The flat earth conspiracy

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: turbonium1

It's really not anyone else's job to teach you about basic physics or math. Off the top of my head, I recommend Brilliant.org.

No one cares to answer your question anymore because it's not a smart question. Rockets don't fly "straight-up" and exit the atmosphere because that would be remarkably inefficient, even if it were possible, and it's not.

Pick up a book written sometime in the last century or so.

Read what I actually say, before you put your foot in your mouth, like above.

I've said it over and over, but you don't ever get it - I never said rockets fly 'straight up'!!

That's difficult for you to understand, for some strange reason, but it is true!


Why don't you read what I actually said, for once? It's not hard.

originally posted by: puzzled2

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1

Hi Turdonium1,

Been looking for you to show us an edge and answer why you cant use a telescope to see the rockets and satellites.


You keep saying Roundearthers create cgi but you have produced a single thing as proof like after thousands and thousands of years a single picture or even today a single photograph of an edge.

So how big of a flat surface do you think the earth is?
is it a disc or a just a mishaped flat surface?
Are we all on one side?
Do we know if anyone is on the other side?
how thick is the earth?

Please answer with out telling me someone is stopping the evidence surely you have been to the edge.

I've already told you that nobody can travel out to the 'edges' of Earth, and if it WAS possible, how would anyone prove it to you? Since you really like arguing about the 'edge' of Earth, tell me how it could meet your standards of proof. If you have any standards, that is.


When they never tell us where a rocket goes after three minutes, you'll try anything to change the issue.... nice try, but it's not going to work. No matter how you wish it would.

Look at you ignoring all the real simple questions

YOU said

I've already told you that nobody can travel out to the 'edges' of Earth, and if it WAS possible, how would anyone prove it to you?

here's my answer to your question --

You could show me a picture and then tell me how to get to where the picture was taken so that I can see for myself the ICE WALL with the thousands of never been crossed ice fields.

Can you answer this question?
Lets assume I live in San Francisco USA - how far West would I need to go to get to the ICE WALL?

Remember, I've sailed to Japan from the UK so know the edge isn't between those 2 Countries.

Also where do you live perhaps some kind soul in your neighbourhood would be kind enough to help you go see a rocket and the orbiting satellite in real life thru their telescope.
Perhaps even join a group that can in real life answer your questions.

Please help us to understand your evidence and let us help in real life so you can then work out what is wrong with our perceptions.

After all anyone via the internet could CGI anything in your words so you have to do something in real life, are you brave enough to accept the help?

You want to see the edges of Earth, and the ice wall surrounding Earth, when you've never even seen a rocket after three minutes at the launch site?

They have launched many rockets, but never told us where to SEE one, from Earth, except at the launch site! Why not?

Why would you believe them, never seeing it, never knowing WHERE to see it, after three minutes?

It's totally ridiculous, no?

a reply to: turbonium1

Assuming the earth was flat before rockets, you'd think you would be able to easy prove after centuries of being flat.

I have seen rockets for more than 3 minutes because unlike you I go to the launches and take a telescope.

So please forget seeing rockets with the naked eye and get some proof of a flat earth. Not your inability to see very far.

Have you ever been to a rocket launch?

originally posted by: puzzled2


a reply to: turbonium1

Assuming the earth was flat before rockets, you'd think you would be able to easy prove after centuries of being flat.

I have seen rockets for more than 3 minutes because unlike you I go to the launches and take a telescope.

So please forget seeing rockets with the naked eye and get some proof of a flat earth. Not your inability to see very far.

Have you ever been to a rocket launch?

We should 'forget about seeing rockets' from Earth, after three minutes?!?

When do you believe a rocket flies high enough above Earth, to film Earth below it, as a ball, in 'space'?

How long after launch, does a rocket take to fly up, and show Earth as a ball, below it?

a reply to: turbonium1


oooh another rocket question you r answer

if it was a globe -

So high would it need to go to see it all FLAT or even just to see 1 side of the massive ice wall?

From your research what's the furthest anyone has sailed and not found land ?

originally posted by: puzzled2
a reply to: turbonium1


oooh another rocket question you r answer

if it was a globe -

So high would it need to go to see it all FLAT or even just to see 1 side of the massive ice wall?

From your research what's the furthest anyone has sailed and not found land ?

Airplanes fly higher than any rocket seen from Earth, and nobody on a plane sees Earth below them, as some sort of 'ball', in 'space'! Get serious, man!

Look at valid images taken from planes in flight, at ANY altitude, and the Earth does NOT appear as some sphere-shaped object below, with 'space' in the background! That's utter nonsense!

have you ever been on a plane?

Notice you never answer any questions is that because you are incapable?

And look at a rocket launch, and watch it fly away for the next three minutes. It doesn't fly higher, or barely so, in the last two minutes we see. The other 'rocket' takes less than two minutes TOTAL after launch, before showing Earth as a ball below it, in 'space'! Dream on!


Two minutes after launch, we see a rocket from the launch site, but the rocket will show Earth below it, as a ball, in space!!


Good one.

a reply to: turbonium1

Sorry what are you talking about?

What rocket showed a full globe after 2 minutes?

