Active Shooter Las Vegas, Mandalay Bay

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Still spitballing...

Paddock was selling 'Pre-planned/packaged Terrorism Events'.

Three terrorists show up in the room with a suitcase of $$$...Paddock planned on taking the money and leaving them to it, as he disappears to the Philippines with his GF in the new house she went ahead to buy.

Instead, they kill him...do the deed...and leave with the money.

Edit:
The OTHER (Lalapalooza?) set up...was a 'No Sale' terror event package.

Why shoot the crowd?

The crowd was part of the package he was selling.

They don't have access to their own crowds?? They need someone to find a crowd for them?

I'm suggesting he was selling the terrorist equivalent to an organized hunting trip package.

For a price...the seller provides the customer with a pre-packaged event which includes weapons, ammo, planning and direct access to a herd of game.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Look enough with this unlikely scenario. We have heard it and it feels like you have turned troll.

If you were coming at us with he had brain cancer, wanted to make a political statement.. He is a crazy liberal wanting to make a statement about conservatives etc and maybe get some gun control passed... Well that could be a rational theory.

Gun deal.. Well people have been explaining for pages why it is almost certain we are just wasting bandwidth.

Talking the need for rational explanation for someone who commits this type of event? Really?

a reply to: antibren

From those pictures neither sets of doors look like they were breached. I'm betting the door that was breached was the one in 32134 that led to the hall. It makes sense SWAT would want to go for a pincer move. Why bottleneck all your men at one door with an armed suspect waiting on the other side when you can approach him from two angles?

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: IAMTAT

Look enough with this unlikely scenario. We have heard it and it feels like you have turned troll.

If you were coming at us with he had brain cancer, wanted to make a political statement.. He is a crazy liberal wanting to make a statement about conservatives etc and maybe get some gun control passed... Well that could be a rational theory.

Gun deal.. Well people have been explaining for pages why it is almost certain we are just wasting bandwidth.

Yes sir, boss man.
Don't want no trouble...No, sir.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: antibren

From those pictures neither sets of doors look like they were breached. I'm betting the door that was breached was the one in 32134 that led to the hall. It makes sense SWAT would want to go for a pincer move. Why bottleneck all your men at one door with an armed suspect waiting on the other side when you can approach him from two angles?

Did you read previous threads by that user? It’s more of a 2 shooter theory than a officer procedure question

Paddock may have been setup for an arms deal, but unknown to him he was used as a patsy. I'd would say at least three people where involved, even more with deep state spooks. Paddock may have not set up the cameras inside his hotel suite and in the hallway, and he may have never fired a shot.

The arms deal theory is the (gun buyer) set the cameras up after killing Paddock, and after he does the shootings the cameras outside transmit to someone to help him escape. The (gun buyer) had plenty of time to disappear with outside help.

So yes, an arms deal is very possible.

a reply to: imitator

About as possible as aliens being involved. Guess he goes around making reservations in hotels next to mass concerts and MLB games just for kicks then right? That is just a big coincidence?

Wowww. This thread has gone nuts. The latest post quoting the 4chan post about the arms deal is rewritten and not a screenshot of the original. The original is on this thread somewhere. His name is spelled correctly pretty sure even if it's not it really doesn't matter maybe it got auto corrected!

Has nobody on ATS read or heard about or seen movies about or watched Homeland or...

Has nobody here heard of all the highly controversial "terror" arrests made by the fbi using operatives and/or informants in the US and even the Canadian one where they entrapped 2 Canadian homeless ppl (in conjunction with csis) into planting (fake) bombs at a parliament building on Canada Day?

Or the group of boys arrested in New York State for planting a (fake) bomb in a car at a synagogue?

Nobody here has ever seen the movies or heard about these on the news???

OK the narrative goes Stephen Paddock is an undercover fbi agent he entices ppl. To buy guns. Not sure who exactly you guys think ISIS is but it could be anyone from a homeless guy THEY helped radicalize to the most together actual criminal.

4 Chan leaked this was his ongoing job and the people who he was to meet that day were actual IS guys which means...anything they could be anyone. Another fbi informant or informants could have been meeting with them for years and even helped to radicalize them because they have done this many times in the past. It could also mean they were actual military trained IS or al queda operatives.

So 4chan says they found out he was fbi before getting to the meeting. So they went there with the intention of killing him carrying out a mass shooting and leaving him to look like the culprit. Then IS would claim he was radicalized and did the shooting...which they did.

How the hell does the fbi explain this to the public? Answer they can't.

