The flat earth conspiracy

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: turbonium1

Neither is mine, Are we all lying to you?

OR

Are we all fools?

which do you believe, in fact i think my question is easier as it requires just your words on this forum as opposed to science or videos.

So please give us a straight answer, are we liars or fools

Your "simple question" expects me to read your minds, and tell whether or not you are lying, or a fool, which isn't exactly 'simple'.

If you are lying, or blind to the reality, or in denial of it, or have some sort of underlying agenda, nobody knows, but you.

The number of people who believe we landed on the moon are not 'all lying', or 'all fools', either. Most of them don't even care about the issue. They were taught about the moon landings in school, they see films of it all the time on TV shows, and they read about how it happened 50 years ago, and that's it.

Other people have heard about the moon landing as a hoax, but don't really care if it was a hoax or not. So they don''t study it further, and if they were to answer whether or not the moon landings were a hoax, they might say they don't know, or say it was real, if others are around at the time, who DO say it was real.

Millions of people are not lying, they are not fools, either. Does that help you understand it has absolutely no relevance to these issues? I hope so.



Now that I've addressed you question, please address the question I asked you. I'll assume you are not a liar, nor a fool, and can answer my question honestly, just as I done for your question, here.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

You have been given more than enough, I'm not wasting my time repeating myself. You can either provide some actual evidence of your own or you can provide a logically constructed evidence backed critique of what you've been given.

Calorie free word salad in 3..2..1..

So nobody has ever seen a rocket fly past the launch site, over the ocean, and somehow, you think it's not relevant? When you claim rockets fly into 'orbit', you should at least prove they fly higher than an airplane. Saying it HAS been filmed, many times, with videos that show a rocket flying no higher than a plane, or videos taken from the, ahem...'rockets', is not proof, as I've told you over and over.

Your entire argument, about rockets, and space travel, and moon landings, and the Earth being a ball, flying through space....is based on rockets actually fly into 'orbit', or 'space'.

When they claim thousands of rockets have gone into 'orbit', or 'space', the very FIRST thing that should be proven, is to see, and film, FROM EARTH, all of those rockets flying higher than airplanes, until they are a mere speck in the sky - WHEREVER THAT IS, WHENEVER THAT IS, does not matter. If a rocket actually flies into 'orbit', then we should have seen and filmed hundreds of them above Earth, higher than a plane, appearing as a speck.

But we don't even KNOW where to see any of these rockets from Earth, going higher than a plane, looking like a small speck in the sky, because THEY HAVE NEVER ONCE MENTIONED WHERE TO SEE A ROCKET FROM EARTH, except from the launch sites!

We haven't seen it, we haven't filmed it, and they have never told us WHERE to see or film it. That's utterly absurd, and you know it. Would you ever believe something like that, if it wasn't from your precious NASA, or some 'expert'?

If I claimed my car was able to go 500 mph, but I only showed you it going 80 mph, would you believe me? Of course not. When NASA claims a rocket flies into 'orbit', but only shows you it flying at 40,000 feet, why do you suddenly believe NASA's claims are true?

Because they show you other things, which you think is 'proof' of it. A light moving in the dark skies at the exact time NASA said the 'ISS' would fly over you, in 'orbit', for example. That's 'proof' to you! Who could ever make objects move above you which cannot be seen or identified, because it always flies above you in the dark of night? NASA couldn't make lights move above Earth at night, and say it's the ISS, of course not!

As I've told you before, this is exactly how illusionists perform their tricks, only on a smaller scale.

The first step is showing something is real. A rocket is real, and really flies above Earth.

The next step is making the real object vanish from view - such as putting it behind a curtain, or flying it over the ocean. In both cases, the real object is gone from all view.

The last step is to convince people that the real object we all saw, at first, is now doing something truly 'magical' - maybe it is levitating above the stage, or it is flying in 'orbit'. Strings that cannot be seen from a distance make it levitate in air. A moving light at night, so nobody can even see or identify it, is something in 'orbit', because they said it would fly above you at that exact time!


The ocean is, of course, NASA's 'magic curtain'. Rockets vanish from sight, and later on, they suddenly appear to us, as lights that move above us, in a pitch black sky!


Why would a magician need a curtain, why would he put the object behind the curtain, unless he is hiding something?

NASA's curtain is the ocean, but it works exactly the same way.

If we saw what happened behind the curtain, the whole illusion would be revealed, right?

If we saw what happened to rockets after they flew over the ocean, out of sight, the whole illusion would be revealed, and that's what I keep telling you.


Nobody has ever seen what happens to these thousands of rockets after the first three minutes, but you still believe rockets fly into 'orbit', because they say so. If you lights moving in the sky at night, and NASA says something is in 'orbit' at that time, you are convinced of it.

Without seeing a rocket from Earth, fly higher than planes, appearing as a speck in the sky, there is absolutely no proof of their claims being true. And they will certainly never tell you where to see one, either. It would ruin your whole fantasy!

originally posted by: Akragon

You just don't get it, do you?

Why are you showing me yet another rocket flying no higher than a plane, for less than 2 minutes?


Are you hoping that people will assume rockets fly into 'orbit', if you keep on posting videos of rockets, that never fly higher than airplanes, and cut out in three minutes or so, at most?


What else would you be doing here, except to promote your fantasy to others, who might drop in? Do you hope they see you posting videos of rockets, and don't bother seeing them, or don't realize they fly no higher than airplanes, and cut out after the first three minutes, and simply accept them as 'proof', like you do?


This is very bizarre behavior, whatever the reason for it, that's for sure.

a reply to: turbonium1

Blah...Blah...Blah....

a reply to: turbonium1

Did you see the "little speck" in the top video?

