Trump should respond to North Korea's ICBM launch

a reply to: madenusa


We have to pay our debt off to China, first... they hold the trump cards at the moment.. allot more to the politics and diplomacy in this story, than what we see..


We owe, China, about a trillion dollars you see, you bet your ass that has plight in Korea actions right now..

originally posted by: Bicent
We have to pay our debt off to China, first... they hold the trump cards at the moment.. allot more to the politics and diplomacy in this story, than what we see..

The amount of debt we owe China is miniscule compared to what we owe ourselves. And actually we hold the trump cards on their debt, they need us to pay it.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

A 15-20 year recession? No problem, man.

The last one lasted what, 7-8 years. It was a breeze. Sure, a lot of people were jobless and stuff but so what? Methinks we would be hurt by such action more than China would.

originally posted by: Phage
A 15-20 year recession? No problem, man.

I'm beginning to wonder if people actually think about what they plan on saying before typing it out.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yep we have to keep trading with them...

Have you seen a trillion dollars? It’s enough, to fight over.

originally posted by: Bicent
Yep we have to keep trading with them...

Considering they are the single nation with the highest export amount from the United States I would say so as well.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I hear ya point taken.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: JBurns

But why would we? Can you please explain to me why in his most incoherent dreams would 'rocket man' ever lob a nuke at us? Exactly what would he expect to gain from that? He might be crazy, he might be nuts, but he is no Trump..

A Launch is detected from North Korea. You’ve determined it's on a trajectory to the continental U.S. You have 38 minutes till it reaches the West Coast and 41 minutes before it reaches D.C.
What do you do?

You’ve already acknowledged he might be crazy and nuts.

Thats where we are from our great diplomacy over 3 Administrations.

Odds are Kim un Jon will attempt something like that at the Continental U.S. or Guam or Hawaii.

Is it armed with a Nuke or not?

Why would Kim launch only one nuke at the US?
That sounds like suicide for Kim.
If we attacked North Korea, would we only launch one missile at them?

I think we need to mind our own business and tell the warmongering globalists to piss off.

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: pavil

We have faced this decision for ages this isn't new. It still doesn't explain what rocket man would have to gain by lobbing a nuke our way.

Why did he launch multiple rockets near or over Japan? He will want to prove he can. Even if there is no nuke, it will still force us to respond. If this were an ordinary country his Generals or Legislature would rein him in. This is North Korea.

Out of China, Pakistan, India, Russia or North Korea, who is most likely to launch a missile towards U.S. territory in 2017?

What do we do when that happens?

Which direction should they test their long range missiles?
Have a look at a map and you will see going over the narrowest part of Japan, which they did is the quickest route to open sea.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

The North Korean Military has been purged of any leadership that can think, execute and fight on the fly without direction from above. I don't see them mounting much in the way of mobile attack southward. Their airforce and armor are outdated and their troops for the most part poorly trained and supplied. Their only strengths are their huge well trained special ops and the amt of artillery they have. The U.S. and their allies will dominate the skies.

A antiquated Soviet era doctrine has proven pitiful in todays fluid modern warfare time and time again. It would be the same story again unless Pyongyang uses chemical or bio attacks. They cant win a conventional engagement.

Again, hopefully there is a solution that doesnt have to resort to the deaths of many on both sides.

a reply to: jacobe001

You dance around the question. You are willing to let NK have Nuclear ICBMs. If they were to launch 4 at once at Guam or the West Coast, what would be your response? That was their plan a few months ago.

I don't want war, but NK has walked down this path. They need to change their path.

a reply to: pavil

Bombs and lots of them, I would not sue for peace until North Korea was flat. I would not use a single nuke either, leaving North Korea the only country to use a nuke since 45 would gain support and help from the World. Yet North Korea, is not going to do that... its suicide...

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: jacobe001

You dance around the question. You are willing to let NK have Nuclear ICBMs. If they were to launch 4 at once at Guam or the West Coast, what would be your response? That was their plan a few months ago.

I don't want war, but NK has walked down this path. They need to change their path.

If they launch 1,4 or 10, then we defend ourselves then and take them out.
The loss of life would be great but the loss of life will be greater if we start it first as has been pointed out to many times already.

If the warmongers in DC start it first and get millions killed, I would not be surprised to see DC burned to the ground.


What this really is about is not that Kim will launch nukes, but that the Globalists do not want North Korea at the negotiating
table that all other nuclear powers enjoy.

Well, that is water over the bridge.
The Globalists did not want Russia to have a seat at that table either but fortunately cool heads prevailed.

And I thought I was a hawk over North Korea and its weapons. However like other posters this really isn't a good idea and might trigger a war no one really wants. A better idea is to get Japan to tell North Korea that there will be no more missiles fired over its territory. To do so will be considered a deliberate and intentional act of war to which they will respond. We might be able to assist them in shooting down any such missile launches.

