The flat earth conspiracy

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1

You are hilarious trying to prove you are right by refusing to answer any questions. refusing to provide any proof of anything you claim.


A simple Question we should all ask you every time you post.

Hey turbonium1, where's the edge?

because nothing anyone else here says makes any difference so it's now up to you to provide evidence of an edge.

Nobody can even travel over ice planes that are thousands of miles long, before the edge would ever be reached beyond it, so we cannot prove an edge exists, unless we can reach it, and we cannot reach it, afaik.


Rockets are not like that, however. We can see them fly above Earth, and would see them fly along the way to 'orbit', from Earth. We would see a rocket fly around Earth before it goes into 'orbit', but we don't. That's the problem here.

See your lying if the ice plain exists it starts some where- You can even show where it starts.. You spout off about massive walls of ice but have not 1 picture of such wall..

You don't accept anyone else's argument with hundreds of links and pictures but expect us to take your word for it.

A simple Question we should all ask you every time you post where ever you post.

Hey turdonium1, where's the edge? Even the edge of the ICE will do.

a reply to: puzzled2

While some Flat Earthers really puzzle me and I am a roundy ( and open to flat, fractal etc ), I do love how some of them can extract data/info or simple puzzle piece our history/herstory/mystory so well, point n case >

a reply to: 1320Q17yes

Just clicked on a few random points of the video;

"They just keep on giving things names these #ing scientists"......of course they do, why wouldn't they?

Sorry, I'm not going to take two hours out of my life to watch some thirtysometing weirdo spout that sort of bollocks from his bedroom.

Any sort of brief summary of what he says?

a reply to: 1320Q17yes

hi - i am not watching a 1 h 50min wingnut vid

can you please summaries what yo opine to be the single " best argument " of the vid

and whe shall see how farcical it is

a reply to: turbonium1

To add to all the unanswered questions people are reminding you of: Sydney, Polaris, yadda yadda yadda.

Lol is a lovely 50something human being, expressing himself well and harmonically, takes some humans a long time to learn this simple trait. Comets causing disease, virus, death etc, atmothsnspheres affecting humanity Sorta has a new feel lol, lots of angry energy for a fun thread, this martin fella really gives people oppurtunity to keep open to all views, which has a dimensional feel to me, for one to concept more/next/future/next dimensions , crazeeee can cuddle one.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: 1320Q17yes

Just clicked on a few random points of the video;

"They just keep on giving things names these #ing scientists"......of course they do, why wouldn't they?

Sorry, I'm not going to take two hours out of my life to watch some thirtysometing weirdo spout that sort of bollocks from his bedroom.

Any sort of brief summary of what he says?

a reply to: 1320Q17yes

Not interested in old theories and conjecture interested in a nice picture up to date with instructions on how to find the Edge.

Very simple question -- where's the edge? Even the edge of the ICE will do.

originally posted by: puzzled2

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1

You are hilarious trying to prove you are right by refusing to answer any questions. refusing to provide any proof of anything you claim.


A simple Question we should all ask you every time you post.

Hey turbonium1, where's the edge?

because nothing anyone else here says makes any difference so it's now up to you to provide evidence of an edge.

Nobody can even travel over ice planes that are thousands of miles long, before the edge would ever be reached beyond it, so we cannot prove an edge exists, unless we can reach it, and we cannot reach it, afaik.


Rockets are not like that, however. We can see them fly above Earth, and would see them fly along the way to 'orbit', from Earth. We would see a rocket fly around Earth before it goes into 'orbit', but we don't. That's the problem here.

See your lying if the ice plain exists it starts some where- You can even show where it starts.. You spout off about massive walls of ice but have not 1 picture of such wall..

You don't accept anyone else's argument with hundreds of links and pictures but expect us to take your word for it.

A simple Question we should all ask you every time you post where ever you post.

Hey turdonium1, where's the edge? Even the edge of the ICE will do.

Here's one video showing the ice walls...

www.youtube.com...

