Trump should respond to North Korea's ICBM launch

a reply to: intrptr


The independent UN assessment backed by several independent nations has drawn a different conclusion. NK was referred to the International Criminal Court for crimes against humanity - not the US. You've got that backwards.

You did however once again deflect. So you're justifying NK's demonstrable abuses/crimes against some murky and self-invented concept that make us out as the bad guys?

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: JBurns

But why would we? Can you please explain to me why in his most incoherent dreams would 'rocket man' ever lob a nuke at us? Exactly what would he expect to gain from that? He might be crazy, he might be nuts, but he is no Trump..

A Launch is detected from North Korea. You’ve determined it's on a trajectory to the continental U.S. You have 38 minutes till it reaches the West Coast and 41 minutes before it reaches D.C.
What do you do?

You’ve already acknowledged he might be crazy and nuts.

Thats where we are from our great diplomacy over 3 Administrations.

Odds are Kim un Jon will attempt something like that at the Continental U.S. or Guam or Hawaii.

Is it armed with a Nuke or not?

a reply to: pavil

We have faced this decision for ages this isn't new. It still doesn't explain what rocket man would have to gain by lobbing a nuke our way.

a reply to: JBurns

The independent UN assessment backed by several independent nations has drawn a different conclusion.

The uN looks the other way all the time. That organization is hardly independent or representative of one nation, one vote.

It was hijacked from the get go when they formed the "Security Council" the super powers council that makes the decisions.

Palestine, looks the other way.

Ukraine, Iraq, Libya, Syria, gives carte blanche for NATO to destroy other nations with no just cause.

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: pavil

We have faced this decision for ages this isn't new. It still doesn't explain what rocket man would have to gain by lobbing a nuke our way.

Why did he launch multiple rockets near or over Japan? He will want to prove he can. Even if there is no nuke, it will still force us to respond. If this were an ordinary country his Generals or Legislature would rein him in. This is North Korea.

Out of China, Pakistan, India, Russia or North Korea, who is most likely to launch a missile towards U.S. territory in 2017?

What do we do when that happens?

originally posted by: Ohanka
Attacking North Korea guarantees a response from North Korea. Not a test either.

Should China or Russia attack America when America test launches it's Minuteman Missiles? It last tested them in August this year.

I think not.

When America tests a missile, it doesn't threaten to engulf NK in a sea of flame. Kind of puts people on edge.

a reply to: JBurns

it would be an appropriate counter-demonstration of force.

I'm not so sure we really need to demonstrate our force.

a reply to: JBurns

Naval blockage and interdiction is next. After that, NK is removed.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Again, while war is not the preferred option, it's looking more like the military option would be the most prudent course to take. I don't want to see anyone die. What I do want is for Lil' Kim to be brought to his knees and his WMD's eliminated.

Kim has been asking for war for a very long time.

He won't listen to reason.

He is a ruthless dictator who thinks of no one but himself. Imho even his own wife and children are at risk. If he's had countless people murdered in especially brutal ways - including other relatives - what about those closest to him?

So are we supposed to let the tyrant run amok and perfect his wmd's, including chemical and bio weapons?

I'm wondering how many sanctions will it take for Kim to come to the realisation that his efforts are futile? How much diplomacy? So far we've done both for a very long time and he's just getting worse.

I get that the people of North Korea, South Korea, Japan, et al have much to lose should this turn into an all-out war. But Kim insists on taking the world along his dark path. Something's got to be done before one of his "tests" turn into a real attack.

The longer we wait to take action, the worse the outcome.

I don't know how else to put it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: JBurns
What other alternative do you see coming from this?

President I Make the Best Deals, The Best, needs to use his mad deal making skillz on China to get them to defuse North Korea. China has the economic clout with the North Koreans to effect policy, not us, since they are pretty much the only nation trading with North Korea in a meaningful way.

But he did. He politely asked China to please stop sending them oil.

Which they ignored.

But I'm sure it's all part of a brilliant strategy that absolutely, positively, yuugely will not end up in millions dead.

a reply to: redhorse Stop all imports from foreign lands then watch their collapse....
China cant keep supporting north Korea if they cant get their own support they need to survive, it will be far greater, far more violent, far more starvation as they are ripped from the American tit of consumption.

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: JBurns

it would be an appropriate counter-demonstration of force.

I'm not so sure we really need to demonstrate our force.

That's generally what the weak do. See: Lil Kim.

originally posted by: redhorse
Which they ignored.

Ignoring him really isn't the end result of someone making the best deal, the best, is it? Maybe he needs to make his even bestest deal.

originally posted by: madenusa
Stop all imports from foreign lands then watch their collapse....

How do you propose to close the North Korean/Chinese and North Korean/Russian borders?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Border problems?
Pfft. Build a wall, of course.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


They will not stop trade, the un is not going to punish them either it’s a facade.

Here are the sides in a nutshell North Korea, ussr I I wrote it, and China.

Vs

South Korea our puppet state, Japan our puppet state and USA.

Don’t expect trump making any friends either he is working on pissing off all NATO countries as well, after his latest twitter post from the UK 🇬🇧 I am not sure how happily the brits will come to our aid.... the Philippines will not help us either they are already pissed at us.


Diplomatically we are getting our asses handed to us at the moment.

Their will be no coalition ...

a reply to: dianajune
Then why push for war?
It is a lose/lose situation for the USA, if the USA does a military strike against North Korea.
Here is how it runs down: The USA launches a preemptive strike against North Korea, effectively ending the armistice that has been in place since the 1950’s. South Korea and what US troops that are present take the brunt of the initial strike by North Korea as they roll right on over the DMZ. As this was a first strike by the USA, it means that China now gets involved, as it will not tolerate such against an ally, and starts to supply arms, equipment, to North Korea, along with mobilizing its troops. Russia moves assets into the area, as to protect its interest.
Russia will also send arms and equipment to North Korea, along with China. North Korean allies will start to mobilize as well to attack US interests around the world, in an effort to stop the USA. There will be shortages starting in essential things, like say oil travelling out of the middle east, through the straits of Hormez.

