My bepuzzlement with the males of this age continues to prove limitless.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: roadgravel
So how does trash talk for a meaningful conversation?

Well "trash talk" is "tough" and being "tough" is manly...and being "manly" is prime-choice, yo!

I know its shocking, but intelligent women like intelligent men.

So, what kind of women like men who have to "act tough"?

It has nothing to do with acting tough.
I don't think it can be explained to you.
Intelligent men act like men around other intelligent men.
It has nothing to do with you when you are not around.

I'm a 70 year old woman.

You think I slept through all those years?

Intelligent men act like intelligent men around intelligent women who demand they do so.

That's not the point.
My point is those intelligent men act differently when they are not around a woman.

Some do - - some don't. I've always been "one of the guys" - - - I don't really get along with other women.

I prefer intelligent men - - who don't feel the need to play "boy's games".

All men play boy games.
Even intelligent men.
The conversation will always be different if you are not in the room.
You have never been one of the guys.

Guess you know me and my life better then me.

Carry on.

As he have told me, "you always do this".
So turn it back on him and tell him, "you always do this".

You're doing it again.

And you're doing it for the 10th time.

It is getting boring.

originally posted by: c2oden

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

Yes, we're all aware you want a post-gender world of gay sissy boys and militant women keeping them in line.

It is YOU who has decided to see the world in this way.

1. Non-macho = gay

2. Intelligent women = militant

Or just girls and boys.

The world is full of children?
That would make Trump the most childish of all.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

Yes, we're all aware you want a post-gender world of gay sissy boys and militant women keeping them in line.

It is YOU who has decided to see the world in this way.

1. Non-macho = gay

2. Intelligent women = militant

With your track record of openly supporting toddlers being overtly socially engineered into gay transgender whatever, your derailing my social critique herein is to be expected.

That you're spinning my critique of the whole society being turned into a singular gob of grey goo weaklings, lacking diversity & adversity in social situations and beyond... to spin it into binary terms now that is interesting.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

Yes, we're all aware you want a post-gender world of gay sissy boys and militant women keeping them in line.

It is YOU who has decided to see the world in this way.

1. Non-macho = gay

2. Intelligent women = militant

With your track record of openly supporting toddlers being overtly socially engineered into gay transgender whatever, your derailing my social critique herein is to be expected.

That you're spinning my critique of the whole society being turned into a singular gob of grey goo weaklings, lacking diversity & adversity in social situations and beyond... to spin it into binary terms now that is interesting.

Sure you were not socially engineered into believing that crap?

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

Yes, we're all aware you want a post-gender world of gay sissy boys and militant women keeping them in line.

It is YOU who has decided to see the world in this way.

1. Non-macho = gay

2. Intelligent women = militant

I usually dont bother to respond to someone who is not from around these parts that think they know
So , I wont...

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

Yes, we're all aware you want a post-gender world of gay sissy boys and militant women keeping them in line.

It is YOU who has decided to see the world in this way.

1. Non-macho = gay

2. Intelligent women = militant

I usually dont bother to respond to someone who is not from around these parts that think they know
So , I wont...

These parts?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Annee

Yes, we're all aware you want a post-gender world of gay sissy boys and militant women keeping them in line.

It is YOU who has decided to see the world in this way.

1. Non-macho = gay

2. Intelligent women = militant

With your track record of openly supporting toddlers being overtly socially engineered into gay transgender whatever, your derailing my social critique herein is to be expected.

That you're spinning my critique of the whole society being turned into a singular gob of grey goo weaklings, lacking diversity & adversity in social situations and beyond... to spin it into binary terms now that is interesting.

Dig deep for that comeback?

a reply to: Annee

Read your words and hit reply and started typing it. As I always do. My memory banks are always at the ready.

Shall I dig up the thread, or go easy on you?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I'm bemused by this thread.

Watching this thread slowly change as it has is really depressing. I think every generation is looked upon by the former as not being able to cope or survive in the world the way it used to be without all the modern creature comforts. In many ways that is true. How many people today could find food, water, and shelter if they had to fend for themselves? Basic necessities that our forefathers had to work for are easy for us to acquire. With convenience comes a degree of inherent weakness compared to the previous generation.