And here's a clip that calls it the 'Ross Ice Shelf', and their attempt to explore it....

www.youtube.com...


As they note, this region is vast, and unknown, like I said.


Why don't you ask them why they couldn't keep going south, if you want to know why?


I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about why they've never told us where to see a rocket from Earth, after seeing it at the launch site.


You can't avoid it forever, so man up, and address it for once...

a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry turb, brother has been to Antarctica, flown across on a mission actually to collect a scientist. So Nice try but stealing someone's video of the cracked shelf isn't a good example. You might have heard of the Falkland island and south Georgia. You can visit there if you like.

You said the ice cliffs are all around us so from San Francisco sailing straight West how far until we hit the ice?


Being as I have family in Melbourne Australia and I'm in North America they fly West to go home after a visit and haven't seen this 1,000's of miles of ice. Where on a map would you expect yo find the edge?

You do have a map of Japan and America don't you?
There's an ocean in between and you ice sheet can you please show the location of the edge.

If you really believe the earth is flat you must have better proof surely.


Lets try small steps -- simple questions -- have you ever left you own/home continent?
if yes where did you go from and where did you go to? How did you do it?
if no ...... OMG.

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry turb, brother has been to Antarctica, flown across on a mission actually to collect a scientist. So Nice try but stealing someone's video of the cracked shelf isn't a good example. You might have heard of the Falkland island and south Georgia. You can visit there if you like.

You said the ice cliffs are all around us so from San Francisco sailing straight West how far until we hit the ice?


Being as I have family in Melbourne Australia and I'm in North America they fly West to go home after a visit and haven't seen this 1,000's of miles of ice. Where on a map would you expect yo find the edge?

You do have a map of Japan and America don't you?
There's an ocean in between and you ice sheet can you please show the location of the edge.

If you really believe the earth is flat you must have better proof surely.


Lets try small steps -- simple questions -- have you ever left you own/home continent?
if yes where did you go from and where did you go to? How did you do it?
if no ...... OMG.

You're confused about what I said.

The ice wall, which is actually many smaller walls attached together, making up one, massive boundary of ice around Earth. Our continents are far within it, closest being the southern tip of South America, hundreds of miles away from it. Australia is next closest, but still far away.

What do they say about Antarctica in the video? It's a vast, largely unknown, unexplored region , yes?

It's mostly unknown, and mostly unexplored, after all these years, just as I said.

The edge of Earth is beyond that, but we cannot reach it, and may never reach it, but who knows? I hope we can, someday, in the future. If the 'edge' is not reachable, then God may have meant it to be that way. But, we have no idea.


But I know if someone keeps claiming rockets fly into 'space', or into 'orbit', yet never telling us where to see a rocket from Earth, except at the launch site, where it goes out of sight, then I know something really smells fishy, and I don't understand why you are silent on it.

So why can't you address it?

a reply to: turbonium1

You've been given all the information you shrieked for, repeatedly. Your refusal to look at that information does not invalidate it.

a reply to: turbonium1

what utter surprise - another post that contradicts both itself and its earler blatherings

you are incapable of maintaining a coherent " argument " - so others are bound to be confused

i am simply amused .

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: turbonium1

what utter surprise - another post that contradicts both itself and its earler blatherings

you are incapable of maintaining a coherent " argument " - so others are bound to be confused

i am simply amused .

What is confusing about my question?

Why have they never told us where to see a rocket from Earth, except at the launch site?

It's a simple enough question, is it not? What is hard to understand? Why can't any of you even TRY to answer it?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: turbonium1

what utter surprise - another post that contradicts both itself and its earler blatherings

you are incapable of maintaining a coherent " argument " - so others are bound to be confused

i am simply amused .

What is confusing about my question?

Why have they never told us where to see a rocket from Earth, except at the launch site?

It's a simple enough question, is it not? What is hard to understand? Why can't any of you even TRY to answer it?

You were given the answer, by me. You have had all the information you requested, repeatedly. Over and over and over. Everyone can see how dishonest your responses are.

