Baddogma's Other Meta Cafe- Polite Discussions About Scientific Mysticism and General Weirdness

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Stop #ing so much, this is not the time!
What kind of impression are you going to make if that would be your contact moment?
If you embarass yourself you embarass all of us.
Stop being so stupid!
Stop repeating yourself they heard you the first time.
Never ever ask the other to take over the world.
Never ask to kill anybody.
Never assume you're in a position to judge.

And anecdotes of attempts to ask for God to show himself have never a happy ending!
For what it's worth...

I know those 1% are doing what their version of the greater good is.
One man's supervillan is another man's hero, that's just how it is.

originally posted by: Baddogma
Hmmm ... my baby has grown up, moved out, got married, joined and left a cult, worked in insurance for decades, got into exotic game birds and is now collecting social security.

Ok, KPB. Wassup?

I look at us more like a Cargo Cult and now "God"(you) has returned.

Oh blessed be thee
Or something silly....

In this little self help group.
I get frustrated when people are not putting it together.
"It's not allowed to think, so it can't be! "

You're doing it wrong.
You/everybody just
#ing Chill.
How can you not see it?

It's easy to be brave if there's nothing to fear.
It's easy to be judged when things are smooth sailings.
So it's just the "Bannon and The Riders of the Apocalypse" show. Relax.
They want Judgement, right?
I don't know why they're so sure they'd ever get to see it?
Like in Indiana Jones. Great movie.
A tale about the futility of existence.
You work your ass off and it plays out as it would have if you didn't exist at all.
It seems existential.
Now if you want to load it up, with death and the end of the world and Gawd giving you that Bondage Session you always wanted...
Fine. I have strong concerns about the path you're on.
From experience.
Ooooooooooh that never ends well....

a reply to: Baddogma

Actually it's going to be a bit later.

My very beloved wife wants to recline next to an open window
with me and enjoy the good smelling air.

But i'll be back.

a reply to: Baddogma

Post when you are back on ATS and I'll get to it. It's a thing I don't enjoy speaking about.. but I'm all about facing the uncomfortable eyeball to eyeball.

There really is a song for everything.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm frequently reverting to my nocturnal self ("self") on weekends. Unless we're exquisitely fortunate, we'll be on a time delay. But my attention, such as it is, is here.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Well your cat doesn't want to upset you, we have to assume something in the environment causes distress.

Instead of just putting food in a bowl you could make that more interesting, with something like this

And it gives them a real confidence boost if they can navigate their home base on an elevated level.

And it's maybe an asshole neighbour cat who crosses into your cat's territory behind glass, ie where yours can't do anything about it.
That's a great reason to pee on everything.

You gotta try and observe. Pee is a distress call.


This is of course very luxurious but kind of what you should be going for with an indoor cat.


People are always going for cats because they're "easier" than dogs.
They're not. It's much harder to have a healthy, happy, balanced cat.



And I don't know your living situation, but if you're absolutely certain you don't want your cat outside alone, maybe try a leash so it can pee on the things it sees from the window.

a reply to: Peeple

I know this guy who is a retired farmer. He nolonger lives anywhere near a farm but he must have the same filing cabinet or something that he had when he was on the farm because every time he sends me something it reeks of pig poo. I always give her them to sniff deeply. Makes her day.

She's really timid, quite nervous, has absolutely no desire to go outside, I've tried. The flat is cat-friendly and her home. She is just very attached to me and doesn't like me going out or using the vacuum (and a few other things that upset her sensibilities) which may or may not upset her. She is very healthy. She has a climbing tree and lots of out of human reach places to sleep and hide. She isn't distressed generally, she doesn't want to leave but also she doesn't want me to leave either. The weeing just is, I accept it, don't hold it against her and try my best to translate what it is I've done to upset her when she makes a point of doing it on my bed.



She's very much worth all the trouble.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Is that her? Beautiful.

Have you experimented with her toilet? Maybe the litter has the wrong smell, or texture? Or with or without a "cave"?

If only they could talk, right?

a reply to: Baddogma

I guess that I'll just PM you.

I needn't share my experience regarding 'the soul' and the place of humans in the cosmos in general chat. It doesn't seem productive.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I just want you to know:
You're doing it again.
Big drama over nothing.

I don't care and I don't mind, because I know if this Cafè isn't good enough for your big revelation... you don't really got anything anyways, do you?

You just assume and connect dots while missing thousands of them like all of us.
I don't mind, I like you, you have some interesting opinions.
But that's it. Nobody needs the show.

a reply to: Peeple

That's my Peeps!

BD and I had a great conversation, with him sharing data that
was further confirmation.

I'm simply finding that none of my conversations across many threads have been of any noticeable value. As you say, it's entirely possible it's all on me. I've never claimed to be an effective communicator.

Love you!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm simply finding that none of my conversations across many threads have been of any noticeable value. As you say, it's entirely possible it's all on me.

I've experienced the same thing.
4 days of festival for nothing.
That's how it is, right? And it's okay, even if it's not there we added something to solve the puzzle eventually.

Hugs & kisses

a reply to: Peeple

Has anyone ever told you that you have a mercurial and volatile personality?

