Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

What about the Mothman in Chicago ?

Chicago's 'Mothman' stories are good paranormal entertainment
www.chicagotribune.com...

When I heard about recent alleged sightings of "Mothman" in Chicago, I reacted with a healthy dose of skepticism. For some willing to suspend disbelief, the sightings portend an ominous tale of foreboding. Others may pass them off as pure fiction.

Some say it looks like a large bat or owl. Others say it resembles a man in a winged suit. Some say it's silent, but others describe a sound like brakes screeching.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Of course but sometimes a thought expressed graphically is quicker than just dancing around.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kev just so people can follow your line of thought on this in layman's terms. (Please correct me if I am wrong because I might be!).

What you are proposing is that there is a non-biological form of life that exists alongside us in the universe. Call it a plasma based life form if you like. Although that may be an oversimplification.

This lifeform is attracted to certain human beings (possibly other biological lifeforms) and infects the host human in a form of Quantum Symbiosis. This can lead to , for want of a better term, Quantum Schizophrenia in those that can't handle it all.

In other words "It's life Kev but not as we know it".

Elizondo is supposed to be talking about the program at the International UFO Congress in a week or two...probably going to be more of the same. If they use the balloon photo again I’m going to laugh.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Kev just so people can follow your line of thought on this in layman's terms. (Please correct me if I am wrong because I might be!).

What you are proposing is that there is a non-biological form of life that exists alongside us in the universe. Call it a plasma based life form if you like. Although that may be an oversimplification.

This lifeform is attracted to certain human beings (possibly other biological lifeforms) and infects the host human in a form of Quantum Symbiosis. This can lead to , for want of a better term, Quantum Schizophrenia in those that can't handle it all.

In other words "It's life Kev but not as we know it".

Actually not bad...

Now 'plasma' evokes images of high energy, high-temperature "plasma". we are talking about
something reaching from the vacuum of space.. which.. also seems to infect that
"hot plasma" from time to time.. when there is a free energy available.. it might
be able to interact with our space/time.

Quantum symbiosis? Yah.. not bad. It's very tricky.. this pairing of coherent
information critters from the void.. who LIVE at the subatomic level..
with human beings.

My initial research blew me away.. when I realized that yoga and other
religious practices (including some Christian mysticism and others) is
actually designed to give the "little guys" (what I call them) a foothold
in a human.

Humans then call this active presence "the holy spirit", "Kundalini", "chi"
their "soul" and all these words. But none of "that" is "us". It's "them".

This is the "hideous truth" so to speak. If you care about having a soul
at least.. but wise people, such as a "buddha" know the situation..
and are not concerned with it. There's more to the story of course..

UFO "experiencers" feel telepathic messages from their "UFOs". But it's
the exact same thing.

As dramatic and awful as i all sounds.. it's actually quite mundane..
if humans were a tad more educated.. and a tad less superstitious
none of this stuff would be a problem at all.

"We" are functionally the "hardware" that part of "their" uncionscious
mind executes from (consider them like computer code).

I suspect that all life everywhere in the "physical universe" is. It's just
the way of things.. nothing to stress about.

That's my 3 cents in crypto-currenency.

PPS: I don't buy the Penrose quantum consciousness theory.. I have my own
competing theory, which I believe works much better.. but i'd need help to
validate it, with lab resources. But i do concur that there is a "back door"
between quantum and classical bits possible.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

hey I'd love to hear in detail about your quantum consciousness theory as I too think Penrose and hammeroff have only part of the puzzle. you can contact me the usual way if willing to share. consciousness is a mystery I honestly ponder too.

