The flat earth conspiracy

a reply to: seagull

Surprise, surprise.

Looks like we were both right.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

Thanks!

Hmmm, no gravity. Kooky! 😂

Point taken on the troll job. It would have to be this because otherwise this is really really scary. 😱

a reply to: GoldenBrain71

Hes not a troll actually...

Flat earthers are morons... thats all really

QFT

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Yawn*
If only perhaps the authorities warned members of the public when launches (that are highly visible and free to attend) happened! Wouldn't that be a good idea!
And that was the result of about a ten second search on Google.
Turbo, old fruitcake, get some better material because right now we're all getting bored.
*Yawn*

I'm not talking about launches, or a few minutes of flying, I'm talking about AFTER that, when nobody sees it, or films it!!

The V2 rocket did the same thing, back in WWII....

Except they dropped on land, and they never claimed it flew into 'orbit', or 'space'!

You already know what I'm referring to here, so playing dumb, again and again, is simply not going to make it go away.

originally posted by: GoldenBrain71
Wow, this was hard to read. Turbo guy, you’re not grasping a few things me thinks. I’m going to jump in with focus on only one object in space, make a point and jump out, so no need to reply to me mr turbo.

Other than initially being lifted into orbit, the ISS does not propel itself forward unless to make adjustments to its orbit. This is useful for avoiding other objects in orbit.

The ISS is actually falling around this big ball (earth) the entire time it’s up there. What? I know, it’s a trip man, but it’s true!

The reason the ISS doesn’t fall straight down quickly is because at the same time as it’s falling it’s also moving forward at a very high rate of speed, so it only falls toward earth incrementally, or if moving fast enough it can actually maintain altitude, or equilibrium in a nice cozy orbit for which I presume it’s inhabitants are very thankful.

We've never seen them fly up, until they are a mere speck in the sky, which would be easy to prove, easy to film, from the Earth itself.....if it was true.

All you see is a light in the dark of night, moving along...

Are you saying they would not be able to fake it? If you are, why do you believe that? This would be quite simple to fake, no?

Rockets are not shown, or filmed, FROM EARTH, going up, until they are a speck in the sky above Earth, which cannot make sense, if they go into 'orbit', as claimed....

So NASA launches a Saturn V rocket, supposedly going to the moon.

NASA says they are 'tracking' the Saturn V, all throughout the mission, as we know.


That means NASA knows where the Saturn V flies after it goes over the ocean, out of sight from the launch area, where all of the people were, where it was filmed from, and nobody saw it after that point, and nobody filmed it, either, from that point onward.


Announcing the milestone event to the world, which we can see, in person, if we wish to...

Why wouldn't they want us to see it, along the way to the moon, from all over the world? Who buys this nonsense?

a reply to: turbonium1

Why do you lie? Why do you claim things aren't seen when they are? I use the word 'lie' carefully' and deliberately because you repeatedly make this claim and you have been repeatedly shown that it is not true. You know that your claim is false but you continue to repeat it. Have some launch images from last weekend:

scitechdaily.com...



Go search the facebook group 'Space Hipsters' for countless launch videos and photos taken by amateurs.

Video showing Apollo 8 staging:



Staging occurs at about 31 miles altitude.

31 miles. Where do you think it went from there?

Have a page showing images of Apollo craft taken from the ground:

pages.astronomy.ua.edu...

Apollo, when in orbit, changed tracking stations every 10 or 15 minutes. Those stations were in Spain, Madagascar. Australia, California and on board ships in the Pacific. All fully documented, all publicly available information.

a reply to: turbonium1

So, yet again; What is the point of this 'nonsense'?
Why the great lie that must involve literally thousands and thousands of people from the most powerful politicians and leaders, the most eminently qualified academics, heaven knows how many science graduates and students, teachers, amateur astronomers, pilots, engineers etcetera, etcetera to even simpletons like myself who can understand the science and the facts behind this apparent great hoax?
Why the massive conspiracy?
Who gains anything?

a reply to: Freeborn

religion does... specifically fanatical literalists...

the worst breed of them all..

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

Why do you lie? Why do you claim things aren't seen when they are? I use the word 'lie' carefully' and deliberately because you repeatedly make this claim and you have been repeatedly shown that it is not true. You know that your claim is false but you continue to repeat it. Have some launch images from last weekend:

scitechdaily.com...

Go search the facebook group 'Space Hipsters' for countless launch videos and photos taken by amateurs.

