Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.

They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.

originally posted by: carewemust
Do you think these law enforcement personnel who spoke on CBS's "60 minutes" are embellishing their story?
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From the comments section on this article. Great points, especially the shell casing ON TOP of the pool of blood

a reply to: oakd1975

I've been waiting for them to be released. My guess is that we'll keep waiting and they won't be.

a reply to: ZombieWoof

I showed this photo to a coworker who was a homicide detective for two decades and he said the same thing.

a reply to: ZombieWoof

Admittedly curious, when I zoom up on his face...is that a bullet hole on his cheek? Or is there a bullet hole in the crook of his eye area and nose/brow? Just pixelation /lighting effect or is it 2 bullet entries?


Edit add: I could be projecting bias since someone had pointed out the 2 sticker tapes on the outside of the hallway door and stated those would have entered from the hallway. Looking at the height of the tapes, I wondered how tall was Paddock?


Edit add2: found the prior post and pic of tape markers high up on the door.

originally posted by: Encia22
Hello everyone. This is my first time posting about this sad event and its continued complications as the days pass.

I only want to make a few observations about the crime scene photo of the doorway.

1. If you look closely at the area I've marked with red arrows, the edge of the door looks a bit rough, leading me to think that that is the hinged side. That rough finish would have been hidden in the door frame.

2. Look at the m

Wtf, editing some typos on my smartphone has made half of my original post dissappear. I will have to do a rewrite tomorrow from my PC.

a reply to: ZombieWoof

I have a different problem with that picture. If Paddock shot himself, then shouldn't there be blood spray all over the place? It looks like someone put a gun in his mouth after he was already dead and pulled the trigger.

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: ZombieWoof

Admittedly curious, when I zoom up on his face...is that a bullet hole on his cheek? Or is there a bullet hole in the crook of his eye area and nose/brow? Just pixelation /lighting effect or is it 2 bullet entries?

I noticed the hole in the corner of his eye, too... Nobody shoots themselves right there. Dude was murdered by a partner I bet.

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: ZombieWoof

Admittedly curious, when I zoom up on his face...is that a bullet hole on his cheek? Or is there a bullet hole in the crook of his eye area and nose/brow? Just pixelation /lighting effect or is it 2 bullet entries?

I noticed the hole in the corner of his eye, too... Nobody shoots themselves right there. Dude was murdered by a partner I bet.

What is that circle blemish on his opposite cheek beside the floor? Does that look like a bullet entry as well?

Ok People,

Look At the scene



That is not the bottom of a door, that is a complete other door, knocked down and laying on its side.
Hence look at the trim of the door standing, with no holes in it.
Look at the door down on its side. Those holes 9 or 10 that are visible, are pretty high up, because that trim doesnt extend all the way down, and the area visible is larger than the small trimmed area for the bottom. Assuming a 7 foot door size those shots are all above 6 foot. Not sure about the size of the guy, but im 6'3 and if i shot level at someone on the other side of a doorway it would be shoulder height and down. Not above my head.

a reply to: CynConcepts

the latest I read is that they have over 300 shots of him at the hotel on the security cameras they say he is alone on everyone of them....the discrepency of how long he stayed there they said he checked in on the eary date but didn't stay there until the later date

they said he was seen with a prostitute they were looking for her and someone came forward describing REALLY rough rape like sex.....was that THIS time or was she talking about other sessions with him from before???

a reply to: ZombieWoof

After watching the 60 minutes episode, and then looking at the picture of Paddock a second time... It all makes sense now.

One of the officers in the 60 minutes episode said that Paddock seemed to only be bleeding from the mouth, and he didn't see a gunshot to the head. After looking at the image again, it does look like a large amount of blood came out of his mouth only and eventually ended up on the carpet.

This makes sense to me, because I have seen the blood puddle of victims who have been shot in the head, and let me tell you, the puddle usually fills an area the size of a Twin size bed (39x74 inches) around the entire victim. Its a lot of blood. The picture of Paddock in no way looks like a head shot to me, at least not one that should have exited out the rear of his skull, there is just not enough blood. Looks like he was killed in some other fashion that involved the mouth.

Also, how do they explain the blood on his shirt?

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
a reply to: LSU0408

I want you to take a couple of rounds, lay them on the floor, poor a liquid out onto the floor where it flows to where the rounds are, the liquid will surround and puddle under the round, hence giving the appearance the round was not there prior to the blood being there. I've already done this, rounds on top prove nothing.