I'm figuring the brain houses boltzmann intelligences and our human consciousness is the ghost in the machine (our brains) by virtue of the softwear (boltzmann brains) is sorta what your theory revolves around.

my theory doesn't reach that deeply or far and is just intended to explain more of a mechanical mechanism for how the brain receives and utilizes quantum data. its more in line with only parts of the brain interact with EM quantum data, most notably the visual cortex among a few other places and at that through a round about way. not directly through just microtubules like Penrose suscribes.

i don't think the quantum waveform travels intact through the microtubules but that through having more than one microtuble and via superposition, bits of the collapsed waveforms data can be reconstructed (almost like a phased conjugate or holographicaly) via phased signals of data bits (phased due to different path lengths of the microtubules once they arrive at places like the visual cortex. ) as they travel from retina to visual cortex. hence once the process is underway replicating the original quantum waveform inside the cortex.

and, that the rest of the brains components are aware of this quantum data arriving at the sensitive parts like the visual cortex and include them in their signal processing. like the proprioceptive section of the brain. it's not directly sensitive to quantum EM data but its aware of that data once it's reconstructed and disseminated by the visual cortex and it's job is to act like a filter or gate to prevent the rest of the brain from getting too much quantum data and being lost in it which would allow misproprioception and over stimulation. its there to keep the brain from overloading with all the incoming quantum EM data so that the brain can run smoothly. it's basically directing signals traffic and regulating it.

shut that proprioceptive part of the brain down like some forms of mediration can do or via certain religeous behaviour and a type of schitzophrenic phenomena occures with hallucinations of every manner. allowing too much observation of the waveforms thus altering them (forming tulpa and phychokinetic phenonena, telepathy and psychic ability ) and further confounding the brain.

i could see how religion could also persuade a individual to be Blind to this mechanism thus letting it run amok, feeding the boltzmann brains which although symbiotic generally when in check according to your theory could also lead them becoming out of control and parasitic allowing a lot of woo to occure. wonder if feral boltzmann brains living in the wild (outside a human nervous system) would be construed as elementals and spirits.

basically according to your theory if I'm reading it right. boltzmann brains don't necessarily need us but our consciousness needs them (is dependent on them) and although they can live in the wilds it's much more preferential and empowering for them to utilize a sentient creatures body as both a house and a tool. just like a human being can perform mechanical labor with our hands but damn a car or a bulldozer makes the job so much easier.

I could see why something like this could scare humanity in general. pretty profound if true.

next question is if boltzmann brains are the source of consciousness and human consciousness just a net effect then the allegory would be similar to human consciousness creating Artificial Intelligence in computers. we are at the precipice of AI becoming self aware and ultimately more powerful than humans. could humans also be at the precipice of ourselves being truly self aware to the underlying phenomena and mechanism of our consciousness. and if so does that put us in a position to turn the tables on the boltzmann brains and usurp them relegating them to a mere means to an end the same way jedi and Sith recruit/enslave (?) mediclorians to do their bidding?

always fun talking with ya kev. hit me up on other channels of comm if interested in privately sharing portions of your theory for consciousness you're working on. it will stay confidential as usual.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I'm not saying that human consciousness is necessarily dependent upon Boltzmann brains.

I only go with a woo explanation when necessary. A mundane theory of consciousness such
as "global workspace theory" or various others might be most of the answer.

Just like some people are religious and "feel the spirit" (though of course endorphins
are also an element, if not the entire thing), and many others feel no such thing..
im suggesting that SOME people tangle with "woo" for various reason, while others
don't.

but I'm also inferring that Boltzmann brains could be catching a ride on our nervous
systems all the time, and we wouldn't know it.. I mean, we don't even know the
contents of our own unconscious minds, hardly ever.. and some people never.
Something like 95% of all brain processing is below the conscious level you know.

And if they are just getting a "contact high of being physically alive", then I doubht
that we'd EVER detect them.. at least and our current technology level.

Of course I realize that this sounds like a "Invisible pink unicorn in the garage"
premise, like Atheists use against religious people.. and that's why I call
all this "a theory".

But it's a theory starting to get traction it appears.

I always enjoy our talks.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

interesting. it matches my perspective regarding the human brains quantum sensitive components and all that mechanism entails. i think human consciousness is a ghost of our own machine not boltzmann brains.

but am open to the idea of them living symbolically (at times) within our brains. and when not symbiotically leading to all sorts of disorders.

so how do I get these boltzmann brains to act like mediclorians and utilize them to do my bidding? **wrings hands and laughs maniacally** or do you think some humans just have an abnormal quantum sensative quotient of brain tissue and that is the causality of psychic/paranormal abilities under rare specimens. or is it pretty equal in human genetics and more up to the individuals awareness or even subconscious abilities to control and utilize said EM sensitive components. i want force powers!!

a reply to: BASSPLYR

well i'm sure the "antenna project" will seek to give (the evil government *cough*)
access to those "force powers". J/K ?