Video showing Apollo 8 staging:

Staging occurs at about 31 miles altitude.

31 miles. Where do you think it went from there?

Have a page showing images of Apollo craft taken from the ground:

pages.astronomy.ua.edu...

Apollo, when in orbit, changed tracking stations every 10 or 15 minutes. Those stations were in Spain, Madagascar. Australia, California and on board ships in the Pacific. All fully documented, all publicly available information.

You don't get it. Launch videos are not relevant. Show me a rocket - viewed from Earth - as a speck in the sky above us.

We've never seen, or filmed, one rocket that goes up until it's a tiny speck in the sky. Can you even understand what I'm asking you for here? Are you just trying to avoid it?


Do you believe rockets fly into 'orbit' -

How could these rockets ever reach 'orbit', without being seen as a tiny speck in the sky, at some point?

Do you suggest they would not appear like a tiny speck in the sky, when going up towards 'orbit'? If so, why do you think so?

If you don't, then why do you think we haven't seen one, ever?

You think we HAVE seen it, and filmed it, right?

If only it were true, which it isn't.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turbonium1

So, yet again; What is the point of this 'nonsense'?
Why the great lie that must involve literally thousands and thousands of people from the most powerful politicians and leaders, the most eminently qualified academics, heaven knows how many science graduates and students, teachers, amateur astronomers, pilots, engineers etcetera, etcetera to even simpletons like myself who can understand the science and the facts behind this apparent great hoax?
Why the massive conspiracy?
Who gains anything?

Besides raking in billions of dollars, you mean?

It's about money, prestige, honor, so forth. A well-paid career, if you say the right things, do the right things, as we have said they are, no doubts or you lose everything, so don't be a fool, and you'll be rich and famous some day!

Pilots know they don't adjust for curvature, some don't know why not, some know why not, but cannot say so in public, or they are toast. It's off limits, simple as that.

What you believe is that if anyone knew about the Earth being flat, or that nobody landed on the moon, nobody flew into 'orbit', or into 'spece', when most people believe all of that is true, and someone who doubts any of it, is stupid, or crazy, or a liar, wants to get rich from a book deal, loves the attention, likes to stir people up over it, and many other reasons he/she says it.

Anything they are saying can't be true, believed by most of them as true, except by a fool, or those without knowledge, those who know, but pretend not to know, for some reason...


Only on this little forum, what happens? Anyone like myself, who would dare to speak about anything as not true, with evidence to support my arguments, gets attacked for my opinions, what I believe, or don't believe, merely by having an opposing view, even when I present valid evidence for it.

And here you don't believe anyone would not speak out on such issues, risking far more than a few insults on a forum? Not a chance, buddy.


What is the reason nobody raises another opinion? It is suicide, for a career, for money, for all sorts of things beyond that.

What is the goal, the purpose, for this?

To become God, first of all. Power and worship as God, too. Controlling the world.

Making people believe the world is a ball, flying through space, removes God, his words, as true. Our 'true' gods have shown the reality, we shall praise them, trust their word as truth, and never doubt them, or be scorned and mocked as a fool, a liar, a heretic.

Sound familiar?

a reply to: turbonium1

You obviously didn't bother clicking the links, as usual, because they show you exactly what you're asking. You demand evidence, refuse to look at it when you get it, deny you ever had it and refuse to supply any of your own because it's rude of people to ask. Hypocrite.

Here's a short video of the ISS:



It was taken on the 16th of September last year, by me, in Hoi An, Vietnam.

In case you're going to deny that, here's my facebook post of it when I filmed it:

and if you plug the date and time into this website:

www.isstracker.com...

here's where the ISS was:

Well I'll be, Vietnam, and also visible for several hundred miles either side of where I was.

Now feel free to provide me with any kind of evidence that what I saw was not the ISS. You can't just deny that it was, because you weren't there. Evidence, any time you like, that that is not the ISS and that it is not in orbit around the Earth

a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry mate, just doesn't wash with me.
You've offered no evidence at all to support your theories.

Its just far too wide a 'conspiracy' and there is an absolute mountain of evidence that proves the earth is spheroid and NOT flat.

You shouldn't be attacked for your opinions but its hard to understand and respect your viewpoint in light of your constant refusal to acknowledge evidence when it is supplied time and time again and in such a fashion that even an uneducated bumpkin like myself can understand it.

