Two activists who filmed undercover videos of Planned Parenthood charged with 15 felonies

originally posted by: Foreshadow

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Foreshadow

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Foreshadow

originally posted by: veracity
Good news, such jerks.

I understand if you are pro-life, well actually i do not get that mentality. its like me saying "i support having a 2 penises so I want everyone else to have 2 as well" but ...

Even if you are pro-life...you can't cherry pick "dead babies". There is so much that goes into "dead babies" that helps live babies. So much scientific research that benefits our economy greatly.

I dont support abortions, no one does. I do support the choice. And if the choice is made to abort...lets make the best of it.

Wow dude, 2 penises has already hit the porn scene. 2 is better than 1 right? Cherry pick dead babies? well score one up for the scientific community for ending life purposely and then re-studying it. Cuz dead babies are a lot cooler than live ones. And you say you dont support abortion and no one does? Really, I beg to differ - The choice to kill your child has always been there and nobody can take that away from you - free will and all.

we just look at it differently, im sure we have very different lives as well.

One of us is much more open-minded on the subject and the other one can only see ^^^^DEAD BABIES^^^

lets just say I would never want to be in your shoes

I think that's a broad stroke of the Pen to call me Non Open Minded. This is one of those issues in life that I'm very passionate about and there's no room for sway. I'm very open to music, love, justice, and other peoples way of life. And that's just it, I care for life and other peoples well being. I see some of the good in PP and I also see very vile things that make me want to puke. Absolutely we have different opinions, and I've bit my tongue on this issue for a long time. I guess today is the day lol

...And yeah you probably wouldn't want to be in my shoes, but if it was cold and snowy outside - I'd gladly lend you my boots - Cheers

...And

just bc someone is pro choice or even has had an abortion before does not mean they do not care for life and others well-being. Yes, i do think that sometimes people have abortions for selfish reasons, but for the most part, its bc they are not ready to have a child or are a child themselves.

However, people should get the choice to be selfish or not and people like you and other pro-lifers need to stay out of their business and keep to themselves. If you dont like abortions...dont have one. It really is as simple as that.

Would you want people demanding what you do with your reproductive organs, what if there was a group of people out there that was demanding you have 2 penises?

I never said they don't care for life, I said I do! Bad decisions that affect them in the long run... of course. Oh and by the way, Is anyone "ready to have a child"? There's so many unexpected things that happen along the way, any Parent can say attest to that. I don't get in anyone's business in real life and try to tell them how it is - My friend had an abortion and I listened and cried with Empathy for her for hours. This is a message board and I'll voice my frustrations here - thankyou! I wish You would quit trying to paint me into this corner of another Pro-life person that you've experienced. Also, abortion is legal so please quit with that nonsense - abort away my friends

So in a nutshell - I think abortion is vile, damaging to others, lifelong guilt and just damn immoral. You have your choice to do as you will, No one is f*****g with your reproductive organs

I think it is not a great choice either, in fact i chose life in a situation most would abort. I could never abort myself, and anyone who is thinking about it better not talk to me bc I will plea and plea not to do it and back it up with good reason.
However, I am pro-choice. I do not want to force my beliefs on others legally.

I am pro-life for myself bc that is really all i have control over, i would have a child even in a rape situation and I am pro-choice legally.

Perhaps we are actually very similar but anyone who is pro-life legally and wants to push that on everyone, it doesnt matter how nice or empathetic you think you are...you are pushing YOUR beliefs onto others and its NOT RIGHT!

The Coalfire forensic analysis removes any doubt that the full length undercover videos released by Center for Medical Progress are authentic and have not been manipulated," ADF Senior Counsel Casey Mattox said in a statement. "Analysts scrutinized every second of video recorded during the investigation and released by CMP to date and found only bathroom breaks and other non-pertinent footage had been removed. Planned Parenthood can no longer hide behind a smokescreen of false accusations and should now answer for what appear to be the very real crimes revealed by the CMP investigation."

many pro-choice people here are hiding behind a smokescreen of "It was edited" to avoid talking about the meat in the videos.