Still waiting for you to answer a question.

originally posted by: turbonium1


Airplanes fly higher than any rocket seen from Earth,

Absolute garbage.

and nobody on a plane sees Earth below them, as some sort of 'ball', in 'space'! Get serious, man!

Look at valid images taken from planes in flight,

See how turbo uses 'valid' there? That's his get out clause. Anything that proves him wrong will mysteriously turn out to be not valid for some specious reason made up on the spot.

at ANY altitude, and the Earth does NOT appear as some sphere-shaped object below, with 'space' in the background! That's utter nonsense!

uh-huh...

www.planeandpilotmag.com...

But suffice it to say that the curvature of the earth is slightly visible at airliner altitudes but quite clearly visible from 10,000 feet higher. At 51,000 feet, the highest ceiling of any production airplane, it’s quite easy to see, especially if you’re in the pilot’s seat and are afforded a field of view of 300 degrees or so.

www.flyertalk.com...

The curvature of the Earth was visible on my Concorde flight,

www.incredible-adventures.com...

We circled and then accelerated past the sound barrier to Mach 1.9. We then went upwards to about 70,000 feet. Near the top I felt weightlessness for several seconds. I saw the curvature of the earth and the dark sky above

SpaceX had another launch yesterday. Guy in Holland photographed the result:

twitter.com...

See also:

spacestationguys.com...

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

you know who is going to scream " fake " dont you

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Absolutely. But he won't have the cojones to contact the guy and ask him how he knew that the Falcon would be where it was, or how he photographed it.

Turns out the photographer does lots of that sort of stuff, as can be seen here:

langbrom.home.xs4all.nl...

and here

sattrackcam.blogspot.com...

Turbo is of course welcome to use his extensive and detailed knowledge of the subject to provide an informed and fully evidence supported explanation as to why these things are not genuine.


e2a: Unrelated to the other stuff I posted, but this site is very cool - track satellites see their orbits: stuffin.space...

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
SpaceX had another launch yesterday. Guy in Holland photographed the result:

twitter.com...

See also:

spacestationguys.com...

Why don't they ever tell us where to see a rocket, after it launches?

Why can't you answer this simple question, which I've repeatedly asked you?

This guy who said he saw the rocket 23 minutes after it launched, and those pilots who claimed to see Earth's 'curvature', are merely claims, without any proof to support it. And pilots don't even account for any 'curvature', so what does that tell you? Oh, right. nobody has to account for 'curvature' in flying over Earth. it just 'happens' during flights, all on it's own!!

And that's where a magical, non-existent force comes in, called 'gravity'. The force that solves all problems instantly!

Airplanes have instruments on board, to measure their flights, accurately, as we know.

They don't measure Earth as a curved surface would be measured, which is strange, if Earth IS curved, as claimed.

They measure Earth as a FLAT surface, though! Why? Because that's what they are measuring on flights - a FLAT surface below them, on Earth. Not everything is flat, of course, we know that. So what are they actually measuring here? Earth itself, really. Each point will vary, high mountains, deep valleys, and so on. But the surface of Earth itself is flat. And the mountains and valleys are higher or lower than the flat surface of Earth.

A flight is measured for level, and stays level in flights, because it works by going over a flat, level surface, like on Earth.

Our instruments measure Earth as flat.

It is solid proof.

What proof of Earth being round, if any?

Nothing proves it is round. No instruments measure it, as round. Nothing shows it as round.

When you cannot make a single measurement to prove Earth is round, and nothing else to prove it, you hold up a non-existing force, to solve any/all of your problems.

Solving for instruments measuring level, on flights, so when our instruments read level, 'gravity' makes them actually measure 'level to Earth's curvature'.

If Earth was really round, we'd measure it as round, on flights. We don't. It's not round. It is flat. We measure it as flat, all the time.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
a reply to: ignorant_ape

Absolutely. But he won't have the cojones to contact the guy and ask him how he knew that the Falcon would be where it was, or how he photographed it.

Said a guy who doesn't even have the 'cojones' to answer my simple question, that's a rather ironic assumption for you to make!

This thread has an embarrassment of knowledge on it yet it is being ignored by some

You can lead a horse to water

Even a Kid Can Prove the Earth Is Round: Here's How

One of the best documented methods for determining the Earth's roundness was first performed (to our knowledge) by the ancient Greeks. This was achieved by comparing the shadows of sticks in different locations. When the sun was directly overhead in one place, the stick there cast no shadow. At the same time in a city around 500 miles north, the stick there did cast a shadow.

If the Earth were flat then both sticks should show the same shadow (or lack of) because they would be positioned at the same angle towards the sun. The ancient Greeks found the shadows were different because the Earth was curved and so the sticks were at different angles. They then used the difference in these angles to calculate the circumference of the Earth. They managed to get it to within 10% of the true value – not bad for around 250 B.C.

Anyone on ATS willing to do this with me, hell lets prove to the doubters with our own evidence, maybe the doubters would like to join in, we all have a phone with a camera, so lets decide on stick length, location, time of day
and see how this can be discredited as CGI by the doubters.