That may explain physical differences like strength and endurance, but the psychological differences between men of the past and men of today are not so easily written off as a byproduct of convenience. Gentlemanly behavior notwithstanding. The greatest, manliest men I have ever known were also the kindest to children, the gentlest with ladies, and unerringly polite. The brutish male who grunts and snorts is often intimidating. But the refined gentlemen who deals a sound thrashing while maintaining a dignified and respectful appearance is the one to be feared the most. Polite does not equate to weak. In fact, I feel it is quite the opposite.

There were always behaviors that one would associate with a gender. Men sit with their knees apart. Ladies sit with their knees together. It has always been this way and it was just accepted. Now "man-spreading" is actually a crime in some cities. This is just one small example of a much larger erosion of manly behavior into gender non-specific behavior meant to appease those whom feel threatened by people who actually have a firm grasp of their gender identity. Non-specific gender rolls seems to be the desire of this political/social movement. Which begs the question: who is on top? Seriously, being on top is a masculine dominant position. Being on the bottom is a submissive position. In a gender non-specific world wouldn't sex have to happen side by side lest one party feel dominated by the other? In other words, when is it ok to draw the line on this ridiculous agenda and let people be themselves - even if you don't like it?

To the masters of this re-engineering of society: You don't get to control everyone and no one owes you anything. Get over yourself if you believe otherwise. Besides, being controlling is hurtful and oppressive... or does that only apply to people you disagree with?

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

I personally find it difficult to agree with you up to some point. I do agree, that being "triggered" at trashtalk or insults, is not manly, although I do not consider the person, who does the trashtalk manly either.

I have always been taught, a real man stays calm in different situations, a real man does not earn respect by insulting others, by showing how powerful and assertive he is. A loud-mouthed guy, who says whatever comes to mind without thinking what he says, is not a real man. Real man thinks before he says something. Personally, usually, I just ignore the loudmouths, who swear all the time and say basically nothing worth hearing. Humor differs, some people prefer some type of humour, some another. I personally find the trash talk one of the lowest levels of humour.

The definition of "real man" has changed over time in my eyes. There are still many even around here, who believe "real" man talks his mind all the time, owns a nice car (which he spends a lot of time for to make it look better, more powerful ), fights back if they are insulted (basically "triggered"), is big, powerful alpha male´, swears, is into guns/war/fighting, does not care about his own looks. Round here also it is general opinion that a guy has to have served military (it is compulsory here)

I find that definition of "manliness" really outdated. Generally, such people in this area, come from some country side place, usually do not have much education and are taking the hands-on jobs (mechanic, construction, electrician, warehouses etc). Usually these jobs do not pay much. I do not look down on such jobs though. They are necessary for the society to function and somebody has to do such jobs.

Although I usually find it really difficult to communicate with such guys, unless sports topic. With my friends, usually we always talk about something meaningful, not just small talk. We generally discuss the markets, business ideas we have that we want to do, scientific advances in technology, after having a chat with them we always get new information, new outlook to things from good, solid arguments. With the other kind of "manly" guys, the general chat topics lies in what party they went to, how much they drank (and all the stupidities they did when drunk), which women they slept with, how was it, how they beat up some "sissy" etc. To be honest, I really do not give a damn about such things.

Something about myself : I am an engineer, I have exited two companies in the market successfully, I have four higher degrees (Masters in robotics, Bachelors in economics and psychology). Considering my age, I consider myself very successful compared to the average. Despite being an engineer, although I have never been into cars. I know how to fix them, I have owned some (Audis), although I sold mine, as I saw it as unnecessary expense and the public transportation is free of charge, fast + environmentally more friendly. I always wear quality fragnance and designer clothes. My tech is up-to-date. I personally find fighting really wrong and immature. I have learned MMA and Muay Thay, although when I get to a fight, I never hit another person back, I just defend myself and put them into lock-down. I have never hit a person, outside of sparring (with defensive clothing). I find guns useless. I am in very good shape physically, but not too big. I go to gym, but focus more on muscle tone and endurance, rather than muscle size. I spend most of my free time developing myself, learning new things. I do smoke though (bad behavior) and drink when I go out, although not excessively. Personally, I avoid the macho-type people in my social circle as much as possible. These guys are not men, a man does not have to prove he is a man or show his strength by overpowering someone, a boy does.

