Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Just curious, whats your primary field of research?

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Yes! UFOlogy isn't really a thing over here in my even more 'remote country' (including the language barrier). We heard about these topics with the release of the infamous Rosswell authopsy movie or at the peak of The X-Files, but that's about it.

It's even more telling that the biggest case, the Belgian triangle wave, isn't even a thing over here anymore

There was a TV series about UFOs in Europe. The specific Belgian Triangle UFO episode is here. Whether that helps or not I don't know.

As to European ufology we have some interesting cases but nowhere near as many that come out of the USA. Part of it is because of the huge entertainment factor that continues build around the subject there as well as intel people poking around. But to be fair there are also some very fine researchers based in the United States.

I suspect the "To the Stars Project" will just be another entertainment franchise in the end. What I'd like to know is what all those scientists on the payroll are really up to?

originally posted by: Hyperboles
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Just curious, whats your primary field of research?

Dodging the answering of that question!

J/K Sort of.

Originally it was the study of "Kundalini", until I discovered that it was 50%
deception (well maybe 100% deception "Kundalini" is known as the mother
of deception --- also known as the root of human consciousness --- telling,
no?)

So my primary field of study has become to live with happiness, while
following a very tiny trail through the eye of a needle, just to see where
it goes.

That trail goes through the field of UFOs and the paranormal, vaguely,
but i'm not actually interested in those fields.

I suppose that I'm somewhere between "why" and "why not".

I find myself being useful in a Fortean way.. that's one way of saying
what I'm doing.. I like being useful.

Mostly science.. but open to starting new fields of knowledge and
examining old twaddle for anything of value.

I don't know if that response was helpful.

PPS:

I suppose I should mention that I did 7 years as a nuclear engineroom
supervisor and I've done almost 30 years as an IT architect now..
and started a successful dot.com .. but that's not research.. just
letting you know that i"m not JUST a twaddle-head.

a reply to: mirageman

I suspect the "To the Stars Project" will just be another entertainment franchise in the end. What I'd like to know is what all those scientists on the payroll are really up to?

I have a similar feeling about this new "UFO of the moment" story. I'm also interested in what is going on behind the scenes, what's this odd collection of scientist up to.
It reminds of a magicians trick, we're looking in the wrong direction and it's his other hand we should be concentrating on.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yep I get you, but this has nothing to do with coming from a spiritual or new agey worldview, just to get that straight. More like your average overworked family man with no interest in chakras and who knows that crossing his legs even slightly would throw his knee joint out

Most of us are looking for the same thing from different angles based on experiences that we didn’t ask for. I’ll take a further look down the path of ‘antenna syndrome’ (and consciousness studies), and re-read Graham Hancock’s ‘Supernatural’; essential reading in this subject.

As for UFOs I’ve yet to see one so I’ll back out of this for now and leave it to you guys.

What is this Antennae syndrome thing?

Can somebody fill me in on it

Goggle is insufficient here

a reply to: firesnake

One person's treasure is another person's trash.

But yes you are most correct. Many people are looking for very
similar things, in their own way. And must come to a terrible
dead-end, many times, before they learn good lessons, if they
ever do.

I wouldn't deny anyone that journey.. it's worth more than the
destination in most cases.

However I think that many people waste a lot of time on rubbish,
then regret they didn't love their family more --- that sort of thing.
I know that I wasted a lot of years.. only I was an only child without
parents.. so I had nothing else to do.. but I should have "found a
family" much faster than I did.. it took me 52 years to experience
family and regular human love.

And as for "UFO's" there are certainly frauds and misidentifications..
and then there are the sort of things that you and I study. So no
UFO's at all, except in the very literal verbal sense of something
being somewhat unidentified.

Kev

a reply to: Willtell

The "antenna syndrome" was mentioned back on page 1 of the thread.

In a nutshell they are people who (claim) to have experienced UFO/UAP events at close quarters :

“Some people [seem to] attract the [UFO] phenomena or the experiences..they act like an antenna or are like lighthouses in the dark”.