Once we have done this can this thread be closed and sanity resumed.

Make stick 300mm or use a ruler, I live in the north of UK, we can do it at 12.01pm

a reply to: turbonium1

Ha ha. You lighten up my days some times.

The other day I was talking to my eight year old Grandson and we got talking about space and rockets and the moon and things.
During the conversation I mentioned that there are people who really, truly believe that the earth is flat.
When I explained to him how we know the earth is spheroid he understood straight away.
He's no budding Einstein but he's not below average intelligence either....but he grasped it straight away, because its not that hard to understand.

I've just taken the time to show him your post and he asked me why I think you're wrong.
I explained that if a plane was to circumnavigate the earth at say 30,000 feet its flight path would be in a spheroid shape 'circling' the earth.

He understood this straight away.

I made a drawing to show him - a pretty crap one as its not really my forte - but it was simple; a round earth and a larger equidistant dotted line encircling it representing the flight path.
I wish I could show you but I unfortunately am a bit of a simpleton, but surely you get the 'picture'?

Its really not very hard to understand.

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: turbonium1

Ha ha. You lighten up my days some times.

The other day I was talking to my eight year old Grandson and we got talking about space and rockets and the moon and things.
During the conversation I mentioned that there are people who really, truly believe that the earth is flat.
When I explained to him how we know the earth is spheroid he understood straight away.
He's no budding Einstein but he's not below average intelligence either....but he grasped it straight away, because its not that hard to understand.

I've just taken the time to show him your post and he asked me why I think you're wrong.
I explained that if a plane was to circumnavigate the earth at say 30,000 feet its flight path would be in a spheroid shape 'circling' the earth.

He understood this straight away.

I made a drawing to show him - a pretty crap one as its not really my forte - but it was simple; a round earth and a larger equidistant dotted line encircling it representing the flight path.
I wish I could show you but I unfortunately am a bit of a simpleton, but surely you get the 'picture'?

Its really not very hard to understand.

It shouldn't be hard, but it seems to be, still...

If planes only measured for altitude, constant adjustments would be required over a curved surface, along the way, to try and remain at altitude.

But planes measure altitude AND level flight, and that's why your argument does not, and cannot, hold up.

Planes fly level, always, or try to fly level, at altitude, and remain there if possible, for most of the flight, as well.

Level flight, at altitude, cannot work over a curved surface. Even if you know what the curve measures on a flight, it is impossible to do. The surface is not level, on a round Earth, so to fly over it at altitude would be a continually curved path, as well. And a continually curved path is not level, in any way. And instruments that measure level, also measure ascent, and descent, too. So a plane that follows around a spheroid, or a curvature, must constantly DESCEND in flight, and any sort of descent would be measured by instruments on planes.



Perhaps neither you, nor your grandson, ever knew about planes flying, and measuring, for level flight, but now you can tell him about it.

heavier than air powered flight for idiots :

all heavier than air powered flight craft - have a mass

all heavier than air powered flight craft have a set of " aerodynamic lifting surfaces "

these " aerodnamic lifting surfaces " generate lift when they pass through air at a velocity

the greater the velocity and ambient pressure of the air passing over the lifting surface - the greater the lift

this is why fixed wing take of lengths increase at altitude

in the ansence of other forces or air pressure changes - an craft that maintains constant airspeed over its lift surfaces - will fly " level " - assuming its COG [ centre of gravity is neutral ]

as the atmosphere around a spheroid earth - is [ in the ansence of weather events ] - the same pressure at the same altitude anywhere on the globe - an aircraft [ ignoring fuel capacity ] - will fly at the same altitude [ same pressure ] indefinitly - in level flight .

no adjustment needed - and this explainer is congruent with the reading of the VSI

everyone - but turbo troll comprehends this - i bet " mini freeborn " will too

so - hear we are - back to explaining basic physics to a troll

originally posted by: UpIsNowDown
This thread has an embarrassment of knowledge on it yet it is being ignored by some

You can lead a horse to water

Even a Kid Can Prove the Earth Is Round: Here's How

One of the best documented methods for determining the Earth's roundness was first performed (to our knowledge) by the ancient Greeks. This was achieved by comparing the shadows of sticks in different locations. When the sun was directly overhead in one place, the stick there cast no shadow. At the same time in a city around 500 miles north, the stick there did cast a shadow.

If the Earth were flat then both sticks should show the same shadow (or lack of) because they would be positioned at the same angle towards the sun. The ancient Greeks found the shadows were different because the Earth was curved and so the sticks were at different angles. They then used the difference in these angles to calculate the circumference of the Earth. They managed to get it to within 10% of the true value – not bad for around 250 B.C.

Anyone on ATS willing to do this with me, hell lets prove to the doubters with our own evidence, maybe the doubters would like to join in, we all have a phone with a camera, so lets decide on stick length, location, time of day
and see how this can be discredited as CGI by the doubters.

Once we have done this can this thread be closed and sanity resumed.

Make stick 300mm or use a ruler, I live in the north of UK, we can do it at 12.01pm

And where is your Sun, and what size is the Sun, in your argument?

It's rather important to know, for the issue you bring up here..