DNC/Podesta leaks all over again.

a reply to: jellyrev

Well, apparently there was a court of law that found it to be fraud.

a reply to: veracity

In exactly what context was:
" So that’s an interesting concept. Let me explain to you a little bit of
a problem, which may not be a big problem, if our usual technique is
suction, at 10 to 12 weeks, and we switch to using an IPAS or something
with less suction, and increase the odds that it will come out as an intact
specimen, then we’re kind of violating the protocol that says to the
patient,“We’re not doing anything different in our care of you.” Now to me,
that’s kind of a specious little argument and I wouldn’t object to asking Ian,
who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS at that gestational
age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen,
but I do need to throw it out there as a concern. Because the patient is
signing something and we’re signing something saying that we’re not
changing anything with the way we’re managing you, just because we
agree to give tissue. You’ve heard that before."
made in which would allow it to be understood in a light other than "This is deplorable?"

a reply to: veracity

Link for this claim?

2nd

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: veracity

In exactly what context was:
" So that’s an interesting concept. Let me explain to you a little bit of
a problem, which may not be a big problem, if our usual technique is
suction, at 10 to 12 weeks, and we switch to using an IPAS or something
with less suction, and increase the odds that it will come out as an intact
specimen, then we’re kind of violating the protocol that says to the
patient,“We’re not doing anything different in our care of you.” Now to me,
that’s kind of a specious little argument and I wouldn’t object to asking Ian,
who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS at that gestational
age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen,
but I do need to throw it out there as a concern. Because the patient is
signing something and we’re signing something saying that we’re not
changing anything with the way we’re managing you, just because we
agree to give tissue. You’ve heard that before."
made in which would allow it to be understood in a light other than "This is deplorable?"

So, this is verbiage said so the abortion doctor can get an intact specimen for better research?

Is that what this is?

Or is it so that he can get a better specimen so he can put it in a glass jar and laugh evilly out loud and say "ha ha ha, i got you, i rule the WORLD!!!"

If you are trying to gross me out its not going to work, i am in support of research to better out lives and the lives our children and grand children.

I would never reccommend abortion to anyone, but its going to happen, so why not make the best of it.

Ha! They are trying to charge them under HIPPA. Unless they discussed actual patients and names and information there should be nothing to charge them with. So, if I was a patient and I recorded a procedure that should not have been performed would I be charged also?

PP needs to simply stop all Federal Funding and move on. They have plenty of money coming in from private sources.

No reason to hide it if its ethical. Planned Parenthood should state they sell fetus's publicly if its no biggy.

originally posted by: veracity

i dont need nor do i want to fact check that silliness

You asked, I answered. What's silly about it?

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Foreshadow

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Foreshadow

originally posted by: veracity

originally posted by: Foreshadow

originally posted by: veracity
Good news, such jerks.

I understand if you are pro-life, well actually i do not get that mentality. its like me saying "i support having a 2 penises so I want everyone else to have 2 as well" but ...

Even if you are pro-life...you can't cherry pick "dead babies". There is so much that goes into "dead babies" that helps live babies. So much scientific research that benefits our economy greatly.

I dont support abortions, no one does. I do support the choice. And if the choice is made to abort...lets make the best of it.

Wow dude, 2 penises has already hit the porn scene. 2 is better than 1 right? Cherry pick dead babies? well score one up for the scientific community for ending life purposely and then re-studying it. Cuz dead babies are a lot cooler than live ones. And you say you dont support abortion and no one does? Really, I beg to differ - The choice to kill your child has always been there and nobody can take that away from you - free will and all.

we just look at it differently, im sure we have very different lives as well.

One of us is much more open-minded on the subject and the other one can only see ^^^^DEAD BABIES^^^

lets just say I would never want to be in your shoes

I think that's a broad stroke of the Pen to call me Non Open Minded. This is one of those issues in life that I'm very passionate about and there's no room for sway. I'm very open to music, love, justice, and other peoples way of life. And that's just it, I care for life and other peoples well being. I see some of the good in PP and I also see very vile things that make me want to puke. Absolutely we have different opinions, and I've bit my tongue on this issue for a long time. I guess today is the day lol

...And yeah you probably wouldn't want to be in my shoes, but if it was cold and snowy outside - I'd gladly lend you my boots - Cheers

...And

just bc someone is pro choice or even has had an abortion before does not mean they do not care for life and others well-being. Yes, i do think that sometimes people have abortions for selfish reasons, but for the most part, its bc they are not ready to have a child or are a child themselves.