I have no doubt there are plenty of conspiracies, some even on an international scale, and also have no doubt that many, if not the vast majority, of these are all about power, control and money.
The earth being round is most definitely NOT one of those conspiracies.

originally posted by: turbonium1

It's about money, prestige, honor, so forth. A well-paid career, if you say the right things, do the right things, as we have said they are, no doubts or you lose everything, so don't be a fool, and you'll be rich and famous some day!

Very very very few people in the field of scientific research get anything close to rich and famous.

Pilots know they don't adjust for curvature, some don't know why not, some know why not, but cannot say so in public, or they are toast. It's off limits, simple as that.

They don't have to adjust, the plane does it for them by following the ground. It is not a subject that is off limits, it's just that pilots know the Earth is a sphere.

What you believe is that if anyone knew about the Earth being flat, or that nobody landed on the moon, nobody flew into 'orbit', or into 'spece', when most people believe all of that is true, and someone who doubts any of it, is stupid, or crazy, or a liar, wants to get rich from a book deal, loves the attention, likes to stir people up over it, and many other reasons he/she says it.

You pretty much nailed your presence here.

Anything they are saying can't be true, believed by most of them as true, except by a fool, or those without knowledge, those who know, but pretend not to know, for some reason...

Only on this little forum, what happens? Anyone like myself, who would dare to speak about anything as not true, with evidence to support my arguments, gets attacked for my opinions, what I believe, or don't believe, merely by having an opposing view, even when I present valid evidence for it.

You have never, ever, not once, presented valid evidence for any of the ridiculous threads you've spammed over the years. Easrlier in this thread you were complaining that people were demanding it from you. You have steadfastly ignored every piece of actual valid evidence you've been given by either coming up with some spurious excuse as to why it isn't good enough or simply pretending it isn't there.

And here you don't believe anyone would not speak out on such issues, risking far more than a few insults on a forum? Not a chance, buddy.


What is the reason nobody raises another opinion? It is suicide, for a career, for money, for all sorts of things beyond that.

What is the goal, the purpose, for this?

To become God, first of all. Power and worship as God, too. Controlling the world.

Making people believe the world is a ball, flying through space, removes God, his words, as true. Our 'true' gods have shown the reality, we shall praise them, trust their word as truth, and never doubt them, or be scorned and mocked as a fool, a liar, a heretic.

Sound familiar?

You are not a heroic warrior battling for the truth. You just aren't. You wouldn't recognise the truth if smacked you around the ears. Stop deluding yourself.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: turbonium1

You obviously didn't bother clicking the links, as usual, because they show you exactly what you're asking. You demand evidence, refuse to look at it when you get it, deny you ever had it and refuse to supply any of your own because it's rude of people to ask. Hypocrite.

Here's a short video of the ISS:

It was taken on the 16th of September last year, by me, in Hoi An, Vietnam.

In case you're going to deny that, here's my facebook post of it when I filmed it:

and if you plug the date and time into this website:

www.isstracker.com...

here's where the ISS was:

Well I'll be, Vietnam, and also visible for several hundred miles either side of where I was.

Now feel free to provide me with any kind of evidence that what I saw was not the ISS. You can't just deny that it was, because you weren't there. Evidence, any time you like, that that is not the ISS and that it is not in orbit around the Earth

Feel free to show any evidence it WAS the ISS!!

As I've told you over and over, the only thing you see is a light, moving in the sky. NASA tells you it is ISS in 'orbit' (who figured?) and you buy it all up.

Since you're keep bringing up the ISS as 'evidence', let's go over it...

Here's the first rocket that supposedly was the core of the ISS, in 1998. A Proton rocket...

www.youtube.com...

About 20 seconds of a rocket going up! Pretty convincing, no?

Here's the second launch, in 1998, by Unity, on the Space Shuttle..

www.youtube.com...

About a minute of the Space Shuttle going up, and veering sideways, and that's it.

Another very convincing video, no doubt...

The third launch, Zvezda, in 2000...

www.youtube.com...

Less than 10 second of a rocket flying up, that's even better!

Fourth launch, in 2000, with the STS-92..

www.youtube.com...

About 2 1/2 minutes of footage this time. The rocket - as usual - launches straight up, and veers off sideways.

It is still flying sideways when the footage cuts out, for absolutely no reason, because why would they want to film more than a couple of minutes of such an event?!?


Fifth segment (P6 truss) is launched on STS-97, in 2000...

www.youtube.com...

As usual, rocket goes up, and veers sideways.

Watch it from the 25:00 mark, flickering away, until it completely vanishes at the 25:31 mark, still flying sideways.