Why were all the guns registered to him? They told you they were. We do not know anything beyond what they have told us.

I'm not saying I believe this theory but it does fit the scenario as perfectly possible. Especially the second hotel room ...any operation by alphabet has a second room set up with surveillance...usually someone else in there...mr. Hodge? Or maybe nobody but it was locked from the inside they had to breach it. Maybe Stephen Paddock was in the surveillance room and not the operative even doing the deal at all. Who knows. All it takes is a little imagination and looking at past cases ppl.

I have long ass previous posts about the sheriff reporting the original leo found a door ajar in the main suite from the press conference last night. Why it took swat an hour to get there...what was happening in that hour. They were clearing rooms...because they already found a dead body in that suite. When swat arrived from the staircase 3 feet from main suite to stage the stair door was blocked some reports said it was welded the sheriff said it was just blocked. Ppl downstairs heard 2 booms followed by different sounding shots. Sheriff says they breached the suite door and door inside to adjoining room. Why would they have had to breach the suite when he had just said it was ajar? He also stated 200 shots were fired into the hall from the suite when 1st leo arrived. Then lvpd cleared rooms waiting for swat cause shooting had stopped. Ppl in hotel rooms report it was swat that cleared them.

So many things sheriff said at conference last night were messed completely up. Did anyone watch it? Seems like most ppl posting did not.

My other question is this was he easily identified after shooting himself in the head? Who identified him? They could have used finger prints as he was past gov employee...they didn't at the scene so they reported it was him from his wallet...sure hope tgey got an ironclad id...how do we know the body is even him??

a reply to: antibren

So a couple observations based on some pretty extensive knowledge of doors...

1. Double doors without what is known as a "style" in between them cannot be locked in the direction they swing. That, or they need vertical dead-bolts into the frame. That is to say, if the doors swing "in" to 32134, which it looks like they do, then they cannot be secured in this direction. (I mean, there are ways to do it, but these doors do not appear to be set up that way). So, there is no way those doors could only be locked from inside 32134.

2. Double doors like those in the picture make really bad security doors. In fact, to "breach" one from 32135 all you'd really need to do is push hard on it. I think those doors are more what I would call an 'administrative' door (meaning if you didn't rent the whole space the hotel would close them off so you couldn't use 32134 as part of the whole 32135 suite. It's just a billing issue. And, it doesn't look to me like 32134 is really set up to function as a stand-alone room either (no bathroom).

3. Lastly (almost confirming #2 above), the top picture shows what appear to be alarm contacts on top of the two door leaves. This supports the notion they are 'admin' doors only. The alarm contacts would tell the hotel staff whether the doors were open or closed, and the guest would be charged accordingly. Furthermore, they absolutely are NOT "fire doors". No double door without a style can be used as "fire door", it's against IBC (International Building Code).

ETA...In fact, the only true "Fire Door" would be the door into the stairwell, and this would be a "B Labled" 2-hour rated fire door.

a reply to: antibren

I didn't. I'm just saying from the pictures shown neither door was breached. Which would lead me to believe it was another door they were talking about. And considering SWAT would most likely be coming through 32134 there would be no need to breach that door since they could just unlock it if for some reason it was locked.

I just think they're thinking of the wrong door when they heard that SWAT had to breach 32134. Unfortunately for them, that completely destroys their theory.

a reply to: imitator

No it isn't.

Las Vegas: Failed Arms Deal Theory Makes No Sense

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: antibren

So a couple observations based on some pretty extensive knowledge of doors...

1. Double doors without what is known as a "style" in between them cannot be locked in the direction they swing. That, or they need vertical dead-bolts into the frame. That is to say, if the doors swing "in" to 32134, which it looks like they do, then they cannot be secured in this direction. (I mean, there are ways to do it, but these doors do not appear to be set up that way). So, there is no way those doors could only be locked from inside 32134.

2. Double doors like those in the picture make really bad security doors. In fact, to "breach" one from 32135 all you'd really need to do is push hard on it. I think those doors are more what I would call an 'administrative' door (meaning if you didn't rent the whole space the hotel would close them off so you couldn't use 32134 as part of the whole 32135 suite. It's just a billing issue. And, it doesn't look to me like 32134 is really set up to function as a stand-alone room either (no bathroom).

3. Lastly (almost confirming #2 above), the top picture shows what appear to be alarm contacts on top of the two door leaves. This supports the notion they are 'admin' doors only. The alarm contacts would tell the hotel staff whether the doors were open or closed, and the guest would be charged accordingly. Furthermore, they absolutely are NOT "fire doors". No double door without a style can be used as "fire door", it's against IBC (International Building Code).

