Vegas: Multiple Survivors/Eyewitness Tell of Multiple Shooters at Multiple Casinos

a reply to: KansasGirl

You mean this video, with authorities w/ their guns drawn (and pointed at civilians) while someone carries a briefcase behind them? Not seeing any white sheet or bodies, maybe you saw a diff. version?



ETA - I think you mean this one

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: denybedoomed
Cam anyone confirm how soon after the shooting started that triages were set up? Just thinking out loud here.

As near as I can tell, within minutes. Starting with these guys:

Fire engineer Brian Emery was driving his station's engine back from a call for a minor car crash when hundreds of hysterical people began swarming the vehicle near an outdoor country music festival in Las Vegas.

"Then, suddenly, we heard automatic gunfire," Emery recalled Thursday after his crew became the first to respond to the deadliest shooting in modern American history.

First Responders to Las Vegas Shooting Were There by Chance
Like everything else, the article is vague as vague can be. But it seems that they were driving south on Las Vegas Blvd, returning to the station which is also on Las Vegas Blvd, south of the Mandalay Bay. After being swarmed, they pulled into a nearby parking area, and began to set up a triage staging area. Presuming they were in fact traveling south on LV Blvd, they would probably pull to their right or the west side of the road. I'm think it was probably the triage set up at Excalibur that our own abeverage spoke of in his thread.

And several articles are linked and quoted here which refer to another triage staging area quickly set up outside Hooters, right next door to the Tropicana.

And there's a video from a guy staying at Hooters who came outside just as the first wave of concert-goers are arriving. The camera is facing west from the north-facing front of Hooters, which is the direction people are coming from, with the Tropicana visible in the background, and he points out that the triage will later be set up there... of course he doesn't stick around for it, because about 1m30s in, something causes a panic and he starts running east with the rest of the crowd.

You know what struck me about that video is that at first, everyone was just strolling in. I was imagining people running in, frantic...but no. Those folks were strolling. No screaming, no running. From reports I've read, I just had the impression that people had poured into the Hooters area like mad.

But they were walking calmly, and the only reason people started running was when that ONE guy said "come on lets go." He wasn't even, say, wRning everyone really...sounded like he was just talking to a member of his party or a friend. That's when everyone got spooked.

So I'm thinking he didn't hear gunfire...we'd have heard it. I mean, you could hear the shots from Paddock's room (supposedly) allllllll up and down the strip, right? That's what we are told. All those reports of more than one shooter...it was just Paddock, and the source was from inside one room, 32 floors up.

So, in one way this shows me how easily people were spooked that night.

In another way, it makes me think that these folks who say they heard gunfire at other hotels and casinos REALLY DID hear gunfire at other hotels and casinos.

a reply to: FamCore

...that individual is talking about being at Hooters when the sketchy beefed up black vehicles were pulling up every 6 minutes....

That is interesting! I saw that in his written statement, but it was after the shooting began. Takes on a little more significance that they were coming before the shooting as well. I tried to find anyone else commenting on those black pickups, and didn't find anything. Well maybe that's starting to change, eh?

The more I think about it, the more I suspect this was an undercover meeting that the Feds were watching via those cameras, and they knew before everyone just how wrong this was going to go. According to the comment I quoted, it seems that he left the parking garage around 9:30, getting home a little after 10:00, and hearing from his friends about 15 minutes later. I looked at the hockey team's schedule, and it seems that night games start at 7:00, and usually last about 2 hours? Do we know what time the shooting at Route 91 hit the local news?

I'm not ruling out any shooting at Hooters, for several reasons. But I'm also not doubting that they would and did set up triage there between Hooters and Tropicana. It would seem there must have been some sort of medical response there because of the later reports that the EMTs were being fired upon at the Tropicana. I think we also need to know more about the suspicious guy at Motel 6, on the other side of Hooters, and the claim that police shot someone in the Motel 6 parking lot, including a pic of what may be a sheet over a dead body.

ETA: I was so immersed in the content, I forgot to thank you for adding the video -- shame on me! And thank you!

a reply to: KansasGirl

You know what struck me about that video is that at first, everyone was just strolling in. I was imagining people running in, frantic...but no. Those folks were strolling. No screaming, no running. From reports I've read, I just had the impression that people had poured into the Hooters area like mad.

I don't think that's such a surprise. These folks would probably have to be Olympic grade sprinters to still be running all the way from the Route 91 venue. They probably slowed down once they didn't feel threatened by gunfire any more. Hardly any of these folks went into Hooters at all. They just kept walking east. It was probably those who were wounded, or carrying the wounded, or otherwise helping the wounded, that actually sought shelter at Hooters. And they would have been the last to arrive.

Yeah, they were no doubt spooked. I think it was just coincidental that the guy said "let's go" at the same time people started running. It wasn't because of him. Whatever prompted the panic happened behind him, to the west, and surged toward him. He was filming towards the east at that moment. I doubt he even knew. But there were popping sounds right at the 1m29-30s mark. I don't know if they were gunfire. But they wouldn't have known either. So as you said, they were so easily spooked at this point that if they heard a car backfire or a balloon pop or anything remotely resembling gunfire, they were going to freak! That's understandable.

a reply to: KansasGirl

I watched the link FamCore posted -- sure wish it was clearer.

