Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

If he was escaping to do more attacks why bring all his toys?

a reply to: AMPTAH

When modified to fire like an automatic those rifles are notoriously known to overheat, malfunction and irreparably jam. That happens, you're done, unless you have backup rifles ready...

a reply to: AdemirAlagic

The 23 guns were only half his arsenal. There were another 20 or so found at two of his properties.

a reply to: RomeByFire

they said he didn't leave a suicide note...I want to know what he wrote in that letter sitting on the table..it is in the picture where you see part of his body from the knees down....there is a letter on the table....will we find out eventually

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IAMTAT

Groups like ISIS aren't meeting some random schmuck in a hotel room to negotiate the purchase of a few civilian grade weapons. They're already getting military grade stuff by the truckload.

And even then, why would an arms dealer be selling guns registered to him that had been purchased over an extended period of time?

It also ignores the fact that he had booked a similarly positioned room across from Lollapalooza but never showed.

Groups like ISIS aren't meeting some random schmuck in a hotel room to negotiate the purchase of a few civilian grade weapons. They're already getting military grade stuff by the truckload.

Not inside the U.S.

And even then, why would an arms dealer be selling guns registered to him that had been purchased over an extended period of time?

He planned on disappearing by leaving the country.

It also ignores the fact that he had booked a similarly positioned room across from Lollapalooza but never showed.

It may have been a coincidence...or a dry run.

Perhaps he was not just selling guns & ammo...but a 'pre-planned terror event package' to the highest bidder.

That's even more far-fetched than the arms dealer angle, imo.

The only way I can make sense of him being an arms dealer is the concept of hiding in plain sight... but even then, these aren't military grade weapons (which we all know "moderate rebel," groups get hooked up with courtesy of Uncle Sam).

Not saying it's impossible - just improbable.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: AdemirAlagic

The 23 guns were only half his arsenal. There were another 20 or so found at two of his properties.

Ok.. and how many of those were assault rifles I heard a few shot guns ..

a reply to: AMPTAH

So when Charles Whitman went to the top of the University of Texas tower with his arsenal that was also an arms deal gone bad.

What about Columbine? They had a number of guns with them. Was that just another arms deal gone bad?

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: RomeByFire

they said he didn't leave a suicide note...I want to know what he wrote in that letter sitting on the table..it is in the picture where you see part of his body from the knees down....there is a letter on the table....will we find out eventually

If he wrote anything at all.
We may never find out.

There very well could be a conspiracy and subsequent cover-up going on.

It's hard to tell. But from what I've seen, I don't believe that to be the case.

The "anonymous 4chan poster," who broke the claim about the arms dealer referred to Stephen Paddock as Stephen Pallock. They didn't even bother proofreading before making the claim... lol.

Kind of takes the wind out of the sail if you ask me.

The note probably said I just wanted to sleep lol

Okay, I've got it! Solved. Case closed.

Mr. Ballsack was into video poker right? So he goes on-line, and after losing a bunch of cheddah on the slots he gets mad and goes out and gets his Imam card ($29.95 if you act now, free shipping). He then cuts a deal for some 'sick guns' with OBL's brother Ahmid. Ahmid says he'll be by at 11pm to party-hearty, so Mr. Ballsack decides to impress him with all his sick guns. In the process of setting up for his meet with Ahmid he looks out the window and sees a bunch of rednecks partying in the vacant lot he was going to set up his big tent for his harem and the Schwarma party. He starts trippin' and goes off. Starts running around and screaming. Then he calls down to room service and places an order for...
- 1 bagel with cream cheeze
- 1 Angus sammich
- 2 Pepsis
- and a sledge hammer
The bellhop waiter dude delivers the food and he see's they've sent up Diet Pepsi instead of full strength stuff. That's IT, that's the last straw! Screw Ahmid, he thinks, he's gonna' have to wait. So he grabs the hammer and busts out the window...and...well, you know the rest.

Still spitballing...

Paddock was selling 'Pre-planned/packaged Terrorism Events'.

Three terrorists show up in the room with a suitcase of $$$...Paddock planned on taking the money and leaving them to it, as he disappears to the Philippines with his GF in the new house she went ahead to buy.

Instead, they kill him...do the deed...and leave with the money.

