Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

originally posted by: olaru12
They are changing the narrative, time line and persons involved on purpose. They know what really happened but they release fake news reports as a coverup.

It has that sandy hook smell if you ask me.

I said this had many similarities to Newtown a week ago and some didn't understand it...

I suspect that has changed at this time...

originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: sg1642

Second point. If there was a period of time between the guard being hit and the crowd being fired at, could that explain the woman in the crowd who appeared to know what was about to happen?

The guard was shot 6 minutes before the crowd was fired upon.
The woman warning people in the crowd came 45 minutes before the shooting started at the crowd.

I didn't know that. That is strange.

a reply to: soberbacchus

No, what they thought they had was an 'open door'. That is all the security guard was checking on. Thats it. No threats. No gunshots. He was looking into a door ajar....

So....

1. Who called it in as an open door? I cannot see someone staying there doing it so was it from video footage?
2. If that is the case where is the footage.

a reply to: butcherguy

Security Guard shot at 9:59PM, calls it into security.
Paddock starts shooting into the crowd 10:05PM (6 minutes later)
Paddock stops shooting into the crowd around 10:15 (10 minutes later)
Police arrive on the floor outside his room at 10:17
Encounter Campos at 10:18 (some reporting says this is the first they hear that he has been shot)
Police breach the room at 11:20PM and find Paddock dead.

I am not saying no one is at fault, but want to understand timeline.

getting from police station, arriving at a chaotic scene with thousands of people fleeing with bullets raining down and getting into the building and up to the 32nd floor.

At worst it took them 17 to 18 minutes from deployment to arriving outside his door.
If you assume security took a couple minutes to call it in from first shot, then it was around 15 minutes.

Just not sure that LVPD and SWAT were able to move any faster? But do not know.

They obviously were prepping a breach and could have immediately breached if shooting resumed.

Understanding the camera's the shooter deployed, he likely was aware of SWAT arrival and knew any escape potential had evaporated.

a reply to: matafuchs

The door lock system most likely informed of the open door.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: soberbacchus

No, what they thought they had was an 'open door'. That is all the security guard was checking on. Thats it. No threats. No gunshots. He was looking into a door ajar....

I don't think I said otherwise?

So....

1. Who called it in as an open door? I cannot see someone staying there doing it so was it from video footage?
2. If that is the case where is the footage.

the doors have sensors that report doors left ajar.

originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: butcherguy

Security Guard shot at 9:59PM, calls it into security.
Paddock starts shooting into the crowd 10:05PM (6 minutes later)
Paddock stops shooting into the crowd around 10:15 (10 minutes later)
Police arrive on the floor outside his room at 10:17
Encounter Campos at 10:18 (some reporting says this is the first they hear that he has been shot)
Police breach the room at 11:20PM and find Paddock dead.

I am not saying no one is at fault, but want to understand timeline.

getting from police station, arriving at a chaotic scene with thousands of people fleeing with bullets raining down and getting into the building and up to the 32nd floor.

At worst it took them 17 to 18 minutes from deployment to arriving outside his door.
If you assume security took a couple minutes to call it in from first shot, then it was around 15 minutes.

Just not sure that LVPD and SWAT were able to move any faster? But do not know.

Well I was going to make that point. Response times confusion etc could account for the time between him being shot and the police getting there.

Nothing can explain a U-turn such as this on what everyone has been told about the investigation. They have literally changed the entire timeline and sequence of events. That's huge.

originally posted by: Mandroid7
This whole story is off.
This video is floating around now. it shows the singer giving a que, and people running from the gunfire prematurely.
Psyops were legalized by Obama, so good luck prosecuting.

Maybe they heard some of the alleged 200 shots aimed at Campo?

a reply to: matafuchs

But in the same info release they say they had officers checking the 31st floor. If there had been no shots why were the police checking the 31st floor? If they were checking the 31st floor why would a guard be allowed to go past them and check a door ajar alarm on the 32nd before the police had cleared things...and why didn't police start on the 32nd since there was an alarm?

Maybe I'm missing something here but a guy dumps +200 rounds in the hallway of a booked hotel and nobody hears it? Then 6 minutes later starts the actual massacre...where are all the 911 calls from people staying at the hotel?

All this time with no security footage... How easy it will be to recreate the scene and film whatever you want on grainy video

a reply to: RickyD

The officers were checking 31 about 18 minutes after the guard shooting. It tends to indicate the shot man didn't communicate the shooting.

a reply to: roadgravel

And after 200 rounds in the building no one was calling 911...and if he was down on the 32nd for 18min he just stayed up there...didnt try to get down to the lower floor? In 18min no one reported anything and no cops knew a thing about him being shot? But the guy below said he had been complaining about their,music...isn't 200 rounds louder than most hotel party music? Just millions of questions with no logical answers given what we are being told.

Also...I didnt hear anything about the 18min in the press release in fact it seemed like those officers were already there on the 31st the way the made it out in said press conference. You got a source on this,18min?

a reply to: LSU0408

Is the open end of that cartridge laying flat to the floor or is it conical shaped and raised up a bit at the bullet end? It's a .223 round or a .308 round...up off the floor a bit. Look again.

a reply to: FieldCmdrCohen

Rouse.... Or Ruse?
Hmmm

But people do that ALL the time and leave a door open. You do not want to bring your key so you use the latch to keep it open. I have even been drunk and forgot it and not ONCE did I have the hotel contact me.

So, if they had an indication, then maybe someone was watching and after a certain amount of time the Security Guard was dispatched? Still...and open door in a hotel I have never heard causing a security check.

Yes i should have stated IF, as i dont know what to beleive yet either.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: worsaw

He wouldn't be the first person to shoot himself in the chest area.

IF he shot himself anyway.
We don't know, and I am not ready to believe any of what I am hearing from the officials or the MSM.

a reply to: matafuchs

The open door alarm goes off if no one is registered to the room. Its a safegaurd for people who try and sneak in to a room after the maid.

Either way only complicates the story further. His door was open? I thought he was registered. His door was open? I thought he shot through the door.


Another door down the hallway was open? convenient. why would the shooter mess with the security guard if hes checking out another room.

None of it adds up

a reply to: Mandroid7

Actually go to 3:15 to hear the fist single shots and why (smart)people start leaving

a reply to: RickyD

Oops - Only 13 minutes

9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

edit:

The floor should have been known at that point.