Someone with the savvy to do so really needs to create an Anonymous Whistleblower Tutorial, including how to document and provide other evidence to substantiate their claim, and give others with the savvy to do so the clues needed to follow up and raise hell in the appropriate ways and quarters. I honestly don't trust anyone enough to recommend for would-be whistleblowers. Not a one.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: KansasGirl

You mean this video, with authorities w/ their guns drawn (and pointed at civilians) while someone carries a briefcase behind them? Not seeing any white sheet or bodies, maybe you saw a diff. version?

ETA: link to source video

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ETA - I think you mean this one

Yes the second one, but would be great if we could link hers and not have yo listen to this guy. In her video she replays in slo-mo several times the part where the suspected body is.


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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: KansasGirl

You know what struck me about that video is that at first, everyone was just strolling in. I was imagining people running in, frantic...but no. Those folks were strolling. No screaming, no running. From reports I've read, I just had the impression that people had poured into the Hooters area like mad.

I don't think that's such a surprise. These folks would probably have to be Olympic grade sprinters to still be running all the way from the Route 91 venue. They probably slowed down once they didn't feel threatened by gunfire any more. Hardly any of these folks went into Hooters at all. They just kept walking east. It was probably those who were wounded, or carrying the wounded, or otherwise helping the wounded, that actually sought shelter at Hooters. And they would have been the last to arrive.

Yeah, they were no doubt spooked. I think it was just coincidental that the guy said "let's go" at the same time people started running. It wasn't because of him. Whatever prompted the panic happened behind him, to the west, and surged toward him. He was filming towards the east at that moment. I doubt he even knew. But there were popping sounds right at the 1m29-30s mark. I don't know if they were gunfire. But they wouldn't have known either. So as you said, they were so easily spooked at this point that if they heard a car backfire or a balloon pop or anything remotely resembling gunfire, they were going to freak! That's understandable.

Right. I wasn't saying that the guy who was filming is the one who said "let's go." To me it looked like a guy who came into the frame at the right was the one who said "let's go." And I do think that his exclamation is what spooked people.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: ipsedixit

One person who was at the concert said that she didn't see how some of the victims who were shot close to the stage could have been shot from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay because they couldn't have been seen, or hit, from that vantage point due to the stage backdrop with its video projection screens. (Those were not her words. She said "the angle", but it is clear what she meant.)

I've wondered about that too -- but just from the pics I've seen, not personal experience. But I had no idea how to confirm or debunk the thought. I might also depend on the shooter's position -- standing, kneeling or prone on the ground.

Perhaps the aiming point was decided some time earlier in the day?

a reply to: KansasGirl

Right. I wasn't saying that the guy who was filming is the one who said "let's go." To me it looked like a guy who came into the frame at the right was the one who said "let's go." And I do think that his exclamation is what spooked people.

Watching it again, I really think something happened behind him. I'm not trying to argue, but I think it's pertinent where and what panicked everyone. Right before he panned to his right (east), while he's filming to his left (west), you can see people looking behind him and some yells and maybe folks start running, but when he pans right again, everyone is looking behind to the west. And then everyone starts surging and running to the east. I wish I could hear what the guy says right before "let's go." He says "____________ let's go!" It might just be someone's name. I don't know. But I'm sure there's something happening behind them because everyone starts looking back right before the panic and the surge. And where they're looking is back between the Tropicana and Hooters, where the triage was set up and the EMTs reported taking gunfire. And there were reports of shooting at the Tropicana as well.

a reply to: Azureblue

Perhaps the aiming point was decided some time earlier in the day?

Yes, that's a good possibility -- maybe even probability. The shooter(s) also had scopes, which would help also of course.

As to this video and why there may be a person on the floor...

I mentioned in my thread About what we experienced during the shooting anyone still left in the casino was made to get down on the floor face down!

We headed to an exit door and I turned around to see a woman lying on the floor and we were yelling at her if she was ok when I believe police coming very fast with guns raised rounded the corner and everyone ran out into the garage.

If this is a person (which it is incredibly difficult to tell) they are face down cause Police are coming right behind them and they did not clear out when they were yelled at to do so...

Has this been posted yet? All the threads are moving too fast for me to keep up with what's been shared to this point.

Schanda Bennett is a blackjack dealer at Hooters. Here is a transcript of how she described what went on inside the night of the shooting:

Schanda Bennett was working last night at the Hooters Casino Hotel in Las Vegas when the shooting started. That casino's close to the concert venue where last night's attack happened. Schanda Bennett is a blackjack dealer. She had two players at her table when the shots started. She says she put the cover on her table and then hid underneath. And then people started running into her casino, people who were running away from the shooting. She described it to me earlier today when I talked to her on the phone.

The video posted above doesn't show people running into Hooters, but maybe that was later?

MCEVERS: How many people do you think - I mean, did you see?

BENNETT: How many people? I saw at least 400 people. How many wounded people? It was at least 70 wounded people. I mean, we had Metro all out in the front. There were people - there were bodies in the front of the casino that was just laying there. People that ran from the venue - they just died right there.