They have certain biometric markers and DNA changes which show up after MRI, tissue and blood scans according to the research.

a reply to: mirageman

Thanks mm

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Yes! UFOlogy isn't really a thing over here in my even more 'remote country' (including the language barrier). We heard about these topics with the release of the infamous Rosswell authopsy movie or at the peak of The X-Files, but that's about it.

It's even more telling that the biggest case, the Belgian triangle wave, isn't even a thing over here anymore

I suspect the "To the Stars Project" will just be another entertainment franchise in the end. What I'd like to know is what all those scientists on the payroll are really up to?

I also wonder what this is about?

www.sec.gov...

PRELIMINARY OFFERING CIRCULAR DATED AUGUST 15, 2017

To The Stars Academy of Arts and Science Inc.

We are required to pay a minimum royalty guarantee of $100,000 each calendar year. Under a Licensing Agreement, we are required to pay royalty payments to Tom DeLonge, Mr. Handsome, LLC, and Good In Bed Music, ASCAP (see “Intellectual Property”, “Liquidity and Capital Resources”, and “Interest of Management and Others in Certain Transactions”). If total royalty payments in any given calendar year are less than $100,000, we have agreed to pay any shortfall such that the annual minimum royalty paid under the Licensing Agreement will be $100,000. This means that we will have to pay this amount even when we have limited revenues, and this could materially reduce our earnings in any year. Failure to pay the minimum royalty guarantee could lead to termination of the Licensing Agreement, and termination of the Licensing Agreement could result in legal and financial harm to the company.

Came across this article that was written by Raytheon’s official web site. They actually mix up the two incidents - Gimbal and USS Nimitz - but I’m only curious about the data.

“Even so, the video images are not definitive proof that the jet pilots were chasing an actual UFO.

“To really be sure, we would need the raw data,” said Dr. Steve Cummings, vice president of Technology Development and Execution at Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems. “Visual displays alone are not the best evidence.”

So how best to track an alien spaceship in our skies?

“Wide-area search of some form or another," said Cummings. “I would want want at least two sensors, like radar and [electro-optical/infrared], to search the skies...One way to actually verify these and be absolutely certain that this is not an anomaly is to get the same target, behaving the same way on multiple sensors.”


I’ll guess that the actual data from 2004 is long gone ( or under lock and key). But its good to see a DOD contractor taking this some what seriously.


www.raytheon.com...

Also an interesting read

devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com...

Quote by ex CIA chief 2013-2017 John Brennan:

“During the course of my career, both in the CIA as well as the White House, I was aware that there were endeavors to try to discern what some of these phenomena are.” Me: What did you learn? “That most of them remain unexplained. But that shouldn’t mean that we don’t continue to pursue it. And try to apply the latest technologies and the latest science to understand what may be going on.”

Credit Billy Cox. De Void Blog - Herald Tribune

To anyone who would like to answer this question I would be interested in your response.

Let's assume you have neither seen a Sasquatch nor had a UFO encounter.

Which would be more plausible?

The existence of Sasquatch?

or...

The existence of extra terrestrials?

a reply to: Outlier13

Something native to Earth.

Just getting here from another star system would be quite difficult
without a lot of tech and a lot of resource / desire to do so.

A primate just had to have evolved here, just like we did.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks for your reply. Would love to see a nuclear engineroom on a submarine.
A fellow pilot who was also a nuclear submarine chief engineer described it to me some years earlier.
He mentioned its a very simple system and wet steam is used to drive the turbines

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks for the reply. This was how I thought someone might answer using the same logic you applied. However, what if the answer is first ETs and then second Sasquatch?

Here's why. IMO directed panspermia is the most logical explanation for life on Earth. I personally do not believe life simply spontaneously erupted on Earth. It was deposited here billions of years ago by an asteroid / comet impact from a distant star system billions of years ago and evolved into what it is today.

A billion or so years from now when Earth is uninhabitable but still contains microbes of life some catastrophic event will occur and pieces of our planet will populate another planet somewhere in the Universe. I liken it to the light and fluffy seeds of a dandelion being carried wide and far by winds depositing them where ever they land and begin to grow.

Of course I cannot prove any of this and it is partially anecdotal. The only observations I can make are relative to our immediate environment. Our Earth has multitudes of examples of how how our great oceans and winds carry seeds, fauna, and microbes across the globe to be deposited and life evolves. If we believe microbes have been discovered on meteors then the high probability exists humans are in fact ET.