In your fabricated delusional model, how is this possible:

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: turbonium1

what utter surprise - another post that contradicts both itself and its earler blatherings

you are incapable of maintaining a coherent " argument " - so others are bound to be confused

i am simply amused .

What is confusing about my question?

Why have they never told us where to see a rocket from Earth, except at the launch site?

It's a simple enough question, is it not? What is hard to understand? Why can't any of you even TRY to answer it?

You were given the answer, by me. You have had all the information you requested, repeatedly. Over and over and over. Everyone can see how dishonest your responses are.

In your fabricated delusional model, how is this possible:

Since it doesn't go right through Antarctica, it goes along the coastline of it. No opposite coast exists there, in fact. Why do you think we don't fly over the entire South Pole, if it was actually a direct route, between two southern points?

The entire Earth was explored and mapped centuries ago, with NO continent called 'Antarctica' on it. There was a vast circular barrier around Earth, though. If they mapped every continent on Earth in detail, they also would have mapped the vast circular barrier around the Earth correctly, as well.

But in the last century, they 'discovered' an unknown continent nobody knew was there, only a few hundred miles from South America! I suppose they crossed the Pacific Ocean, 9600 miles across, but couldn't sail 500 miles from the tip of South America, to find out there's some massive continent, which nobody even knew existed!! No. It was only in the last century they 'discovered' it! Sure.


And when they came back, and told us about this vast, unknown, unexplored continent, they said it was almost the size of America, in area! How they ever knew the size of a newly discovered, unknown, unexplored, uncharted continent, is truly amazing indeed!

After 'discovering' a continent, they also knew it's size, which was almost the size of America, although nobody had explored it yet!

When you invent a 'new' continent, and 'discover' it for the first time, you shouldn't tell everyone you know what size it is, because you'll not only reveal yourself as a total liar, you'll also look like an absolute fool, on top of it!

That's your 'Antarctica' for you, a complete joke, and lie, all invented to sell 'space', and 'space travel', which soon was also invented, and sells to this very day.

What did they invent a continent for? They'd already invented a round Earth, centuries before that. But nobody was going to see Earth from 'space' at the time. When they began to invent 'space travel', they had to invent a continent that didn't exist, for their round ball planet.

Just by amazing coincidence, they discovered an unknown continent 500 miles from South America, knew it's size right away, and we were in 'space' soon afterwards, showing Earth as a ball, with a newly discovered continent on it's bottom!

a reply to: turbonium1

Cool story bro. Guess all those people who've sailed round it, built bases on it and walked across it are just making it up:

www.yachtingworld.com...

www.guinnessworldrecords.com...

www.polarcruises.com...

You are desperate beyond words.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

The individual just likes seeing people react to utter BS?

However....

It’s the the individual should be ignored, but the pure flat earth BS regurgitated needs to be exposed for the crap it is.

a reply to: neutronflux

Agree, ignoring if one is being triggered is a great idea, this data given a couple of weeks ago by Martin has little to no Flat Earth within but xlent herstory and mystory to ponder, ignore any flatness and watch and enjoy an open mind >

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Cool story bro. Guess all those people who've sailed round it, built bases on it and walked across it are just making it up:

www.yachtingworld.com...

www.guinnessworldrecords.com...

www.polarcruises.com...

You are desperate beyond words.

I'm not the one who keeps on posting useless and/or fake and/or ridiculously idiotic videos, and saying they are 'proof' of your arguments!

Here you go again, of course...

The first video of a small sailboat that supposedly sailed around an entire 'continent', for the very first time, is another classic.

Let's ignore that nobody, with far sturdier, larger craft, had never once accomplished this amazing feat. Like everything we have heard about Antarctica, the continent 500 miles from South America, which nobody ever saw until this century, after which, they somehow already 'knew' the exact size of it.....and now. we hear about a little sailboat, that amazingly sailed around the entire 'continent', for the first time ever!!