What I have been taught and what I believe, real men are collected, calm. They think before they speak. They talk when necessary. They do not talk trash or are not triggered when someone does - they just avoid such people who do talk trash or walk away. They do not go into small-talk, but talk necessary things. Of course, humour, can be part of it They do not have to prove themselves or others, that they are men. They just are, themselves, without having to prove anything, to anybody.

I

a reply to: Kettu

I think he was replying to your lame remark,your ideal of being a male and others obviously are different,being a man is being able to control your emotions,the ability to deal with advercity,control ones destiny,but I see ones like you dressed up like girls,acting out in an girlish manner,this turns us males stomachs,it's not ok for a man to act like a girl,ever see animals cross dressing? neither have I

Every bully in the world describes his behavior as just being manly, and his victims need to just grow some balls and man up.


The whinging man babies of the red pill movement talk about 'beta males' taking their women, incapable of understanding why a woman might not want to be with what they call a 'real man'. Their insecurity would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.


The truth is the world is big place with lots of room for all sorts of different people, who like different things and behave in different ways, and none of it is right and none of it is wrong, it's just people trying to find what works for them.

a reply to: Kettu

Ok , you went to far . I must respond .
PBR is really good beer . Just because it isn't expensive doesn't mean that it isn't good . I just guzzled a bunch last night .

originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: Kettu

Let's go all the way back to Rome then we can all get our freak awn.

No Kidding, and instead of pretending football is barbaric and too violent, we can watch grown men disembowel each other in the Colosseum! Huzzah!

And so we're all clear this:



Is not a real man.

originally posted by: Kettu
Are you sure you're not becoming/acting like the person(s) you are discussing?

As an aside, shouldn't this be in the "rant" BTS forum?

What, because they pointed it out and are frustrated by it all? I know I don't see it that way. If you also aren't frustrated by it then you either don't care or are one of the disgusting little maggots that the OP refers to.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

It goes deeper than that. How many teachers expect their little boys to act the same as the little girls who come to their classes behavior-wise?

Girls have a much easier time sitting still and being quiet because it's more in their nature as girls. Boys are much more naturally boisterous and active. They need that active playtime - recess - and they need the unrestricted active play it provides.

But we see more and more schools cutting recess and when they do have recess, they are making the play more and more restrictive because no one should be "hurt" or have their feelings hurt. So active games like tag are taken out or so highly structured that they aren't that free, boisterous, and active play boys really need.

a reply to: Cabin

You are a metrosexual male-and that's fine. But you are not what most women, especially in my part of the US, want.

You do come across as a bit arrogant and proud of yourself.

Around here, we appreciate a man who stops to help a woman change a tire, lift her bag on a plane ride, opens the door for her, etc. They know how to fix things and are very computer savvy-they even build them for others.
They are kind and patient with theirs and others children and don't mnd the rough and tumble sport with their sons.

They also coach baseball and football and sometimes play on men's teams. They attend plays and symphonies with other couples, the occasional program to raise money for those in need as well as teach their children chess and strategy games.

Alot have served in the military and have those bonds. If there is "trash talk" it would only be occasional, not when drunk or ever in front of family, women and children.

So a modern day respected man comes in many colors and deserves respect; even for their differences-it depends on how they treat others as well as "extreme personal hygiene" and fancy, unique personal sports.

Good luck attracting the ladies, hope you keep making the big bucks; I think you and your ego need it.

a reply to: Justso


There is first time for everything, you are the first person ever to call me metrosexual

My expressional skills might not be the best. I do agree with you about the qualities you described men should have. It is common courtesy, politeness, that every man should show towards a lady.

