House Intelligence FISA memo released: What it says

originally posted by: Speedtek
It's up to a judge to determine if a FISA warrant is issued no? It is then the judges determination if the evidence given has enough weight to justify it.

The judge grants or denies the FISA warrant based on the application submitted by FBI/DOJ officials. Its required of the FBI/DOJ person to ensure accuracy and truthfulness of the application. As officers of the court they are held to a higher standard and as such judges rarely if ever question a warrant application. In this instance they failed to disclose facts to the court solely to get the warrant approved.

ETA - Cathering Herridge received the memo and is reviewing it now.

Let's go "Fact" Check Busting >>>>

( Posted on September 22, 2017 )
There is still no evidence that Obama ordered wiretapping of Trump or Trump Tower. Trump misrepresented the process in his tweets. Under the law, the Justice Department and FBI submit a request to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, known as the FISA court, which authorizes the wiretapping. Obama would have no role in requesting or approving a wiretap. The CNN story said that the Justice Department and FBI obtained a FISA court order to conduct surveillance of Manafort – not Trump. And there’s no evidence that even Manafort was wiretapped while at Trump Tower. The CNN story said, “While Manafort has a residence in Trump Tower, it’s unclear whether FBI surveillance of him took place there.”

😇 Busted 😇

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: GuidedKill

Mueller? So this memo has nothing to do with Mueller and his investigation, which isn't headed by the FBI. So clearly you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Mueller was appointed because Trump fired Comey.

But meh. Talking to you guys today is going to be a waste of effort. The willingness to believe and confirm your guys' biases based on excerpts from a 4 page summary of a 60 page document without the rebuttal memo released just shows y'all don't care about fair investigations.

Keep reaching....You're going to need go go gadget arms to grab this one.


lol just admit it already. you backed a loser and she lost. You put your faith in the FBI and they lied to you. Don't be a three time loser and just admit you were wrong.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Regardless if there is conspiracy with Russia or not there is still the possible obstuction of justice charge to investigate. Don't worry Mueller isn't going away. Paul Ryan agrees:
Paul Ryan: Memo Will Not ‘Impugn’ Mueller’s Russia Probe
Nice try. Maybe next time try denying some ignorance before popping that champagne bottle.

a reply to: introvert

Where are you reading the actual memo...I have been googling like a mad man to find and actually read the thing myself and I haven't found it yet. In fact funny enough most Google searches have articles from days or weeks ago as top results and hardly any in comparison were from within the last few hours. Go figure...

a reply to: GuidedKill

How about NO scott? I literally have no fears about this memo changing anything.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: introvert
After reading a bit of the memo, it does not appear it states what people thinks it does.

But we do know for certain, in the words of the Republicans that wrote the memo, that the dossier was not used to get the warrants.

It has not even been rel;eased yet.

Sorry. I misspoke. After reading the OP's link on the memo.

My bad. Lot of things going on.

docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/20180129/106822/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

Link to the text of the memo.

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originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: introvert

Where are you reading the actual memo...I have been googling like a mad man to find and actually read the thing myself and I haven't found it yet. In fact funny enough most Google searches have articles from days or weeks ago as top results and hardly any in comparison were from within the last few hours. Go figure...

I corrected myself in another post.

I did not read the actual memo yet. I read the OP's link and a few others.

Again, my apologies.

originally posted by: Speedtek
It's up to a judge to determine if a FISA warrant is issued no? It is then the judges determination if the evidence given has enough weight to justify it.

That's the point. The judge was essentially lied to in order to get the warrant. That is the scandal.

Put another way... it is no different than a cop making up evidence and presenting it to the court to try to convict a drug dealer.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: introvert
After reading a bit of the memo, it does not appear it states what people thinks it does.

But we do know for certain, in the words of the Republicans that wrote the memo, that the dossier was not used to get the warrants.

It has not even been rel;eased yet.

Sorry. I misspoke. After reading the OP's link on the memo.

My bad. Lot of things going on.

no worries it happens.

a reply to: Grambler

Thank you...finally!

a reply to: Xcathdra

I'm not worthy to read the memo, because I can't comprehend the memo. I'm just a dumb American. HAHAHAHA

Ha! So this confirms the executive branch under Obama used paid oppo research from the Clinton campaign to manufacturer cause to spy on political opposition during a campaign, and that without that oppo research they would not have gotten the warrant (which is apparently true because they were denied at least twice previously). They've also previously been shown to have used unmasking to identify US citizens involved (campaign members).
And we're 20 minutes in. What else is in the memo?!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: shooterbrody

Regardless if there is conspiracy with Russia or not there is still the possible obstuction of justice charge to investigate. Don't worry Mueller isn't going away. Paul Ryan agrees:
Paul Ryan: Memo Will Not ‘Impugn’ Mueller’s Russia Probe
Nice try. Maybe next time try denying some ignorance before popping that champagne bottle.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: shooterbrody

Regardless if there is conspiracy with Russia or not there is still the possible obstuction of justice charge to investigate. Don't worry Mueller isn't going away. Paul Ryan agrees:
Paul Ryan: Memo Will Not ‘Impugn’ Mueller’s Russia Probe
Nice try. Maybe next time try denying some ignorance before popping that champagne bottle.

I suggest you look into something called "the fruit of the poisonous tree" before you make many more statements.
How is there obstruction to an investigation that would not exist?

So I'm a little behind. Does this mean the Obama administration wire taped Trump?

Reports are confirming what we've suspected all along: the FBI knew of the political origins of the dossier, and hid this from the FISA court. There would not have been any FISA warrant without the dossier.

Fusion used media sources to bolster the credibility of the dossier, so the FBI could pretend the info was credible.

Legal implications: Multiple FBI agents are going to need very good lawyers. The FISA warrant was clearly illegal.

They were correct: This is easily bigger than Watergate.

I love seeing all these people arguing over what the memo says, when no one has read it yet.

Your agenda is showing.

The Steele dossier formed an essential part of the intial and all three renewal FISA applications against Carter Page.

We TOLD YOU!

Trump haters colluded with foreign intelligence to RIG OUR ELECTION.