Why wouldn't they zoom in on it, like they did earlier? Even a half-wit would do it, but not the geniuses at NASA!!

Why does it suddenly vanish? Look at the footage up to that point. The flickering is from the rocket losing fuel. At first, the light is round, and steady. A bit later, the light starts to expand, at random. It becomes more radical, along the way. And finally, the fuel is spent, and the light suddenly is gone, in an instant. The rocket has lost all fuel, but since the launch took place at night, we cannot see it.

Now you know why they usually show films of rockets for a bit longer at night, than they can show them during day launches. If the STS-97 was launched in daylight, they would have cut the footage before it ran out of fuel, and we saw it plummet down, into the ocean.


These are the first 5 rockets that supposedly went into 'orbit', and joined together, to create your ISS.


NASA tells you where to see a light above Earth for several hours, in 'orbit', but they can't tell you where you could see a single rocket after a couple of minutes?

This is ridiculous, and you know it. If the rockets DO fly into 'orbit', they would tell us where to see it along the way, from Earth. Because it would be seen, from Earth, just like your ISS is supposedly seen from Earth, all the time.



You show a light in the sky, and think that's 'proof' of something? Who is that stupid?


Tell me why they have never told us where to see any of their rockets after the first 3 minutes.....

Why don't you address this question?

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry mate, just doesn't wash with me.
You've offered no evidence at all to support your theories.

Its just far too wide a 'conspiracy' and there is an absolute mountain of evidence that proves the earth is spheroid and NOT flat.

You shouldn't be attacked for your opinions but its hard to understand and respect your viewpoint in light of your constant refusal to acknowledge evidence when it is supplied time and time again and in such a fashion that even an uneducated bumpkin like myself can understand it.

I have no doubt there are plenty of conspiracies, some even on an international scale, and also have no doubt that many, if not the vast majority, of these are all about power, control and money.
The earth being round is most definitely NOT one of those conspiracies.

Then show me one video of a rocket, taken from Earth, that shows it until it is a speck in the sky. Just one video will do.
When you find out that no such videos exist, which you will, then tell me what sort of 'evidence' I am supposed ot acknowledge here.

Tell me why NASA has never told us where to even SEE a rocket fly beyond three minutes, if you can.

Apparently, over 35,000 rockets in total, have launched into 'space'. If you really believe we couldn't see one, or film one, or have NASA, or whoever, TELL us where to see one, you should use your brain, your own common sense, because you would never believe such crap as this, if you did.


To prove a rocket goes into 'space', you simply SEE it, or FILM it - FROM EARTH - flying up, until it is a speck in the sky, and finally flies out of our sight, and then, the only way we would be able to SEE it, or FILM it, is through magnification.


All rockets veer off, over the ocean, completely of all sight, in about 2 or 3 minutes. That's it. Nothing else is ever seen of it.

'Well, folks, you can't see it, or film it, and we won't tell you where to see it, or film it, after it goes over the ocean, lower than cruising altitudes. But let me tell you all, that rocket really flies into 'orbit', a few minutes afterwards. Don't worry about not seeing it, we'll show you a light that moves above Earth in the dark of night, later on, and tell you where to see it, and this will 'prove' to you it is in 'orbit'!''



Come on man, use your brain here.

The most continual footage we've seen of a rocket, after it launches off, is about 3 minutes, or so. Nothing is ever shown beyond that point. Every single film cuts out before the rocket even goes out of view, other than when it is seen as a light at night, when it vanishes, after 3 minutes or so.


All of the rockets are last seen flying almost horizontally, when they go out of view. Their altitude is lower than cruising altitude, or about 35-50,000 feet altitude. Nobody can dispute these facts. It's seen from countless videos, over the decades, as we know.


They claim rockets like the Saturn V flew completely around the Earth once, after launching from Earth, before they reached 'orbit'. And they claim it was done in about 11-12 minutes time, after launch.

If you really want to look at the evidence, then look at the launch videos of rockets like the Saturn V, for example.

One video shows a Saturn V rocket flying for about 3 minutes time, from launch, to when the video is cut, for no possible reason, other than they didn't want to show more of it past that point.

If the Saturn V is still visible, which we see it is, on film, after about 3 minutes, do you really believe it could fly around the entire Earth in the next 8-9 minutes? How far would you estimate the Saturn V has flown, when we last see it, after about 3 minutes or so, on the video?