However, people should get the choice to be selfish or not and people like you and other pro-lifers need to stay out of their business and keep to themselves. If you dont like abortions...dont have one. It really is as simple as that.

Would you want people demanding what you do with your reproductive organs, what if there was a group of people out there that was demanding you have 2 penises?

I never said they don't care for life, I said I do! Bad decisions that affect them in the long run... of course. Oh and by the way, Is anyone "ready to have a child"? There's so many unexpected things that happen along the way, any Parent can say attest to that. I don't get in anyone's business in real life and try to tell them how it is - My friend had an abortion and I listened and cried with Empathy for her for hours. This is a message board and I'll voice my frustrations here - thankyou! I wish You would quit trying to paint me into this corner of another Pro-life person that you've experienced. Also, abortion is legal so please quit with that nonsense - abort away my friends

So in a nutshell - I think abortion is vile, damaging to others, lifelong guilt and just damn immoral. You have your choice to do as you will, No one is f*****g with your reproductive organs

I think it is not a great choice either, in fact i chose life in a situation most would abort. I could never abort myself, and anyone who is thinking about it better not talk to me bc I will plea and plea not to do it and back it up with good reason.
However, I am pro-choice. I do not want to force my beliefs on others legally.

I am pro-life for myself bc that is really all i have control over, i would have a child even in a rape situation and I am pro-choice legally.

Perhaps we are actually very similar but anyone who is pro-life legally and wants to push that on everyone, it doesnt matter how nice or empathetic you think you are...you are pushing YOUR beliefs onto others and its NOT RIGHT!

Veracity... I never knew there was such a thing as pro-life legally. Legally you are entitled to an abortion. I mentioned that in my last post - please re-read it. No one is taking that away from you - why do you keep pushing for things you already have? And also I am NOT pushing my beliefs onto others in real life scenarios! I mentioned that in my last post too. I also said this is ATS - where people express their opinions of crazy to weird to sensible and everything in between, which makes this place Rad. This is not a liberal college with safe spaces! If ya can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen

a reply to: veracity

...actually it was said in connection to price points and how much more money Planned Parenthood would receive from the buyer for "intact specimens" and what PP could do to maximize the number available for purchase.

I would never reccommend abortion to anyone, but its going to happen, so why not make the best of it.

If a rape is inevitable, then why doesn't the woman lay back and enjoy the orgasm, right?

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: veracity

...actually it was said in connection to price points and how much more money Planned Parenthood would receive from the buyer for "intact specimens" and what PP could do to maximize the number available for purchase.

I would never reccommend abortion to anyone, but its going to happen, so why not make the best of it.

If a rape is inevitable, then why doesn't the woman lay back and enjoy the orgasm, right?

Great point Sir!

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: veracity

...actually it was said in connection to price points and how much more money Planned Parenthood would receive from the buyer for "intact specimens" and what PP could do to maximize the number available for purchase.

Wrong. Any reasonable + unbiased + highly intelligent + logical + rational person knows that what they were really talking about was golf and their grandkids.

All that other stuff is fake.

This thread definitely confirms my suspicions that the only people who still defend daledian are either too stupid or delusional to investigate any information that would disrupt their worldview. ......

originally posted by: Jameshowardcrow
This thread definitely confirms my suspicions that the only people who still defend daledian are either too stupid or delusional to investigate any information that would disrupt their worldview. ......

Welcome to ATS James - Seems like you just joined today

Welcome to ATS James - Seems like you just joined today

Thank you. Long time lurker. Just couldn't let this one go

originally posted by: Jameshowardcrow

Welcome to ATS James - Seems like you just joined today

Thank you. Long time lurker. Just couldn't let this one go

I can feel ya on that note - I was lurking a long time before I joined

a reply to: Jameshowardcrow

And by all means, say what ya gotta say

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: CriticalStinker

They committed FRAUD while going under cover. Fraud is illegal no matter where you go or what you are doing.

Did you even read the criminal complaint in the article you posted? Neither of them were charged with fraud.

Did you even read the criminal complaint in the article you posted? Neither of them were charged with fraud.

Fraud specifically isn't listed among the laundry list of over a dozen felonies....

Therefore planned parenthood sacrifices live births to ba'al!

Lol