At least it fits right into their whole 'Antarctica' fable, that's for sure.

They didn't seem to care about proving their historical achievement, though. If you are attempting to be the first humans to ever circumnavigate a 'continent', it's probably important to show all the evidence possible, with videos and images of the voyage, throughout, and show where the land/ice markers are, whenever possible, because showing nothing but the oceans around the vessel is not going to do it.

I don't know why you keep thinking these videos are proving anything at all, but I'll keep on explaining why they don't, and while you'll never understand why not, at least others will know these videos fail to support your arguments.

Your other two links show nothing at all to support your claim, so I have no idea why you posted them either.

Maybe you think if you post more and more links, and useless videos, others will assume they must prove the Earth is round, because most people wouldn't think someone would keep on posting crap videos?


You've been hiding from my question for some time now, despite my repeating the question over an over again. I've been asking for ANYONE to address the question, repeatedly, and nobody has ever answered it, or even tried to address the issue. (Saying they are flying up with parts for the 'ISS" is not answering the question, btw)


You obviously must know they've never told us the flight path for a rocket, after the launch, and have never SHOWN any of their actual flight paths, either. Anyone should have enough intelligence to realize that if rockets fly into 'orbit', it makes no sense, in any way, to keep it a secret.....right?

So the only possible reason they DO hide it from us, every single time, is because rockets have NEVER flown into 'orbit, and they obviously won't tell us where to see their rockets from Earth, except at the launch site, when the only thing we'd see are the rockets burning out all their fuel, over the Atlantic, and crashing into the sea.

That would kinda destroy the whole illusion, and they know it, of course, so they never tell us where to see it from the Atlantic, and never show a flight path for a rocket, either the planned path, or the actual path.


If someone told you they had a time machine, and you saw him disappear in his time machine, after a puff of smoke obscured your sight of him, would you go away believing he had a time machine?

If he later showed you photos he took in 16th century London, with him and others in the images, would that 'confirm' he had a real time machine to you? What if he showed thousands of other photos he took, over centuries before, and centuries in future, showing him, and other people, in the photos? Maybe he had a few 'very convincing' videos as well...

Would you believe it was true, if all the scientists said it was a genuine time machine, after they told us how it was thoroughly examined?

Maybe after the media says it's true, and is taught in schools, as being the world's first genuine 'time machine'?

Because all they EVER show us is a person in a 'time machine', who vanishes from our sight, in a puff of smoke.


Would you want to see what happens all around the time machine, below the floor where the time machine sits, at the moment he vanishes, to make sure it is not a trick? I'm sure you would.

When something goes out of our sight, whether in a time machine, or over the Atlantic, there is absolutely nothing that proves the entire claim is true.

However, the worst part is - when they refuse to SHOW you what happens behind the time machine, or over the Atlantic, why would you still believe it was true?

What do you think about never seeing a single FLIGHT PATH of a rocket after the launch? They show us piles and piles of documents on Apollo, and somehow, they don't show us any of their flight paths after they launch?

I'm sure they must have flight paths for their rockets, correct?

Why would they keep them all a secret? Why would they never tell us where to see a rocket from Earth after launch?

They have always been secrets, and always will be secrets.


In fact, to believe that rockets fly into 'orbit', is much worse than believing a time machine would be genuine. Because they only have to make people forget about looking behind the time machine, and it would work. For rockets, they have to make people forget about what happens after the launch, why they don't tell us where to see it from Earth after launch, and hope nobody wonders why they've never shown a single flight path after they launch!


People would easily believe a time machine works, if they believe rockets fly into 'orbit'!

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

The individual just likes seeing people react to utter BS?

However....

It’s the the individual should be ignored, but the pure flat earth BS regurgitated needs to be exposed for the crap it is.

Ignoring one simple question doesn't really make for a very convincing argument on your side, anyway.

You can just ignore whatever problems you can't explain, it doesn't matter to me. I'm not going to convince someone who is in such denial of reality, to hide from simple questions like this.

Sad.