I personally have nothing against dirty work. At some points in my life, when I was younger, I have worked at construction as well as car mechanic lot. When I lived with my parents, I helped them build a house from scratch. When it comes to fixing stuff at home or computer knowledge, I have no problem getting stuff done.

I am currently playing soccer as well as basketball both at second division of my nation. I have played sports since I was a child and love it, although not individual sports, but team sports. I have coached youth level sports sometimes (some of my friends are coaches and sometimes need help), although I have not had the time to make the proper licences to become a licenced coach. Everything you described, should be what a man, a father is like.

The reason, I personally dislike military, is the fact that respect does not need to be earned, it comes via position. A lower ranked person in hierarchy automatically has to respect the person in higher rank. In real life situations, companies, such leadership style is not effective. I, personally, could not respect anybody, just because they have higher rank. My attitude towards a boss or a cleaning lady remains the same. I have been in manager positions several times and every time I work hard in order to earn the respect from the people that work for me. I do not expect it. I have to earn it.

The factor that you brought out, treating others, is one of the factors I value the most in people. I could not work for somebody who treats their employees badly, or have an employee who treats other employees badly. My personal rule is, treat everybody as you would like yourself to be treated. I try to treat everybody as equal.

When it comes to charity, I always try to give as much as I can. I try to give as much as I can and personally, I do not believe in high paygrade differences in companies. Due to the latter, I even had to leave one company. Being a manager, I decided that my raise was distributed evenly between my team, as they needed it more than I did. Of course, this pissed of managers of other departments, whose employees expected the same, so I just had to leave the company. I have volunteered thousands of hours of my life in different organisations helping to develop students, helping underprivileged children.

I do not make big bucks. I make enough to live on. I do not need more. Every extra cent I earn after my living expenses and investments goes to either my employees as raises or to charity.

When it comes to ladies, that is not a problem for me. I am not married or do have children yet due to personal choice. Despite there being a lot of women in my life, none of them have attracted me enough to spend my life with them.

All in all, I agree with your post. The way you described how a man should be like, is the man I am trying to be. I am sorry, if I made you feel as if I was arrogant or egoistic, I am not, at least I do not try to be.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: roadgravel
So how does trash talk for a meaningful conversation?

Well "trash talk" is "tough" and being "tough" is manly...and being "manly" is prime-choice, yo!

I know its shocking, but intelligent women like intelligent men.

So, what kind of women like men who have to "act tough"?

Pretty ones, usually, as any non-athletic guy can tell you. Cheerleaders go for jocks, not the math nerds. It's all part of the "selfish gene" syndrome. Women want men who can protect and support them so they can raise the kids in comfort and peace. Hence the Alpha Male (Tough Guy) is preferable to an 'intellectual" who can't keep the hordes away. This includes powerful men who may not be conventionally "pretty" in their own right, but they are powerful, which counts. So men like Henry Kissinger, without a toned muscle in his body, was always accompanied by a pretty woman because Kissinger was one of the most powerful men on Earth. Power and money attract. Trump's three wives are all knockout gorgeous.

Men want pretty women because "pretty" (meaning a feminine shape and big boobs) is more likely to be able to nurture and raise healthy children. In both cases each sex is trying to maximize the chances for survival and carrying on the lineage. This ALSO means men are likely to want to "spread their seed" as widely as possible where women are more into "home and hearth" simply because they can only give birth every year or so. Men are well-known for their wandering eye, always looking for the next conquest. Just look at personal ads today. In the "women seeking men" ads you see phrases like, "Wanted: financially secure man for long-term relationship." In the "Men seeking women" ads you see things like "Wanted: 20 something blonde, Height/weight proportionate." These ads are VERY revealing and show nothing much has changed. If women do say, "I want an intelligent man" what they are REALLY saying is, "I want an intelligent man, which means he's likely to be smart enough to be financially secure so I can raise the kids without fearing poverty."

You an talk intellectually about this all you want insisting none of this is true, but objectively, it is, whether you approve of it or not.