No wait... cgi right?

a reply to: turbonium1

despite your deranged rantings - yes rocket - and aircraft flights have been demonstrated to you

now - to address your ATTEMPTED reply to my post - why did you not address a single thing i actually said ???

you have never addressed any of the topics i list - with any sort of coherent response

and as for polaris :

Why would you expect to see Polaris from anywhere on flat surface? Because it's flat? The surface of Earth is far too large, and Polaris is far too low above Earth, to ever see it from everywhere below. I've explained that repeatedly, but you still have no clue about it

meanwhile in the real world - sat on an oblate spheroid - polaris is visible in the northern hemisphere - and has been used for centuries for navigation

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Did you see the "little speck" in the top video?

No wait... cgi right?

Airplanes look like little specks, from far away, just the same as rockets do, just before they vanish from sight, over the ocean.

If you have no clue about what I'm talking about - as usual - I'm saying that your rocket is flying no higher than an airplane, in the distance, and they will only appear as little specks, BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE DISTANCE.

Now, for the last time - I'm talking about seeing a rocket fly ABOVE us, appearing as a speck in the sky, because it is higher than an airplane. Not in the far distance, at plane altitudes.


Do you finally get it? I feel like I'm talking to a 6 year old child here, not an actual adult! Everything I tell you is either completely misunderstood, or twisted around, or ignored. Use your brain, and give an honest answer for once, if you can.

a reply to: turbonium1

no I got it a looong time ago man...


one final question... IF you didn't believe in the bible.. would you still believe the world was flat?

cheers

a reply to: turbonium1

….I feel like I'm talking to a 6 year old child here,....

You obviously don't see the irony in you saying that?

a reply to: turbonium1

its amazing - how the observed size of the sun and moon do not change - in this falt earther fantasy

a reply to: turbonium1

So you cant even answer what you believe we are, seems strange, just be honest, i know i wont be offended if you call me a fool or a liar, as it will just be your opinion, which is all i want to know

so please am i lying to you or have i been foolish in my belief the earth is round ?(forget moon landings for now) just a 1 word answer, please, please, please

a reply to: turbonium1

The only thing flat earthers fear.....is sphere itself

a reply to: turbonium1

You've already been supplied with links showing a Saturn V separating at 31 miles above the ground, and links showing rockets and satellites in space tracked from the ground. Stop pretending you haven't.

Your analogy is useless. When a plane disappears from view it's still a plane. It doesn't suddenly stop existing just because I can't see it any more and it doesn't existing if I declare that I don't beieve it can fly. If I decide it's impossible for planes to fly they won't suddenly stop working.

An idiot flat earther died today, but at least he was prepared to put some effort in to trying to prove his point. You don't have the courage to look for, or at, evidence of any kind.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

no I got it a looong time ago man...


one final question... IF you didn't believe in the bible.. would you still believe the world was flat?

cheers

It's all based on evidence, that's all that matters to me.

The Bible confirms the evidence is valid, as well.

Von Braun, the world's top authority on rocketry, the first head of NASA itself, and the creator of the Saturn V rocket, had no reason to lie about the existence of the firmament. In fact, he felt it was so important to tell the world about the firmament being real, he referred to it, on his very tombstone!

So you can disagree with the man who created the Saturn V, he knew far better than you, or anyone else, whether or not the firmament really exists.

It's ironic that you dismiss his words so easily, when it contradicts your belief system!

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: turbonium1

its amazing - how the observed size of the sun and moon do not change - in this falt earther fantasy

This works with the flat Earth argument, but not for the ball Earth fantasy!

For your argument, to have the Sun and moon appear to be virtually the same size, you put the Sun 93 million miles away from Earth, and put the moon 1/4 million miles away from Earth, just to make them 'appear' to be the same size from Earth!!

But worse, only those two objects are even SEEN above Earth, except for much smaller stars, and 'planets', of course!

The odds of the only two objects above Earth being the exact same size, and shape, are virtually non-existent, in your absurd argument. They ARE the same size, that's why they APPEAR the same size. No crazy, far-fetched excuses work here.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

You've already been supplied with links showing a Saturn V separating at 31 miles above the ground, and links showing rockets and satellites in space tracked from the ground. Stop pretending you haven't.

Your analogy is useless. When a plane disappears from view it's still a plane. It doesn't suddenly stop existing just because I can't see it any more and it doesn't existing if I declare that I don't beieve it can fly. If I decide it's impossible for planes to fly they won't suddenly stop working.

When nobody has seen a rocket above them, as a speck, that's the whole problem.

Why haven't they ever told us WHERE to see a rocket from Earth, after they launch, and fly out of sight?

Why can't you address this question, for once? Don't you even wonder why they've never told us before?

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
a reply to: turbonium1

So you cant even answer what you believe we are, seems strange, just be honest, i know i wont be offended if you call me a fool or a liar, as it will just be your opinion, which is all i want to know

so please am i lying to you or have i been foolish in my belief the earth is round ?(forget moon landings for now) just a 1 word answer, please, please, please

Who cares if you're liar or a fool, anyway? It's totally irrelevant to this issue.

The issue is that nobody has ever seen, or filmed, a rocket above them, in the sky, higher than an airplane, and they've never told us WHERE to see a rocket above us, higher than an airplane, which makes no sense at all, if the rockets DO fly into 'orbit'!

Why can't you address this question, honestly?

originally posted by: turbonium1

Why can't you address this question, honestly?

Ergo you think I am a liar then, why cant you just be honest, you think we are all lying to you

Sorry you felt the need for caps

Stay sane, do you know anyone within your family you can trust? or do they lie to you and say the earth is round? any friends that are honest with you or do they lie to you also?