The flat earth conspiracy

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: turbonium1

Why can't you address this question, honestly?

Ergo you think I am a liar then, why cant you just be honest, you think we are all lying to you

Sorry you felt the need for caps

Stay sane, do you know anyone within your family you can trust? or do they lie to you and say the earth is round? any friends that are honest with you or do they lie to you also?

As I've already explained to you, most people assume it's all true, simply because none of them care about it, anyway, or don't bother to examine the issue(s), beyond the mass media crap.

Nobody is lying about it, in those cases, as I've told you before.


However, if I pointed out to my friends, or family, that nobody has ever seen, or filmed, a rocket, higher than an airplane, or that they have never even TOLD us where to see it, they still wouldn't care about the issue, anyway. They'd say I made some good points, though.

But when people are here, to discuss the issue, to actually DEFEND that claim, as being true, as a fact.....

It is very different than people who don't care about it, don't discuss it, don't study it thoroughly, or so on...


If you are trying to defend their claim, that rockets fly into 'orbit', then why do you refuse to address my questions?


This isn't about other people, my friends, or family, who don't care about the issue. They do not DEFEND the claim, either.



Why can't you, or anyone else, simply address my question? If you are really trying to defend this claim, address the question I asked you.

It's obvious that you cannot explain it, otherwise, you would have addressed it.


But if that is the case, why can't you simply be honest about it, and admit that you cannot explain it?


What is preventing you from merely saying that you can't explain it?

a reply to: turbonium1

tell me what is wrong with this video then, where is the deception here

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: turbonium1

tell me what is wrong with this video then, where is the deception here

Almost every part of it is deception.

When I ask to see a rocket fly above us, and appear as a small speck, being so high above us, that is not what you're showing me here. I've seen such films many times, it's nonsense, faked crap, CGI, mainly.

Nobody can fake it if we can see it from Earth, because we are witnessing it at the time, and that's why they use this crap instead, because they can fake it easily, and it looks 'legit' to a gullible audience.


Ask why they don't film it from Earth, with everyone seeing it there, and filming the same thing. Nobody would do that, of course, because it wouldn't work so well.

If they have all these videos, taken from 'rockets', then why would there be NO videos at all, taken from Earth, showing a rocket as a little speck, high above them? Think hard, now..


All of those videos create the illusion of rockets in space, in 'orbit'. Who needs to see it from Earth, with so much 'proof' of it from these amazing 'rocket' cameras! They show Earth below, too! Very convincing, no?


No, it's all faked crap. It may convince some people, but nobody who knows a rocket would be seen from Earth, as a speck above them, if it were true. And it's not true, in any way. That's why they fake it all the time, to fool the ignorant masses it is real!

a reply to: turbonium1

Ok I am done, if you are going to dismiss it as CGI, then there is no rationale debate to be had

1) its an amateur, not some NASA video
2) its not a rocket but a homemade glider returning from space to earth
3) you have stated multiple times any video shown is CGI

please can you make a video as convincing and what software will you use

a reply to: turbonium1

Hi Turdonium1,

Been looking for you to show us an edge and answer why you cant use a telescope to see the rockets and satellites.


You keep saying Roundearthers create cgi but you have produced a single thing as proof like after thousands and thousands of years a single picture or even today a single photograph of an edge.

So how big of a flat surface do you think the earth is?
is it a disc or a just a mishaped flat surface?
Are we all on one side?
Do we know if anyone is on the other side?
how thick is the earth?

Please answer with out telling me someone is stopping the evidence surely you have been to the edge.

Popped in to see if any evidence had been produced to show that my video of the ISS shot in Vietnam was not the ISS, but weirdly that doesn't seem to have happened.

Have a some video of spacecraft in space, shot from Earth, by amateurs who knew where it would be because they payt attention to what's publicly available:

spaceflight101.com...

Have some info on other satellites and rockets

skyandtelescope.org...

Looking forward to turbo proving that they are all cgi fakes, including my video, with lots of logically constructed factually supported argument.

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: turbonium1

Ok I am done, if you are going to dismiss it as CGI, then there is no rationale debate to be had

1) its an amateur, not some NASA video
2) its not a rocket but a homemade glider returning from space to earth
3) you have stated multiple times any video shown is CGI

please can you make a video as convincing and what software will you use

Please look at all sorts of amateur CGI/etc. videos online, which are just as convincing as this one.

I picked out three videos, because they also explain how it can be done, with little or no money...

Making A Sci-Fi Film On A Microbudget

www.youtube.com...

Tips For Low Budget Sci-Fi Films!

www.youtube.com...