Thanks for the reply!
Did you read previous threads by that user? Room 32-134 is being reported by MSM to be rented out to a Aussie and that’s clearly one of the rooms with window put out.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Xcathdra

I've assumed a political motive from the beginning. The question is which one?

Trumps reaction makes me think it will be something completely unexpected.

You mean it will prolly be the FBI and CIA who perpertrated th eattack and will be outed publicly perhaps? with both agencies being dismantled and all agents jailed until further notice?

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: antibren

I didn't. I'm just saying from the pictures shown neither door was breached. Which would lead me to believe it was another door they were talking about. And considering SWAT would most likely be coming through 32134 there would be no need to breach that door since they could just unlock it if for some reason it was locked.

I just think they're thinking of the wrong door when they heard that SWAT had to breach 32134. Unfortunately for them, that completely destroys their theory.

They breached it from the inside of 32-135 as we see they didn’t breach the front door next to the cart with camera. Also take note of where the sheriff told us he ran the cables for camera.

Please go back and read the users history his post are well formatted and very clear. If anything some very real questions have to be asked with putting ALL conspiracy aside..

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Still spitballing...

Paddock was selling 'Pre-planned/packaged Terrorism Events'.

Three terrorists show up in the room with a suitcase of $$$...Paddock planned on taking the money and leaving them to it, as he disappears to the Philippines with his GF in the new house she went ahead to buy.

Instead, they kill him...do the deed...and leave with the money.

Edit:
The OTHER (Lalapalooza?) set up...was a 'No Sale' terror event package.

Why shoot the crowd?

The crowd was part of the package he was selling.

So rather than being a freak of nature who murdered innocent folks, he hooked someone else up to murder innocent folks?

Jesus Christ. It's no wonder why conspiracy theorists get a bad rap.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk
Have you considered taking up writing psycho-thrillers for a hobby? You seem eerily able to get inside the mind of twisted people.

People are overlooking something with the "gun deal" angle.

The FBI have been involved in years since 9-11 on multiple occasions with "set up" terrorists events.
They have been pointed to Islamic people and through the work of informants and undercover agents directed these people who stated a desire to commit a terrorist act, all the way to the brink of the act at which point they arrest them.
This has even gone so far as to include firearms, live explosives, and other means of killing which entice the target into going forward with the act.

It is possible that we are seeing the effects of one of these "canned" events where the government was unable to stop it once it got underway. In that case it would not be entirely out of the question for Paddock to be a potential informer attempting to entice Pilipino Muslims into a terrorist act. Maybe that got out of control. We have potential accomplices who look Asian or Spanish seen in the vicinity of the shooting as well as possibly with him on the day of the shooting.

I don't think that is the case I am just speculating here with regard to the information on an "arms deal".


With regard to the weapons themselves. I keep seeing people saying these guns were not "military grade" and this somehow makes them unwanted by ISIS or another terrorist.
I think the evidence that they performed rather well is staring you in the face and they no doubt caused quite a bit of terror in that kill zone. There is nothing different between these guns and "military grade" from a performance standpoint. Several of the guns are high end Daniel Defense guns and they are made with many parts that exceed military spec. There are parts the would need to be added to make them EXACTLY like a military gun but those parts are not really needed when you have the Bump fire stock especially if you do not intend to fire them for more than a single attack.
The point being that IF you were a recently arrived terrorist in the US that did not have the sufficient residency requirements to pass background checks and thus legally purchase rifles, you would need someone like Paddock to get the guns for you. If your intention was to conduct a terrorist attack inside the US you might use him to do a lot of other things as well, like scout out potential targets, since he had hotel comps and privileges and his personal wealth gave him the freedom to travel.
Not saying this is what happened just that its possible.

originally posted by: mzinga
a reply to: imitator

About as possible as aliens being involved. Guess he goes around making reservations in hotels next to mass concerts and MLB games just for kicks then right? That is just a big coincidence?

They could of done trial runs with Paddock, setup meeting etc. to get a feel for him, and then wait for the right time. Also note: lots of hotels are near concerts and sports stadiums, so it's not a far stretch.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

I haven't seen this mentioned...if it was an arms deal...he had several days to get all the arms and ammo etc up to the room....if the arms deal went like normal...they would have to haul all that stuff back DOWN...how many trips up and down would that take...does not make sense that it was an arms deal