Edit:
The OTHER (Lalapalooza?) set up...was a 'No Sale' terror event package.

a reply to: AdemirAlagic

I can't find an exact list of what was found at his Mesquite house. All I can find is that there were 19 guns seized from that location. On top of that there were explosives found there.

I also was able to find that of the 33 guns he had purchased over the last 12 months, the vast majority were rifles.

AJ is going nuts about this right now.

a reply to: IAMTAT

You really think that's a more likely scenario than crazy old man goes crazy then offs himself?

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: tiredoflooking
a reply to: KansasGirl

Nope you are not a bad girl and neither am I 🙃 I am the one that added that report to the thread. The sheriff reported it directly at last nights news conference. You read and remembered correctly.

Does anyone feel like this thread is being gaslighted ? Lol not specifically this question but question after question. I know it is hard to read all the way back but try at least people!

New news conference on CNN right now...firefigters I think? Weird...

Gaslighted?

I seriously doubt it. For what it's worth, I've been called a paid shill by four posters who just recently joined ATS and have only posted in one thread (this one). I'd be more pressed to say those folks are gaslighting more than anyone else.

I disagree, I've been reading since page one and it occurred to me too that people's questions have been challenged consistently with the FBI and LEO narratives as the only thing relevant and shutting down any questioning of that narrative as either made up or literally crazy.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: IAMTAT

You really think that's a more likely scenario than crazy old man goes crazy then offs himself?

Your's is the more likely possibility...but things are not always as they seem.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Attempting to make sense of the senseless with nonsense is what ATS does best, didn't you know?

originally posted by: IAMTAT
This just has all the hallmarks of a clandestine arms deal...that was either manipulated or went sideways.

Just my opinion...no proof...and I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.
But I keep coming back to this theory.

What I keep coming back to on your theory is: "Why would it have been done in that hotel?" You are in Las Vegas, Nevada. You are surrounded by 100's of miles of desert. Why wouldn't you do it out there from the back of a box truck instead? Why would you go through the trouble of lugging 400 lbs worth of registered guns (23 of them!), ammo, and other equipment up 32 floors for an arms deal? Why, when you have a desert at your disposal, would you risk this whole thing being exposed, not just on the way up, but in also having to lug all of that equipment back down again after the transaction? ...Unless the whole plan was to shoot up the concert in the first place. With the sheer scale of what was in that room, if this was an arms deal gone bad and Paddock agreed to do this out of a 32nd floor Mandalay Bay hotel room, then he was a very poor arms dealer.

I think Stephen Paddock shot that concert up of his own accord; I think he planned to; and I think he had a ton of help. And the feds had better find the other players involved in this ASAP and exterminate them as well, or we are going to have more incidents like this going forward.

originally posted by: Jubilation T Cornpone

originally posted by: IAMTAT
This just has all the hallmarks of a clandestine arms deal...that was either manipulated or went sideways.

Just my opinion...no proof...and I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.
But I keep coming back to this theory.

What I keep coming back to on your theory is: "Why would it have been done in that hotel?" You are in Las Vegas, Nevada. You are surrounded by 100's of miles of desert. Why wouldn't you do it out there from the back of a box truck instead? Why would you go through the trouble of lugging 400 lbs worth of registered guns (23 of them!), ammo, and other equipment up 32 floors for an arms deal? Why, when you have a desert at your disposal, would you risk this whole thing being exposed, not just on the way up, but in also having to lug all of that equipment back down again after the transaction? ...Unless the whole plan was to shoot up the concert in the first place. With the sheer scale of what was in that room, if this was an arms deal gone bad and Paddock agreed to do this out of a 32nd floor Mandalay Bay hotel room, then he was a very poor arms dealer.

I think Stephen Paddock shot that concert up of his own accord; I think he planned to; and I think he had a ton of help. And the feds had better find the other players involved in this ASAP and exterminate them as well, or we are going to have more incidents like this going forward.

If you do the deal in the desert, your clients may just end up smoking you and leaving with the merchandise.
I do wonder why he would want to do it at a hotel in Vegas though.
I understand wanting to have some public in the vicinity, but there are far better places to arrange a deal going down than the 32nd floor of a large hotel/casino in Las Vegas.

a reply to: butcherguy

This is why it makes sense that he was not just selling weapons and ammo to terrorists, but an entire terrorism event package: Guns, ammo...planning...and a huge amount of sitting duck victims.

The earlier Lalapalooza 'package' was a 'No Sale'.