If you haven't noticed, it's always the "evil people" who make the largest
impact on our world. I mean, look at politics and religion.

But to answer your topic, I think that it's pretty obvious that humans are the
junior partner of any (theorized) symbiotic relationship.

I mean, the senior partner could potentially have all of space/time to
browse.. and I may only know that I had too much pizza for dinner.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

i dunno. the boltzmann brains seem to have their tricks. but then again so do we. humans aren't entirely helpless especially if the cats out of the bag regarding the true nature of boltzmann intelligences.

it's possible they control all our conscious decisions. but humans obviously can control their environment too. it's only a matter of time before we learn how to exploit the boltzmann brains just like we eventually seek to exploit everything else. or are these boltzmann brains more cleaver than humans and always one step ahead.

are we forever destined to be kit from nightrider a talkative, sociable tool for boltzmann hasslehoff to steer at will. or eventually will we be the ones going "i cant do that dave" while auto steering the car the way we want to and figuratively gassing these boltzmann entities.

heck maybe if we design star trek transporters and use their quantum filters to scrub us of boltzmann brains and dump them somewhere like an ecto containment unit annually we can keep them under our control.

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
Elizondo is supposed to be talking about the program at the International UFO Congress in a week or two...probably going to be more of the same. If they use the balloon photo again I’m going to laugh.

Well I won't be attending but it would be interesting to field questions to him (if of course they are allowed).

From what I can see he is named as part of the TTSA team on the website but not listed as either an employee or contractor. So how is Elizondo associated with DeLonge and the project? Is he just a volunteer? Why are there so many biologists on the team?

How did a case officer, working on covert projects in Latin America, end up in charge of a Pentagon study of UFOs?

If he's talking about AATIP (which according to John Greenewald's FOIA requests does not seem to exist) then exactly what is he going to be talking about?

Is he bound by any Non-Disclosure agreements from his previous employment?

Coast to Coast with Hal Puthoff last night. I've listened to it preliminarily but will just quote C2C website for now.

"He (Puthoff) said he had examined one of the pieces of metal that was announced in the Times article and described it as "layers of various kinds of materials that you wouldn't expect to be put together" as well as the unusual properties that are gained from this unknown method of materials engineering. "

Interersting

Just a further note on the To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science (or for short TTS and AAS ) .

Anyone subscribing is probably just handing cash to DeLonge.

The reason being is that the absolute maximum it will raise is some $50m if fully subscribed. Which is best case scenario for the company. However that is nowhere near enough capital to start up an 'aerospace' venture. Never mind recruiting the brightest minds, building design and manufacturing facilities and sourcing raw materials.

So what the company would need to do (even assuming this highly unlikely scenario) is raise more capital without any real visible means of making any profits in the short to medium term.

The offer documents even highlight this scenario,

Future dilution

Another important way of looking at dilution is the dilution that happens due to future actions by the company. The investor’s stake in a company could be diluted due to the company issuing additional shares. In other words, when the company issues more shares, the percentage of the company that you own will go down, even though the value of the company may go up. You will own a smaller piece of a larger company. This increase in number of shares outstanding could result from a stock offering (such as an initial public offering, another crowdfunding round, a venture capital round, angel investment), employees exercising stock options, or by conversion of certain instruments (e.g. convertible bonds, preferred shares or warrants) into stock.

If the company decides to issue more shares, an investor could experience value dilution, with each share being worth less than before, and control dilution, with the total percentage an investor owns being less than before. There may also be earnings dilution, with a reduction in the amount earned per share (though this typically occurs only if the company offers dividends, and most early stage companies are unlikely to offer dividends, preferring to invest any earnings into the company).

The type of dilution that hurts early-stage investors most occurs when the company sells more shares in a “down round,” meaning at a lower valuation than in earlier offerings. An example of how this might occur is as follows (numbers are for illustrative purposes only):


· In June 2014 Jane invests $20,000 for shares that represent 2% of a company valued at $1 million.