If they insist on testing more missiles they can shoot them over Russia as their buddies and pals.

This is one situation where if war does start it will be over quickly and the causalities will as experts say run into the millions. I don't think though it will go inter-theater and become WWIII. My best,

a reply to: pavil

You keep bringing up the same silly example.

1. How is this a different situation than we face every single day with nuclear armed powers.
2. What exactly would North Korea expect to accomplish with that? The entire world would denounce them and nothing we did to them would be questioned. The entire world would be forced to response if we were attached unprovoked.

a reply to: pavil

While yes there have been purges in North Korea of some of the military leadership, however, there are enough to take their place and fill the vacancies. You see it is the military that keeps Kim Jong Un in power, and help keep the absolute control over the country. He uses the wealth of the nation like a weapon, and reward, those who please him, tend to get rewarded, while those who displease or are viewed as a threat to him, ultimately are removed from positions.

Their troops are well trained and they keep up the training on a day to day basis, so they are not as poorly trained as many would think. Then again this is an isolated country, not letting many in to look around, and even then it is carefully controlled on what all the outside world sees. Like most countries, they only reveal what they want the rest to think when it comes to military hardware.

If history serves as a reminder, here is the sticking point that should remain in mind: The last time at the point of defeat, China got involved. Any preemptive attack by the US, will be seen as the restarting of the Korean conflict, and in short, an act of war. If the US strikes first, China will get involved. Now there are numbers that I do not believe that the US would be able to handle, and I don't think that the Chinese military is working with antiquated military equipment.

The sanctions may have worked, however, with China providing support it pretty much made any and all sanctions pretty much useless. And North Korea has not been idle, but has been acquiring military equipment, some that is obsolete, but from all indications the obsolete equipment is used in parades, and those that are in service, are often kept back and only seen, during use. And should there be an end of the fragile peace that has been around for all of these years, not by the hand of North Korea, good chance that they are going to get very brand new military equipment from its allies.

The solution, as much as many would not like to hear, is where the US needs to get North Korea back to the table and have China take the lead, and perhaps start giving them a few concessions.

The truth is just for fun & entertainment. THere is no such thing as North Korea this or that, anybody here have proof seen by your own eyes? All the made by the media.

a reply to: JBurns

A couple things. People seem to think this is going to be another gulf war where we can operate at will and hit any target we want. North Korea has very sophisticated SAM installations and other ground-to-air defenses that we have not had to deal with in the Middle East for the most part.

Second, China has come right out and said they would defend NK if they were not the aggressors as per their treaties.

Third, how are are going to afford another war? We've spent trillions of dollars in the Middle East already of money we do not have..

Fourth, our country does not possess the will or the heart to see headlines of tens of thousands of Americans dying overseas like we saw in WWII...

Conclusion... let China deal with their garbage.

Everyone knows a no-fly zone is the endgame. That it needs to be done by the UN to not trigger a reaction against a particular nation.
Even now little Jong's only way to make everyone pay and repent is to nuke some Chinese centers. All the other suicidal options would have a lesser impact.
So softly turning against China would save the nation the face and any future while remaining a sovereign nation.
Not to mention it would make everyone else happy. Of course the army would need to terminate Kim's clan because he's working rather for the Chinese and for his ego cult and he's not that smart.

North Korea's entry into the nuclear armed ICBM club is a step back to an era that many in the world would like to think has passed into history and that is the Cold War. Clearly the Cold War is not over.

The obvious answer to North Korean nuclear initiatives is to rearm Japan. The correct move on the Cold War chessboard is to introduce nuclear armed ICBMs into Japan. Announcements of the intention to do this should be made immediately.

The Trump administration, and any American administration would be very reluctant to do this. In my opinion there is an almost religious taboo in Washington about rearming Japan. When the government doesn't do the obvious rational thing in a situation you can bet that there are obscure, irrational or even crooked reasons for what they do do, or don't do.

A streak of creative fantasy has run through all the policies of the Trump administration. They think that the dynamics of social situations, economic situations and international political situations are like hotel lobbies and can be decorated and effectively presented any way you want. Trump himself, as nutty as he is, is not the originator of this lunatic concept. It was articulated by an official of the George W. Bush administration, who stated that we were now living in a post reality world and could simply create the reality we wanted.

This is insane stuff and indicates the degree to which the fish has begun rotting from the head in the United States.

Wake up America and suggest to the Trump administration that it smell the coffee, realize that whatever North Korea does, China is in on it.

Rearm Japan and be done with it. That is the only sort of sanction that is remotely of interest to China. If that starts to happen, they will do something about that fat greaseball in Pyongyang.