We know it can be seen, and filmed, from the launch point, for at least 3 minutes, because we see it on videos. We could certainly see it for longer than that, but since they all cut out footage from that point, for no possible reason, there is no 'evidence' of it. Since you want to see evidence, why don't you explain why they not show footage after that point, when the rocket is still visible? Do you think that makes any sense? It doesn't, and everyone here knows it.


Anyway, let's be very generous, and say the Saturn V we see after 3 minutes, has flown 1000 miles away from the launch site. That's a ludicrous estimate, just to help make my point very clear, beyond any doubt.

Earth is claimed to be about 24,000 miles in circumference, at least.

If the Saturn V has flown 1000 miles in 3 minutes, it still must fly another 23,000, to go once around Earth, within the next 8-9 minutes, right?

Even if it flew 1000 miles on those three minutes, it would take over an hour to fly around the world once. 3 x 24 , is 72 minutes total time.

Of course, they claim it flies much, much faster, but we don't see it, there's no film of it taken from Earth, and they've never told us WHERE to see or film it, either!


If you saw a video of a new sports car, driving down a highway at 90 mph, for about 3 minutes, when they suddenly cut the footage, while the car was still visible....And then, they claimed the car went from LA to NYC in 12 minutes time, would you believe it, or would you say it is complete BS?

You would say it is complete BS, right?

If they showed you a video of the car in NYC, later on, would that convince you it was true? Not a chance, right?

And, you would also know that if it WAS true, then they would have filmed it, start to finish, right? Sure, because it's easy to film it. You would know they have absolutely no excuse for NOT filming it, right?

If you know what I'm saying here, you should certainly know that rockets would certainy be seen, and filmed, on Earth, for more than the first three minutes, right?


If you don't have the courage to admit it, at least you know it is true, and that's what matters most of all.

a reply to: turbonium1

If you don't have the courage to admit it, at least you know it is true, and that's what matters most of all.

I assure you, the last thing anyone could accuse me of is being lacking in courage.

What utter codswallop!

Rockets don't just simply go straight up, they obviously alter course/direction in order to follow their sometimes very complex and varied flight paths, pretty bloody obvious to me!

I know how you can PROVE the earth is flat; go to the edge of the world and jump off, all on live feed.

originally posted by: turbonium1

They claim rockets like the Saturn V flew completely around the Earth once, after launching from Earth, before they reached 'orbit'. And they claim it was done in about 11-12 minutes time, after launch.

here is the timeline of the launch, where does it state 11-12 mins

Apollo 11 Moon Landing Timeline: From Liftoff to Splashdown

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turbonium1

If you don't have the courage to admit it, at least you know it is true, and that's what matters most of all.

I assure you, the last thing anyone could accuse me of is being lacking in courage.

What utter codswallop!

Rockets don't just simply go straight up, they obviously alter course/direction in order to follow their sometimes very complex and varied flight paths, pretty bloody obvious to me!

Why do you all keep saying the same crap, about rockets not going straight up, as if that's what I'm arguing here?!?

We all know rockets do not go straight up, that's not relevant here.

I already know that you are saying rockets have to fly around Earth laterally, before they can fly into 'orbit', and for argument's sake, I have assumed that is true, so you cannot use it as an excuse.

So you use it as an excuse, anyway!!




What I'm telling you is that nobody has ever seen , or filmed, a rocket, from Earth, that becomes so high above Earth, it looks like a small speck in the sky above us. We'd have seen many rockets fly up, until they are a mere speck in the sky, if they really went into 'orbit', in about 12 minutes, so it is a blatantly obvious problem we've never seen one, or filmed one, as a speck in the sky.....except to you, and your group, who ignore it, completely. Hoping to make it go away won't help you, no matter how much you try.


Look - if rockets take 12 minutes flying around Earth, before they go into 'orbit', wouldn't you think we'd have seen it, and filmed it, for more than the first THREE minutes, every time?

A rocket launches, and if you believe we couldn't film it, ever, for over the first three minutes, from the launch site, you need a reality check.

Where would this make sense in any other scenario? Someone shows you a car going 80 mph for the first 3 minutes, and tells you the other 9 minutes aren't shown, but that's when the car was going 500 mph on the freeway. Nobody would believe such crap, so why do you believe it when they claim rockets fly into 'orbit'? You have never seen it, you have never seen any film of it, taken on Earth, you know they haven't told us WHERE to see it, which is absurd, since you must realize that they would have no reason NOT to tell us.


What will it take, before you finally start to see how utterly ridiculous, and farcical, this is?