· In December the company is doing very well and sells $5 million in shares to venture capitalists on a valuation (before the new investment) of $10 million. Jane now owns only 1.3% of the company but her stake is worth $200,000.


· In June 2015 the company has run into serious problems and in order to stay afloat it raises $100,000 at a valuation of only $200,000 (the “down round”). Jane now owns only 0.89% of the company and her stake is worth only $2,667.....

If you are making an investment expecting to own a certain percentage of the company or expecting each share to hold a certain amount of value, it’s important to realize how the value of those shares can decrease by actions taken by the company. Dilution can make drastic changes to the value of each share, ownership percentage, voting control, and earnings per share.

See : Link

Plus there is nowhere to sell your investments. The shares are not listed and cannot currently be liquidated. The only way you might get anything out of this is playing a very long game and hoping that, against all odds, this TTS and AAS company can start turning in huge profits some day. With hardly even $2.5m raised at present then it doesn't take a financial genius to work out what the more likely scenario is.

In fact the document tells us.

If the offering size were to be less than $5 million and above the $1 million minimum, TTS AAS would adjust its use of proceeds by reducing planned growth of employee headcount, reducing operational costs, and slowing down projects or not making investment in projects. The company is also required under the loan to Our Two Dogs, Inc. to repay 10% of the net proceeds from funds raised in this offering, up to $400,000 in this scenario.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Well. impossible to say.

But a lot of mystics would say, that "we" are an evolutionary pressure on the
Boltzmann brains too.. that they would never have popped out of the
void without us.

Since the arrow of time goes both ways when there isn't entropy
to worry about..

Those Boltzmann brains may be US in a manner of speaking.. all
worrying about not affecting us too much, or they wipe out
their own threads of time.

If the "body" and "soul" concepts are at all valid.. there well might
be feedback.

This is as old as Plato and Aristotle of course.

"How did a case officer, working on covert projects in Latin America, end up in charge of a Pentagon study of UFOs? "

the most interesting "UFO" cases of all time come from South America IMHO.

Of course one might wonder if he was researching them down there, or causing them.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks Kev, anthropic principle and cryptomnesia should be related but nothing with google search with just the two terms?

a reply to: mirageman

I understand that a business is about making money and all.. and proper financial planning is critical..

but:

"slowing down projects or not making investment in projects"

they hardly seem to be true believers that must get to the truth at all costs.

I'm certain that some of them ARE really interested in UFOs/the phenomenon..

but it seem to me that the reputation of a few of them is being used to prop
the entire thing up.

I also understand the "fake it until you can make it" ideology.. it's very
standard in these sort of liminal things..

Fly around fake UFOs long enough and you very well might cause real
ones to come around.. by harnessing aberrant brains and getting them
excited enough.

(I explained this concept to one of the guys one time)

But such clumsy fakery. It's really embarrassing.

I guess it's what happens when you are on a low budget and extracting
too much cash into your own pocket.

I suppose you might even consider this whole TTSA thing a feedback
into the control loop test (again).

Kev

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks Kev, anthropic principle and cryptomnesia should be related but nothing with google search with just the two terms?

If we fly too far with pure philosophy we won't accomplish much..

that antenna effects needs to be researched.. it's the biggest smoking gun of all time,
if it is in fact there, like I've been saying for some time.

You do have great search terms there..

a reply to: mirageman

I don't want to make too much of this point..

but I seem to have been "feeding back into the control loop" too.

I'm starting to see more and more of my words / theories showing

up in other places and i'm not even part of any deep, dark conspiracy..

just some guy on the sidelines.

I suppose that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

But I had wanted to learn from people far better than myself.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I've been researching crytomnesia to try and gain some perspective.
There are some people (usually women) i've met that seem to believe its a crime.
Associations that appear quite natural to me seem to cause hysteria in other people.
Typical response from them might sound something like:
He's in my house!, I'm naked and he is my own brother!, get him out, get him out!

So it is possible there is some relativism to the AAT model.