How to Make a SCI-FI with no money!

www.youtube.com...

These are clearly amateurs, like many others you can see online, if you wish.

And I didn't say all of them were CGI, either, so look at what I actually said before you assume things like this. Anyway, there are obviously many other ways to create convincing special effects, as you'll see in one or two of these videos.


There IS no rational debate over these videos. ANYONE can create convincing videos on a shoestring budget. How could you possibly hope to prove your video is real, in any way? It's impossible to prove. Just like many of these videos cannot be proven fake, unless we see how it was made, or the creators told us it was fake, or there are glitches in the scenes, which show it was faked.

Here is what you don't understand about making a claim. The burden of proving a claim is true, is on the person who MADE that claim, in the first place. It is not up to others to show it is not true, when you have never proven it was true to begin with.

So when you show a video like this, which looks convincing to you, and when you see it was done by an amateur, with his 'homemade glider', you immediately believe it is real, because nobody can do it but NASA, or whatever, who are skilled professionals, with big budgets. Of course, the 'homemade glider' really helps to sell the idea of some guy off the street doing this, right? I'm not making fun of you here, I would be convinced like you, if I thought it was all true. But I've seen all of this before, many times, and it's all faked. Why? Because, like you said, it was 'convincing'. That's the whole POINT of making these videos - to CONVINCE people it is all real, all true, all legit. The more videos they make, the more you are convinced it is all real.

Obviously, most of these videos, up to this point anyway, come from NASA. But now, virtually anyone can create very convincing videos, of a spaceship, or monsters, or EARTH as a ball in space!

You simply thought amateurs couldn't create such videos, with 'homemade gliders' (I like the 'homemade' part!), so now you know better.


I've repeatedly asked you why they've never told us where to see a rocket - from Earth - along it's flight around Earth, which you claim they HAVE to do, before they go into 'orbit'.

What are you so afraid of here? Why can't you answer this question? Your question to me was - 'do you think we are all liars or fools?' Even though I'd been asking MY question over and over again, before yours came up, I still addressed your question to me, while it had absolutely nothing to do with the issue. So I told you I'm not a mind-reader, and do not know if you are a liar or a fool. Those were the only two options, apparently. That eliminates people who are connected to NASA, or the space industry, or anyone with some sort of agenda (those who lie, for a specific reason), people who are in denial of the truth, people who are afraid to say they believe Earth is flat, in public, and many other types of people.

All I know is that if you believe rockets fly into 'orbit', after you know rockets have never been seen, or filmed, FROM EARTH, flying any higher than airplanes, when they vanish from our sight, which is always the launch site. Because that's the only place we can see a rocket fly, because - they TOLD us that is where we must go, to see their rockets launch up from Earth, and fly away, out of all view, because everyone views it from this one, same place, or films it from there. So rockets fly out of view in about 3 minutes, at least, when they stop filming it, or edit it out.


This brings up another problem - they NEVER show all of their footage. One video I've seen has actually shown about three entire minutes, of continual footage, from the launch, to flight, which is very unusual, when most videos show a minute or two, if that. Most of the footage is spliced apart, cut out, replaced with other footage, etc. They sure want us to see rockets launch from Earth, all the rest is a problem they've solved, ignore it all, say nothing about it anywhere, or anytime, and act like it doesn't exist, doesn't matter at all, never even document it, since they've piled up so many OTHER documents, nobody will notice one is missing, but if they do, say it wasn't ever documented, or it was, but cannot be found, today, or so on.


But if you really want to believe that NASA, who documents everything, on every Apollo mission, referenced in OTHER documents, which also are cross-referenced over and over again, in other papers, and after all of these documents never mentioned any of Saturn V's flight paths.....they just wrote more documents!

Nobody said 'Where are the flight path documents for the Saturn V, after launch?'

They HAVE no documents on the actual flight paths flown by Saturn V rockets? Why would that be?

I've looked for them, but so far, it appears as if they don't even exist.

They have piles and piles of other documents, and many revisions of them, and cross-referencing other documents, but....
no documents on their actual flight paths.

It is even more ridiculous, than it was before.

They fly a rocket over the ocean, where we never see it again.

Although we COULD see a rocket after that point, nobody has ever seen one. It seems that nobody ever has sailed into the Atlantic Ocean, where they could SEE a rocket afterwards, or never filmed it, anyway.

Why not? Because if you want to sail into the Atlantic, to see a rocket after it vanishes from view at the launch site, you have to know what the flight path of a rocket is, beforehand. If you don't know where the rocket will cross over the Atlantic, several hours before then, at least, there's no point in sailing out, and that's why nobody ever has sailed out to see a rocket.