They don't prove anything but they add more mystery to this story. The blood should flow inside the empty shell. Hell, as thick as that blood it, you'd think it would push the light shell. It's so thick it doesn't even soak into the carpet. I'm just offering my theory here, not dispelling any other opinion.

That looks like theatre blood. not actual human blood, its too shiny and transparent looking.no chunks of brain matter

a reply to: ZombieWoof

We need to see where the blood splatter is before he fell and that blood came from the back of his head. If he shot himself whilst standing, then its probable a lot of blood spread elsewhere.

The bullets on the floor... look clean on top but thats just looking normal to me as the blood would only be underneath the bullet as it spread... would it not?

Anyway, how did those photos get out?

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Sure, provided he was lying in that spot when he pulled the trigger.

***TOTAL PERSONAL SPECULATION***

It seems to me, from watching the press conferences, like the LVPD Sheriff does not like what he is having to do. It's almost as if he has agreed to be quiet about certain things but won't overtly lie. He reminds me of someone who is actually determined not to lie so he is watching his words very carefully. Thus, he stumbles over them a lot and says, "That I personally know of... [sic]" a lot as well.

Basically, I don't think he is telling everything he knows and is also being careful not to say anything that could implicate him as being complicit with a coverup. It's almost like he hates any role he has in not being 100% up front. I guess I'm saying it just feels as if he's not a willing participant in intentional obfuscation - beyond the level of participation has HAS to agree to for any reasons...

I figured it out!
Platinum Club members get a 1 hour head start if the police come looking for you.
Also, free limo to the nearby airstrip.

Yea i agree, and for those who can stomach some blood go look up the Bud Dwyer suicide. That man sticks a gun in his mouth a pulls the trigger. You can see an exit wound come out the back, and the blood flowing from his mouth and nose is a huge waterfall. Video is not for the faint of heart

originally posted by: 0x6372756d6273
a reply to: ZombieWoof

After watching the 60 minutes episode, and then looking at the picture of Paddock a second time... It all makes sense now.

One of the officers in the 60 minutes episode said that Paddock seemed to only be bleeding from the mouth, and he didn't see a gunshot to the head. After looking at the image again, it does look like a large amount of blood came out of his mouth only and eventually ended up on the carpet.

This makes sense to me, because I have seen the blood puddle of victims who have been shot in the head, and let me tell you, the puddle usually fills an area the size of a Twin size bed (39x74 inches) around the entire victim. Its a lot of blood. The picture of Paddock in no way looks like a head shot to me, at least not one that should have exited out the rear of his skull, there is just not enough blood. Looks like he was killed in some other fashion that involved the mouth.

Also, how do they explain the blood on his shirt?

Anyone else notice the 'smudge' on the gun. Well, that looks like a smear or blood on the cylinder. Also closer to the grip. This would be indicative of it being in his mouth when firing, right? I cannot see how, even if standing up, the gun wound up where it is behind him. There is just no way.

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Head wounds are not like movies. Like the Dwyer video. There does not need to be 'brains' on the floor or wall. That was a nice sized handgun Dwyer used but when it fires it can many times not breach the top of the skull. This is why during a 'hit' many times a smaller caliber weapon will be used. It bounces around in the skull.

originally posted by: ZombieWoof

Why is there blood on the trigger, trigger guard and cylinder of the revolver, yet only a drop or 2 on the frame?
Why is there older, soaked in blood in the carpet with fresh blood on top?
Why is there smeared blood on his right cheek?
Why is there a puddle sitting on TOP of a puddle of blood?
Finally, why is the revolver 4 feet above his head while both his arms are at his side?
How many times has his body been moved?
Two? Three times?
(pistol looks like a Taurus Judge 5 shot .410 shotgun/.45 long colt)
I think I see two different lengths of brass on the floor as well.

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: ZombieWoof

Admittedly curious, when I zoom up on his face...is that a bullet hole on his cheek? Or is there a bullet hole in the crook of his eye area and nose/brow? Just pixelation /lighting effect or is it 2 bullet entries?

I noticed the hole in the corner of his eye, too... Nobody shoots themselves right there. Dude was murdered by a partner I bet.

What is that circle blemish on his opposite cheek beside the floor? Does that look like a bullet entry as well?

I didn't notice that, you could very well be right, it could be a bullet hole. This just keeps getting stranger.