Now in the mean time, the US has to thus move more assets to support South Korea, only to be met on the high seas by China, that is going to push back, starting a far bigger conflict. US allies who could join in, would be far more hesitant to get involved with a country that just started a major war, and one where at least 2 to 3 parties have nuclear weapons. Japan by this time frame will start to get hammered by missiles and other ordinances being launched at it, devastated the western coast of its country, up and down the entire island nation.

And all that with in the first month. And all the while the death toll going up, as the individual North Korean citizen, will be out for blood and will be fully mobilized to back the military, every man, woman and child, of all ages. The entire country on the march, and the enemy would be looked at as being South Korea and the USA. And the North Korean’s goal for victory would be to have a reunified Korea, with the south under its control 100%, followed by the pacification of those that would cause problems for the north.

And all the while, the people of the USA, a significant portion of the population will not agree to such and thus will not aid in this, thus causing more problems for the US in conducting a war.

So tell me again how a military strike would be useful? 1 million standing army all armed to the teeth with nothing to lose against a country with everything to lose, and both backed by a superpower, however the north’s backers are a lot closer than the south’s.

Now the only way that this would turn out bad for North Korea, is that Kim Jong Un, would have to have a first strike against another country. China is not going to sit idly by, if North Korea starts the war, then China may go in and stop it from within and pursue for peace, stating that they are handling it. If we start it, then China is on the side of North Korea.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: dianajune
Then why push for war?
It is a lose/lose situation for the USA, if the USA does a military strike against North Korea.
Here is how it runs down: The USA launches a preemptive strike against North Korea, effectively ending the armistice that has been in place since the 1950’s. South Korea and what US troops that are present take the brunt of the initial strike by North Korea as they roll right on over the DMZ. As this was a first strike by the USA, it means that China now gets involved, as it will not tolerate such against an ally, and starts to supply arms, equipment, to North Korea, along with mobilizing its troops. Russia moves assets into the area, as to protect its interest.
Russia will also send arms and equipment to North Korea, along with China. North Korean allies will start to mobilize as well to attack US interests around the world, in an effort to stop the USA. There will be shortages starting in essential things, like say oil travelling out of the middle east, through the straits of Hormez.

Now in the mean time, the US has to thus move more assets to support South Korea, only to be met on the high seas by China, that is going to push back, starting a far bigger conflict. US allies who could join in, would be far more hesitant to get involved with a country that just started a major war, and one where at least 2 to 3 parties have nuclear weapons. Japan by this time frame will start to get hammered by missiles and other ordinances being launched at it, devastated the western coast of its country, up and down the entire island nation.

And all that with in the first month. And all the while the death toll going up, as the individual North Korean citizen, will be out for blood and will be fully mobilized to back the military, every man, woman and child, of all ages. The entire country on the march, and the enemy would be looked at as being South Korea and the USA. And the North Korean’s goal for victory would be to have a reunified Korea, with the south under its control 100%, followed by the pacification of those that would cause problems for the north.

And all the while, the people of the USA, a significant portion of the population will not agree to such and thus will not aid in this, thus causing more problems for the US in conducting a war.

So tell me again how a military strike would be useful? 1 million standing army all armed to the teeth with nothing to lose against a country with everything to lose, and both backed by a superpower, however the north’s backers are a lot closer than the south’s.

Now the only way that this would turn out bad for North Korea, is that Kim Jong Un, would have to have a first strike against another country. China is not going to sit idly by, if North Korea starts the war, then China may go in and stop it from within and pursue for peace, stating that they are handling it. If we start it, then China is on the side of North Korea.

This is correct. Not to mention, he did not even mention the wild card in this war. Tactical nukes on the battlefield. No one can guess or predict where that would up. If we put North Korea on the ropes they would use their nukes, vice versa. That will piss allot of people off. What’s scary thou is this is the closest position “position” has ever been for that to happen...

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: madenusa
Stop all imports from foreign lands then watch their collapse....

How do you propose to close the North Korean/Chinese and North Korean/Russian borders?

Not close the borders just stop our buying and trading....it would be ruff we would have to support ours first.
Open jobs for all American made products ,factories building from the ground up. The economy could start again but
not with imports.
"self reliant"... as generations before us had
A new recession would result.
But in the long run, say 15-20 years from now, the American economy will get more benefit than any of the other economies in the world if we ban Chinese imports today...
Lot of local manufacturing factories would be coming up in the outskirts of the cities.
Unemployment will drastically go down
jobs abound,the new home sells, new car sells, greater export to other countries.
we would have another boomer generation coming up.
Imagine the city of Detroit becoming double its size in next 5 years
Welcome to wonderland where everyone has a job, a car and a home.
It’s not about Amazon, Wal-Mart or Target, it’s about us who made these stores stack goods from countries like China.

originally posted by: madenusa
Not close the borders just stop our buying and trading....it would be ruff we would have to support ours first.
Open jobs for all American made products ,factories building from the ground up. The economy could start again but
not with imports.
"self reliant"... as generations before us had
A new recession would result.
But in the long run, say 15-20 years from now, the American economy will get more benefit than any of the other economies in the world if we ban Chinese imports today...

I think your understanding of our economy vis a vis the Chinese economy is deeply flawed.

You are not cutting ties with our major trading partner (and this trade flows both ways) and expect to have people satisfied with a 15-20 year period when what the American citizen is used to buying and/or selling from/to China is no longer available just to satisfy some fetishized war craze.