;-)

I spend dozens of pages describing the very slippery nature of reality, in terms of math and physics even, and constantly say that nothing I say should be taken inappropriately.. that I'm just sharing experience and my 80% Rule ('its not true, as its impossible to ascertain what's true, but, by my standards, it's 'useful').

I know that people want to hear about some sky daddy (or momma) that will come and kiss all their boo boos away.. but that's just not going to happen.. I hope.. as if it does, it will trigger the "Childhood's End Effect" and human civilization will be destroyed.

How one deals with a no-win scenario shows a persons real character.

Do they whine?

Or do they plug on no matter what?

I'm speaking to myself every bit as much I'm speaking to you.

Kev

a reply to: Peeple

It is and isn't she just.

She has two litter trays, one open, one covered. They are positioned in places she feels safe. We both like the cat litter, it has oxygen action (evidently) and is scented with Marsellies soap (this I can attest to). All these measured relieved the peeing in other places.

It's the seperation anxiety, and well, sometimes I just annoy her. It's just her way of telling me off because I went out without letting her know, or because I whipped the Dyson round without due warning. Peeing on my bed, as you can see now though, it is a small price to pay for the privilege to live with such beauty. I cover my bed with a plastic sheet. It doesn't stop her but it prevents it from being a problem and I continue to strive to learn her strange language. My present tactic, while continuing to give her lots of postitive interactions, is not reacting at all to her weeing infractions. See how far that gets me until she susses me out.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
I spend dozens of pages describing the very slippery nature of reality, in terms of math and physics even, and constantly say that nothing I say should be taken inappropriately.. that I'm just sharing experience and my 80% Rule ('its not true, as its impossible to ascertain what's true, but, by my standards, it's 'useful').

While man is certainly the measure of all things, man should not forget that we have spent the past several thousands of years kicking it and this reality is definately here, whatever it may be. The ground is solid. Other realities much harder to kick, as I understand it that is.

Now if we imagine that this is a game what would we expect? We're on level Earth. What are the rules that will get us to the next level? What has kicking it taught us?

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Good observation / Question.

This earth only appears solid. As you know, matter is nearly entirely empty space.
We can't get anywhere near the Planck distance.. a lot of people in physics wonder
if this means we are in a simulation. The Bell Inequality has been proven, and it means
there is no 'local realism' (reality basically).

Things only LOOK solid and real.

Now, i'm not quibbling that if I bang my head into the wall, it will hurt me.

So nothing changed from ancient times.. the things that puzzled ancient 'mystics'
are still puzzling our new 'mystics' (physicists).

This is why there a lot of closet occultists among physicists. I've only met a few
dozen physicists in my life, but I'd say that only about 40% of them are harcdore
reductionists.

(reductionism is fine, often valid.. but it's possible to throw baby out with the
bathwater).

Yes, 'other realities' are MUCH harder to 'kick'. We are creatures of entropy and
death, largely denizens of 3 unpleasant dimensions and the apparent arrow of
time which flows in one direction, but according to QM, the arrow of time
flows in both directions (proven). We can't even count on time being solid.

What have we learned?

I would hope that we have learned, that wishful thinking alone won't get us
anywhere, that we should be rigorous with both our science and our pseudoscience,
but only some people have learned these things.

I would hope that we have learned that if we are to get anywhere, it has to be by
our sweat and blood, and that no 'metaphysical entities' are going to swoop in
and rescue us (or UFOs/aliens).

But again, so many are in denial about this. It used to be that people wanted angels
to help them, now they want ET to help them.

I have a lot of things to say about 'the game'. I've written dozens of pages on this topic..
even wrote some for TTSA.

JV and others wish to think that they can figure out of the motives for (apparent)
anomalous events, that they can attribute human motivations, motivations that
put humans in the middle of 'creation' as special and worth talking to.

Im not saying that humans are not interesting.. i'm not saying that humans don't
perhaps serve a function, other than just blind evolution.

but it doesn't appear to me to be a flattering function. Not majestic. And of course
I'm certainly at best 80% correct and quite possibly entirely wrong.

Until we master quantum mechanics, if we ever do, we are kind of stuck, in terms
of science providing meaningful answers to anything 'fringe'.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Oh dear! Crippled by existential doubt you huddle in fear unwilling to trust your sensors.

Your reserves slowly decline...the carrion eaters take a hop closer.



The End.

Thank you for playing.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I don't find ad hominem attacks all that funny. Pasting a smiley face on it does not make it funny.

'Reality' such as it is, is frustrating to everyone.

I try to face up to what's real, whether I like it or not.. that's been the story of my life.

My wife is quite 'earthy' as she calls it. And I have quite a lot of respect
for throwing 80% of one's mind out the window, and focusing on the 20%
which seems more solid, just so that one doesn't spend all their time
rotating around in Dorothy's tornado.

I do understand.

But somebody's got to do the hard work of thinking. And a lot of minds,
much greater than mine will ever be, roll around in this level of uncertainty;
and because they have, we have our modern technological world --- whether
that's a good thing or not, that remains to be seen.

Kev