If the Universe is as immense as it has been theorized then we are nothing more than a mathematical probability. I recall viewing with absolute amazement the high resolution image of the Hubble Deep Field. There are an estimated 10,000 galaxies contained within that tiny, microscopic area of the Universe. 10,000 galaxies. It boggles the mind how much life exists just within that tiny, tiny, image.

The point of my question was simply to prove both topics are traditionally considered taboo by those uninterested or who are disbelievers of Ufology and Cryptozoology yet we tend to apply contradictory frames of thought when considering a question of that nature. One frame is consistent with those who disbelieve because there are and will always be hoaxers and snake oil salesmen in the world of UFology and Cryptozoology and it discredits the legitimacy of the high probability they all exist.

I find it ironic the same lines of reasoning we use to discredit what we choose do not believe in are the same lines of reasoning we use to validate what we choose to believe in.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

I suspect the "To the Stars Project" will just be another entertainment franchise in the end. What I'd like to know is what all those scientists on the payroll are really up to?

What 'worries' me in this, as I said before, is the media aspect. What is the task of their video division for instance? Editing the YouTube videos is one thing, creating special effects indistinguishable from real footage is another.

I do believe there will be a time (it won't take that long anymore), making fake footage (with correct physics, lighting, no digital footprint, etc) will be so easy to do and so hard to spot for being a fake, we will be flooded with cr*p footage that many people will swallow for being the real deal. Looking at discussions surrounding current footage that isn't always up to standards, you see this will be a major problem when the videos are even more convincing.

Currently this still requieres 'some budget' and talent which I feel they might as well have.

a reply to: cuckooold

"we are required to pay royalty payments to Tom DeLonge, Mr. Handsome, LLC, and Good In Bed Music, "

Seriously, how can anyone take this guy seriously..

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Willtell

The French sanctioned the COMETA report.

The British had the Condign Report and before that things like the Flying Saucer Working Party many years ago.

I am fairly sure the Latin American nations have had their own surveys and Australia, New Zealand and Canada have all released documents on UFO investigations.

But the problem you always have is people are poor observers of things they can't make sense of and our technology is not infallible. Add to that the poisoning of the evidence by IC agents, UFOtainers and radio show hosts and you have a right royal mess to sort the wheat from the chaff.

In particular JV loved reports from South America..I think they were more "pure".

but there, people see "goat blood suckers", etc, and not necessarily "UFOs". That's becuase
of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man effect. You tend to see what you expect to see.. want
to see.

In America, we are saturated with UFO twaddle and Sci Fi.

So of course we see UFOs.. not to mention there are probably more planes
and aircraft / low earth orbit spacecraft & possibly actual Decoy stuff
for specific Psy Ops.

But in deep, dark, South America in the middle of nowhere.. they aren't so
saturated.. so they see local mythological things.

The "things" I saw bore no similarities to any encounters I've about, books I've read, movies I've watched or pictures I've seen. This event stood on it's own and as far as I can recall, (knowing full well that the human brain is unreliable and easily influenced) my perception of this event was uninfluenced by any ufo culture, pop culture.... any culture. I couldn't have imagined this if I tried.
One of the things I DID think of afterwards is the sound of the bull roarer and the stories of the dreamtime's rainbow serpent seemed eerily similar to my experience and the area it happened is super sacred to the aboriginal people... Maybe they've seen this thing before??

originally posted by: Whatsthisthen
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear



I never speak of others as if I know them intimately. But I'll let it pass because you are not far off the mark.

I added an edit to my post above, read it.

Yes it is lonely out here and by nature I am not a hermit. I have no future nor home but the one I make for myself. That is my responsibility.

I look back at the world I left and see that perhaps I may make a difference, so I try to do so even with the knowledge that I may fail and die as a result. The Great Deception is a hostile thing that maintains itself.

A hate filled hermit wallowing in self pity and an adept hiding in a nirvana of enlightenment are both the same; useless when it comes to helping others.

At least I try to make a difference.

Awesome post.... So true in my mind what you've written here. Happy survival day fellow Aussie.