Again, 400 people aren't shown in the video, but she does talk about people coming in and falling on the floor and dying right there. The person in the video lying on the floor could be one of those.

There's a lot more to the interview. You can read it fully here: Hooters Casino Dealer Describes Scene Near Las Vegas Shooting

a reply to: sled735

Thank you for posting the interview! It was actually that interview which inspired me to ask earlier if someone in the casino at Hooters would be able to hear the shooting from Mandalay Bay and think it was close enough to take cover. Or if they were hearing gunfire closer -- perhaps gunfire from the north or the east of the venue. Or perhaps even closer, in tune with the reported shots fired at the Tropicana, or even the Motel 6 to the east of Hooters. It's about 3/4 mile as the crow flies from Mandalay to Hooters. And maybe about half a mile from the northeast corner of the Route 91 venue -- the corner of Reno and Giles. From the videos I've seen, many folks were running north from the venue between buildings to arrive between the Tropicana and Hooters.

Anyway, all this to say, I meant to post that video also and plum forgot! So thank you!!!

Love this thread!!! I live in Vegas and worked that night, I was working in a security control room and it was a very confused scene. I can't say which hotel and casino I work at, "have kids and need my job" but it is one of the ones on this thread. I can say that we never had an active shooter, just a lot of scared guests and employees. LVMPD was on our property with two different strike teams and some were officers that responded to the event while off duty. People may have witnessed LEO's in street clothes with full armor and weapons and didn't know they were police? I don't know what happened at any other casino hotels, but I hope you guys keep looking for answers!!!!

Just came across an interesting article today detailing how ATF and the FBI are assisting in the investigation. Of course the article reeks of an attempt to normalize and justify the heavy FBI involvement. It states that the LVMPD are heading the investigation (which I don't believe for a moment) but more importantly confirms that the FBI will be securing and housing all evidence. Video and surveillance footage is mentioned specifically, which is strange since they "don't have any." Not that any of us had any doubts that the FBI has an iron fist on the whole deal, but here's MSM confirming as much.


"The bureau is collecting video and evidence from private sources, and it will analyze the computer and surveillance system that Stephen Paddock used in his Mandalay Bay suite.

That evidence will be sent to the FBI laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, where the FBI academy is located.

Lombardo said the FBI will be housing “all of that critical information.”



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Looking like the odds of ever seeing any of this stuff shrink by the day. MSM of course has already moved onto the feel good victim recovery stories.

a reply to: sled735

The video posted above doesn't show people running into Hooters, but maybe that was later?

I've been trying to figure that out too. Were there two incidents? The initial scare right after the shooting began and then one later? The lack of specific times (and often locations) in the reporting is maddening -- and I don't think it's on accident.

Again, 400 people aren't shown in the video, but she does talk about people coming in and falling on the floor and dying right there. The person in the video lying on the floor could be one of those.

In the video above, I think we're seeing the first of the concert-goers -- the ones who are uninjured and were able to move quickly. The ones who were injured, and the ones helping the injured, would have taken much longer. And yeah, I'm sure some didn't make it in the end. The concert-goers spanned all generations. I don't doubt that some could have passed from heart attacks even. That kind of scare and then the physical exertion, even without injuries, that would take its toll on some folks.

a reply to: Occam78

The RJ local newspaper has been buttering-up the public ever since Oct 2nd.

originally posted by: Occam78
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The massive investigation prompted the U.S. Justice Department to award Nevada a $1 million grant to address overtime and associated personnel costs.

How sweet of the DOJ! I'm sure the money didn't come with any strings attached.

originally posted by: Pommia
Love this thread!!! I live in Vegas and worked that night...

Thank you! From a local, that vote of confidence means a lot to me. And I'm so glad you made it home safe and sound to be with your family. Whew!

I was working in a security control room and it was a very confused scene. I can't say which hotel and casino I work at, "have kids and need my job" but it is one of the ones on this thread.

Of course -- don't jeopardize your job!!! I understand.

I can say that we never had an active shooter, just a lot of scared guests and employees. LVMPD was on our property with two different strike teams and some were officers that responded to the event while off duty. People may have witnessed LEO's in street clothes with full armor and weapons and didn't know they were police?

Excellent suggestion -- I hate to confess I never even considered that, but it's a very good possibility. In fact, quite likely. As KansasGirl pointed out, once the shooting started, and as word spread, and rumors spread faster, people were spooked. It's almost to be expected that as the good guys with guns started showing up, others wouldn't necessarily recognize them as such. That alone could spook folks already on edge.

I don't know what happened at any other casino hotels, but I hope you guys keep looking for answers!!!!

Thank you for the encouragement

a reply to: Occam78

Wow! Thanks for posting that. Why do I get the feeling they're setting us up for a change in the official story again? Oh! I know:

The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are assisting local investigators who must determine whether the killer acted alone, or whether he was aided in the shooting that killed 58 people and wounded hundreds.

They already told us he acted alone... that's the official story... the lone gunman gone "off his rocker."

Yup. I feel a change in the official story coming