. First it says in a December 2017 hearingt McCabe admitted that there would have been no fisa warrant sought without the dossier. However, that same section shows that FBI counter intel Assistant director Bill Preistap admitted that at the time of the original fisa application of Page, corroboration of the dossier was in its infancy.

It also shows that when Steele was terminated in in relationship with the FBI, a separate FBI unit admits the dossier was only minimally corroborated.

This is made even more damning by the fact that despite the fact that the DOJ and fbi knew that Steele was paid for by the DNC and hillarys team, they failed to report that to the fisa court.

So what this means is that McCabe admits that there would have been no warrant without the dossier, they knew the dossier was not corroborated, and they did not tell the fisa court that the dnc and hillarys team paid for it.

If true, its an unbelievable level of corruption.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Grambler

If it is true that the fisa warrant on page wouldnt have been approved without the dossier, it is the biggest political scandal of my lifetime.

Excuse my ignorance Grambler [ATS - Deny Ignorance! Or at least admit it

], but can you elaborate on why the dossier being used to justify that FISA warrant is such a big deal? Is it because of the fact that the democratic party funded the investigation by the intel agencies or what exactly is the crux of it? Thank you for your knowledge and analysis!

Glad you asked, I didn't wanna be the one who did, lol...

a reply to: DBCowboy

Worse, the agencies/agents involved withheld information from the FISA court to secure the warrants. Information about the foreign intelligence involvement, opposition research dossier etc.

At least that's my take, but it's still sinking in.

a reply to: the owlbear


Its not the end of the Dems. Nobody wins when ones government does poop like this. It is sad. But we can get the bad apples out of the basket.

originally posted by: neo96
Trump haters went above and beyond NIXON!

To the moon,and beyond.

Dossiergate!

Yes, this truly does make Watergate look like any other day in Washington.

Has Rod baby been fired yet?

I think there is just cause.

originally posted by: butcherguy
I just read the memo.

If someone else has read it...

Could you tell me why the Intelligence Community was demanding that all the names be redacted???

Yeah, I also didn't see anything that mentioned sources and methods at all. Why was that a Dem-MSM talking point? Hmmm

a reply to: ausername

Gee whiz woopee

Politcal HACKS at yahoo.

www.yahoo.com...

Just ignore this year long farce was a partisan witch hunt to begin with.

Now release the Kraken on scumbags!!!

a reply to: underwerks

I don't think anyone had expected you to be upset about the abuse of power demonstrated by your leaders, based on FALSE information.

Russian collusion? That's done for.
A real collusion has finally been shown

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: Grambler


The fisa court had no idea that the application was based on a dossier that was funded by the dnc. Is this correct?

Well they knew aboput the dossier, but did not know it was paid opposition research by the democrats, because the FBI and doj did not tell them.

Presumably because they knew the court may have hesitated to grant a warrant to spy on Trumps team based on a paid document from his opponent.

So there was no other source information used in conjunction with the dossier. The dossier ALONE was used to obtain the FISA warrant - ILLEGALLY.

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: the owlbear


Its not the end of the Dems. Nobody wins when ones government does poop like this. It is sad. But we can get the bad apples out of the basket.

Maybe the basket won't be completely empty.
But judging by the actions of the Democrats (and they knew what was in the memo) at the SOTU Address, there aren't many good apples.

originally posted by: butcherguy
I just read the memo.

If someone else has read it...

Could you tell me why the Intelligence Community was demanding that all the names be redacted???

Even better question, we were tolsd this memo could hurt national security by reveaaling methods etc.

What in this memo could possibly do that?

It seems more and more like the only reason that the fbi and dems didnt want it released is because it makes them look bad.

a reply to: Grambler

I think that is the jest of the story. We had Hillary Clinton, make an investigation on her political opponent. Without any merit to do so, here is the kicker, on the tax payers dime, democrats and republicans. Let that sink in...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
So there was no other source information used in conjunction with the dossier. The dossier ALONE was used to obtain the FISA warrant - ILLEGALLY.

And some sneaky circular reporting by Steele to "corroborate" it...