If NASA ever told us where to actually see a rocket from Earth, after the first three minutes, since they DO know it's flight path, for Apollo 11, say, there would have been hundreds of ships out in the Atlantic, waiting to see it fly over them. They'd have movie cameras, in hand, ready for the special moment.

And what would they see? A rocket that is spitting out it's last fuel, slanting down to Earth, and finally, crashing into the Atlantic. That's not so good for NASA's image.


The illusion of a rocket flying into 'orbit', is not seeing where it goes afterwards, believing what they say it does out of all sight, and creating another illusion of it flying in 'orbit', later on...with a light moving in the dark skies.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1

Hi Turdonium1,

Been looking for you to show us an edge and answer why you cant use a telescope to see the rockets and satellites.


You keep saying Roundearthers create cgi but you have produced a single thing as proof like after thousands and thousands of years a single picture or even today a single photograph of an edge.

So how big of a flat surface do you think the earth is?
is it a disc or a just a mishaped flat surface?
Are we all on one side?
Do we know if anyone is on the other side?
how thick is the earth?

Please answer with out telling me someone is stopping the evidence surely you have been to the edge.

I've already told you that nobody can travel out to the 'edges' of Earth, and if it WAS possible, how would anyone prove it to you? Since you really like arguing about the 'edge' of Earth, tell me how it could meet your standards of proof. If you have any standards, that is.


When they never tell us where a rocket goes after three minutes, you'll try anything to change the issue.... nice try, but it's not going to work. No matter how you wish it would.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
Popped in to see if any evidence had been produced to show that my video of the ISS shot in Vietnam was not the ISS, but weirdly that doesn't seem to have happened.

Have a some video of spacecraft in space, shot from Earth, by amateurs who knew where it would be because they payt attention to what's publicly available:

spaceflight101.com...

Have some info on other satellites and rockets

skyandtelescope.org...

Looking forward to turbo proving that they are all cgi fakes, including my video, with lots of logically constructed factually supported argument.

A light in the dark skies is not proof of anything, except that there is a light in the sky.

Why have they NEVER told us where to see a rocket from Earth, after it goes over the ocean, out of sight? They have no problem telling us where to see a light in the dark skies, and claim it is the 'ISS', in 'orbit'.

Use your brain for once, man. If it was true, why wouldn't they tell us where to see a rocket, other than at the launch site? Anyone who keeps that a secret, is hiding the truth, or they would tell us where to see it.

Dumping out more 'space' crap doesn't work. They are hiding the rocket's flight paths from us, and you can't admit it, or even address it?

It's your loss, not mine.

originally posted by: turbonium1

I've already told you that nobody can travel out to the 'edges' of Earth, and if it WAS possible, how would anyone prove it to you? Since you really like arguing about the 'edge' of Earth, tell me how it could meet your standards of proof. If you have any standards, that is.

Take a photo or video would be good enough for me

Sorry to say it this way but I believe you are now just trolling us or looking for infamy or are deluded

take care

a reply to: turbonium1

You've been told repeatedly that the location of launches, timing of launches, and subsequent orbital tracks of rockets and their payloads are public knowledge and anyone who cares to put the effort in can see them. You've been given evidence that this is the case. You do not appear willing to put any effort in or provide evidence to prove your point. This is because you have no evidence that supports your ludicrous trolling.

The light in the sky that I posted a video of is the ISS. I provided documentary evidence that it is the ISS. You have done nothing but say "it isn't the ISS because I say so".

Man up. Provide evidence.

originally posted by: turbonium1


Making A Sci-Fi Film On A Microbudget

www.youtube.com...

Tips For Low Budget Sci-Fi Films!

www.youtube.com...

How to Make a SCI-FI with no money!

www.youtube.com...

LMAO your very first video at 1.19 he says and I quote "the whole cool thing about this was being able to incorporate this great history of NASA and all this archival imagery they have where theres photography or video"

So your proof of how easy it is to fake they use NASA archival footage as reference.............DOH!!!!!!!!

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

You've been told repeatedly that the location of launches, timing of launches, and subsequent orbital tracks of rockets and their payloads are public knowledge and anyone who cares to put the effort in can see them. You've been given evidence that this is the case. You do not appear willing to put any effort in or provide evidence to prove your point. This is because you have no evidence that supports your ludicrous trolling.

The light in the sky that I posted a video of is the ISS. I provided documentary evidence that it is the ISS. You have done nothing but say "it isn't the ISS because I say so".

Man up. Provide evidence.

