FISA ‘Info Suggests Documents Catastrophically Bad For Dems’: Adam Schiff Leaks Dry Up

a reply to: luthier

They are fairly seeing if Obama and co. are going to get away with their shenanigans. If not, perfect. If they do then Trump will use the same system to help his case in 2020. Any other deflection i can help you with?

a reply to: xxspockyxx

Lol. You are the deflector.

Not a single patriot would vote to expand the fisa program. Yet Devin nunes, trey gowdy and 193 other house republicans did while sitting on this information. They could have held up the vote but hey why bother. The program has worked so well.

a reply to: luthier

It may or may not have worked for Obama. We will find out. Why would they shut it down when they may have the same opportunity to use it against their own political opponents in the future? Politicians are awful people but they are not stupid.

a reply to: xxspockyxx

Exactly. They are all awful. They aren't heroes. And people can't see through the cherades. The point would be to stop the spying not continue it and expand upon it. Two wrongs don't make a right. They just further the dystopia.

a reply to: luthier

At least you are admitting that the left was wrong in the 1st place. Maybe others will see that it is possible to not be blind to partisan politics and stop asking for tax returns when this thread has 0.000000000x500 to do with that issue. Not looking at you luthier

a reply to: xxspockyxx

Oh yeah. It seems pretty obvious lynch was dirty. I just am so cynical I don't trust any of them.

I see amash, and Rand Paul vote for the people most of the time. Paul has higher ambitions so I take his public comments with a grain of salt but he voted pretty well.. guys like nunes and shciff make me sick.

As a result I don't have many stars or friendly replies most of the time in political threads. I see that as a good thing. Like the truck driver in the Nosedive episode of black mirror.

a reply to: luthier

Well I gave you one. And I lean right but can also see most of them for what they really are as well. We watched shut up and dance last night but nosedive was a great one as well.
Let's hope for the sake of our country that all of this non sense with the fisa warrants true or untrue comes to light so we as an entire race of Americans can start to trust our government a little and maybe rest assured that we wont get spied on for having opposing beliefs. I personally have plenty of other things on my plate to worry about.

a reply to: xxspockyxx

Believe it or not I lean right as well. Just libertarian.
I end up playing devils advocate to some people who are true believers. I have two fbi agents in my extended family. Brothers believe it or not and they are truly great people. I mean Joe America almost apolitical people. Just regular field agents but I trust those types more than any politicians. If the swamp were to be drained I feel it would be them. However it gets dodgy with the higher ups and the doj. They have been saying it's political since the Clinton administration.

I don't want my party to win by subversive lies and spying. I want them to win because they are actually lesser of two evils. Not just a new kind of evil.

Anyhow I appreciate the candid remarks. I play this role on ats to get people to question their own as well as blame the other side. So don't think I sidw with democrats.

I have some liberal philosophies but more in the classical sense. Let's hope some actual truth comes out. Not sone thing that just riles up the base. From what I hear Mueller isn't actually some partisan hack. Possibly uses strong arm technique but not a jaded hack people make him out to be. But I honestly have no idea.

Byron York ✔ @ByronYork

I'm told number of House members who have read secret Intel Committee 'FISA abuse' memo is now around 200. Leaders planning public release, timeframe 1-2 weeks.
6:28 AM - Jan 23, 2018

originally posted by: Xcathdra

Byron York ✔ @ByronYork

I'm told number of House members who have read secret Intel Committee 'FISA abuse' memo is now around 200. Leaders planning public release, timeframe 1-2 weeks.
6:28 AM - Jan 23, 2018

Were they the 195 that voted to keep and expand the program?

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Xcathdra

Byron York ✔ @ByronYork

I'm told number of House members who have read secret Intel Committee 'FISA abuse' memo is now around 200. Leaders planning public release, timeframe 1-2 weeks.
6:28 AM - Jan 23, 2018

Were they the 195 that voted to keep and expand the program?

I don't know. You would need to ask them.

a reply to: Xcathdra

It's already on record. Most of the guys in the news including nuns and gowdy voted yes.

originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: Xcathdra

It's already on record. Most of the guys in the news including nuns and gowdy voted yes.

Then why did you ask me the question?

As far as the law goes when the info comes out I would imagine we will see a new law placing tighter controls on the FISA system.

a reply to: dashen


If the Dems did anything wrong, let it be known!

The president can declassify and release any document as his discretion. I hope he does so.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: dashen


If the Dems did anything wrong, let it be known!

The president can declassify and release any document as his discretion. I hope he does so.

Yes but if he does, he will be accused of obstruction of justice.

In fact it seems evident that is where the never trumpers are now hanging their hat on the Mueller investigation, despite the fact that the President may fire the FBI director for any reason he chooses.

a reply to: Grambler

When a text message by Strzok reads investigation to impeachment before any investigation is even started we know what the left wants - A coup.

Apparently that tidbit was in the most recent pages of text messages that were turned over.

If this goes the way I think the Democrats are in big trouble now and in the midterms.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: dashen


If the Dems did anything wrong, let it be known!

The president can declassify and release any document as his discretion. I hope he does so.

Yes but if he does, he will be accused of obstruction of justice.

In fact it seems evident that is where the never trumpers are now hanging their hat on the Mueller investigation, despite the fact that the President may fire the FBI director for any reason he chooses.

It was like they were baiting him/Sarah at the press conference today. "Why doesn't the President just fire Mueller if he thinks it's all a waste of time?"
Like we don't all see what the "story" would be in the media afterward.

a reply to: RadioRobert

Part of me wonders if the FISA memo of Nunes is not also an covert operation all on its on. Tease this damning info and make it clear it names names. Then sit back and see who does what.

I find it impossible that some of these people on both sides arent "wiretapped" / under surveillance.

a reply to: Xcathdra

So now pillow talk between FBI agents having an affair is the first shot fired in a coup? Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill. I am willing to bet that if you trawled through all the FBI text messages sent back in 2010, you would find hundreds grumbling about that "n----- in the White House." Even FBI agents are entitled to have their own personal opinions; not acting on them is part of their job description.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Xcathdra
not acting on them is part of their job description.

I think this is where the problem is perceived.