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originally posted by: matafuchs
Anyone else notice the 'smudge' on the gun. Well, that looks like a smear or blood on the cylinder. Also closer to the grip. This would be indicative of it being in his mouth when firing, right? I cannot see how, even if standing up, the gun wound up where it is behind him. There is just no way.
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Head wounds are not like movies. Like the Dwyer video. There does not need to be 'brains' on the floor or wall. That was a nice sized handgun Dwyer used but when it fires it can many times not breach the top of the skull. This is why during a 'hit' many times a smaller caliber weapon will be used. It bounces around in the skull.
originally posted by: ChrisM101
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408
I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.
They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.
That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter
originally posted by: Encia22
a reply to: matafuchs
Yes, the gun's position is odd.
A clue may be the faint trail of blood that goes from the gun's butt to the lighter area of the pool of blood.
Is it not common practice for the first officer on the scene to kick away any weapon close to the suspect? Obviously the guy was a corpse, but still, distancing a weapon is an automatic safety precaution in whatever scenario.
Having said that, even if the revolver had been closer to the top of his head, it's still an awkward placing. It would have made better sense if his right arm had been bent up towards the pool of blood (if he was right handed) and not alongside his body.
originally posted by: Encia22
a reply to: matafuchs
Yes, the gun's position is odd.
A clue may be the faint trail of blood that goes from the gun's butt to the lighter area of the pool of blood.
Is it not common practice for the first officer on the scene to kick away any weapon close to the suspect? Obviously the guy was a corpse, but still, distancing a weapon is an automatic safety precaution in whatever scenario.
Having said that, even if the revolver had been closer to the top of his head, it's still an awkward placing. It would have made better sense if his right arm had been bent up towards the pool of blood (if he was right handed) and not alongside his body.
Matthew Donaldson: My initial scan, coming in the room with my rifle is just seein' I'm seeing one male down, bleeding from the face. He was not a threat. Kept going, kept going, kept going.
Bill Whitaker: Said one male down. That was the shooter?
Matthew Donaldson: Yes.
Bill Whitaker: Stephen Paddock?
Bill Whitaker: What were his wounds?
Dave Newton: I didn't see any apparent wounds to his head. But I did see a lotta blood that had come outta his mouth.
Joshua Bitsko: There was-- a bloody revolver I think-- nearby. Nearby him that was on the ground consistent with him shootin' himself.
If accurate, in all fairness, until Paddock started shooting into the crowd, what the security guard and the cops thought they had there was a guy with a gun in a room.
originally posted by: Asktheanimals
originally posted by: ZombieWoof
Why is there blood on the trigger, trigger guard and cylinder of the revolver, yet only a drop or 2 on the frame?
Why is there older, soaked in blood in the carpet with fresh blood on top?
Why is there smeared blood on his right cheek?
Why is there a puddle sitting on TOP of a puddle of blood?
Finally, why is the revolver 4 feet above his head while both his arms are at his side?
How many times has his body been moved?
Two? Three times?
(pistol looks like a Taurus Judge 5 shot .410 shotgun/.45 long colt)
I think I see two different lengths of brass on the floor as well.
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: ChrisM101
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408
I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.
They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.
That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter
You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.
ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt
originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: ChrisM101
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408
I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.
They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.
That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter
You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.
ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt
Here's a thought: If Paddock had been dead for a while before the gun was put in his mouth and the trigger pulled, might that explain the thick syrup-like consistency of the blood in the photo?
originally posted by: sg1642
Second point. If there was a period of time between the guard being hit and the crowd being fired at, could that explain the woman in the crowd who appeared to know what was about to happen?
originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: ChrisM101
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408
I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.
They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.
That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.now chunks of brain matter
You know, I doubt anything at this point. The blood does look like gel and is so thick it sits on top of the carpet and doesn't soak into it. The blood on his face looks real though.
ETA: *don't... I DON'T doubt
Here's a thought: If Paddock had been dead for a while before the gun was put in his mouth and the trigger pulled, might that explain the thick syrup-like consistency of the blood in the photo?
originally posted by: butcherguy
We have some very good 'why' questions here.
If he shot himself in the head, why isn't there more blood there.
Why is there blood on the front of his shirt in the lower chest area?
Why is there a trail of blood drops between his right shoulder and the revolver?
Maybe he wasn't shot in the head.
If he was shot in the chest, that would explain the blood on his chest. It would also explain why there is less blood than expected on the floor around his head, due to large quantities of blood remaining in his lungs and pleural cavity. The blood above his head would have come out of his mouth and nose from his lungs.
He may not have been shot with the revolver, for all we know. He may have had it in his hand when he was dying and got blood on it from a chest wound and swung his arm up in death throes and the revolver went over his head.
Not enough info can be gleaned from the few leaked photos, and I think the person that leaked them knows that.