Okay, tell me where to see the next two or three rockets, from somewhere OTHER than the launch sites. So far, all I've seen them do is fly out, over the ocean, and out of sight, I'm sure you can do that, right? I'm sure that people would love to sail out into the Atlantic, on a clear night, or day, and watch it pass above them, no?


Would you not like to see that, too? I would, if I ever had the chance, that's for sure.

I bet a lot of people would love to see that, in fact.

So tell me what the next few rockets flight plans are, and I'll spread the great news around. They'll probably plan special cruises for the event, especially since nobody has ever seen, or filmed, a rocket, after the first three minutes!


I've always wondered why they have never told us where to see a rocket, from the Atlantic, but you say this is public information now, so I can't wait to see it!

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown

originally posted by: turbonium1


Making A Sci-Fi Film On A Microbudget

www.youtube.com...

Tips For Low Budget Sci-Fi Films!

www.youtube.com...

How to Make a SCI-FI with no money!

www.youtube.com...

LMAO your very first video at 1.19 he says and I quote "the whole cool thing about this was being able to incorporate this great history of NASA and all this archival imagery they have where theres photography or video"

So your proof of how easy it is to fake they use NASA archival footage as reference.............DOH!!!!!!!!

NASA's faked footage is no better than the non-NASA faked footage is, in other words. Thanks for pointing that out!

a reply to: turbonium1

Why are you demanding answers you don't want from someone you won't believe? Why ar you gatekeeping the evidence?

You have google, do your own work, I'm tired of spoonfeeding you.

So far, we know a rocket flies about 260 miles in three minutes or so, because that's the part we always see.

The part we have NEVER seen is obviously where it gains 10 x it's present speed, and flies around the entire Earth in only 9 more minutes!

There are no such rockets, which can instantly acquire 10 x more speed, while flying at about 40,000 feet. Although, it's nice to believe in such fantasies being true, once in awhile!

a reply to: turbonium1

It's really not anyone else's job to teach you about basic physics or math. Off the top of my head, I recommend Brilliant.org.

No one cares to answer your question anymore because it's not a smart question. Rockets don't fly "straight-up" and exit the atmosphere because that would be remarkably inefficient, even if it were possible, and it's not.

Pick up a book written sometime in the last century or so.

a reply to: turbonium1

after a strenuous 10 second search i found the really basic condensed flight op, there is enought data here to plot your own flight, do you know maths?
www.ibiblio.org...

originally posted by: turbonium1


NASA's faked footage is no better than the non-NASA faked footage is, in other words. Thanks for pointing that out!

Are you the riddler, thanks for the laughs but you are now talking absolute carp

Enjoy your trolling/delusion/quest for infamy

these threads will be looked back on by future generations and they will pity us for being victim of the great Troll turbonium1

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1

Hi Turdonium1,

Been looking for you to show us an edge and answer why you cant use a telescope to see the rockets and satellites.


You keep saying Roundearthers create cgi but you have produced a single thing as proof like after thousands and thousands of years a single picture or even today a single photograph of an edge.

So how big of a flat surface do you think the earth is?
is it a disc or a just a mishaped flat surface?
Are we all on one side?
Do we know if anyone is on the other side?
how thick is the earth?

Please answer with out telling me someone is stopping the evidence surely you have been to the edge.

I've already told you that nobody can travel out to the 'edges' of Earth, and if it WAS possible, how would anyone prove it to you? Since you really like arguing about the 'edge' of Earth, tell me how it could meet your standards of proof. If you have any standards, that is.


When they never tell us where a rocket goes after three minutes, you'll try anything to change the issue.... nice try, but it's not going to work. No matter how you wish it would.

Look at you ignoring all the real simple questions

YOU said

I've already told you that nobody can travel out to the 'edges' of Earth, and if it WAS possible, how would anyone prove it to you?

here's my answer to your question --

You could show me a picture and then tell me how to get to where the picture was taken so that I can see for myself the ICE WALL with the thousands of never been crossed ice fields.

Can you answer this question?
Lets assume I live in San Francisco USA - how far West would I need to go to get to the ICE WALL?

Remember, I've sailed to Japan from the UK so know the edge isn't between those 2 Countries.

Also where do you live perhaps some kind soul in your neighbourhood would be kind enough to help you go see a rocket and the orbiting satellite in real life thru their telescope.
Perhaps even join a group that can in real life answer your questions.

Please help us to understand your evidence and let us help in real life so you can then work out what is wrong with our perceptions.

After all anyone via the internet could CGI anything in your words so you have to do something in real life, are you brave enough to accept the help?