Why do you hate the poor?

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: olaru12
The poor are a very convenient scapegoat. But never a word from the right wing about the subsidies, grants, and under the table contracts for corporations that take more money out of the taxpayers pockets than the poor have.


Not to mention the "for profit" wars the US likes to conduct.

www.forbes.com...



thefederalist.com...

Even oil companies that make obscene profits get govt. handouts.

www.nytimes.com...

But it's the poor that get the blame.

I don't support any subsidies of any kind including the corporate ones. There I said it... I'm sure some RINOs want those subsidies, but this libertarian doesn't.

But you still demonize and blame the poor. Many of the poor I work with are ex military PTSD homeless. I used to be one of them myself; Least I can do for my brothers in arms.

I don't demonize and blame the poor. I demonize and blame INDIVIDUALS. While there are cases of people who are down on their luck, the reality is that a very large percentage of the chronically poor make poor life decisions. While financial help is always needed, typically the best way to help the poor is through providing the the life skills to make better decisions and motivation so they can improve their own situation. Simply tossing cash at them does not typically fix the root of the problem.

I don't think anyone on here is qualified to discuss this, myself included, however poverty exists.

Trouble is without the sacrifices made by those on the bottom of the pile, there are those who feel happy to sit in judgement who could have been in their place.

You may question the term sacrifice, however a sacrifice doesn't have to voluntary.

We all know of the butterfly effect, there is nothing to say that those who sit in judgement of the mother with 6 kids, aren't indirectly responsible for their position.

Think about it, that time you were late for work and didn't give way to the pedestrian schoolchild, who went on to be late, was told off, then was turned off from doing well as she got judged for someone else's haste.

I'm not saying the above is a true account, yet it is an example...the subtleties in life that can make or break people.

Some of the smartest people in this world are not the ones who made the choices to conform, but the ones who did not.

Too much judgement by the mediocre and yes, if you are the one moaning about your tax bucks going to the socially challenged (oh come on, its a pc phrase), then you have made the wrong choices in life, for you bear resentment to the fact this world is not a one size fits all.

Sure you can say you don't like it and moan, but its not going to change anything.

Keep on shouting, its a waste of energy, but it is yours to waste.

a reply to: solargeddon


I'm sorry, but how can other people be responsible for someone else having 6 kids? Or crushing their spirit because someone made them late for school?

I once got caught in a closing train door on my way to a job interview and I had a white suit on, and a big black grease mark on the back of my outfit. I got the job. I wanted to not go to the interview after that, but thought, no I did not go through that to just give up!

Here is what frustrates me. I've mentored a lot poor teens over the years. I've been relatively successful in life. I'm not uber wealthy, but a have a good mid six figure earnings. Typical top 1-2% depending on year. I don't feel like I did anything special in life to get where I am. I came from relatively modest background. First to graduate college. Parents were middle class. Cop & Secretary. Pretty run of the mill upbringing.

I always ask the teens if you found a treasure map you knew was real and it led to riches, would you follow it? They almost always say yes. I then ask, "Well why is it you ignore or don't do the things I've told you to do?"

See, the map to success is not that complicated. I didn't do anything special. I just made a series of decisions that either moved me forward in life (or in some cases set me back). Everyone has these opportunities. It is just how you choose to play the cards. Those who are successful usually have an ability to think LONG TERM. They see where they want to go and can understand the steps needed to get there. Those who aren't successful are often impulsive and make snap decisions with little thought to long term consequences (a la getting your girl pregnant cause you didn't want to wear condom). They often wind up maknig a series of decisions which make it next to impossible to recover from.

Far too many people simply cannot see how their choices in life lead to where they are presently nor do they have the will or desire to make changes to move themselves forward. It is far easier to just blame the system.

a reply to: wantsome

Why do you hate the poor? Why do you hate the rich? Why do you hate the religious? Why do you hate the Jew? Why do you hate the Muslim? Why does the left hate the right? Why does the right hate the left? Why do you hate the different?


The real question that should be asked is.............Why do humans hate? If we could answer that question we would go places we've only dreamed of or imagined.

originally posted by: Tarzan the apeman.
a reply to: wantsome

Why do you hate the poor? Why do you hate the rich? Why do you hate the religious? Why do you hate the Jew? Why do you hate the Muslim? Why does the left hate the right? Why does the right hate the left? Why do you hate the different?


The real question that should be asked is.............Why do humans hate? If we could answer that question we would go places we've only dreamed of or imagined.

I see a culture of hate developing in America. I hold up ATS as a prime example; so many threads with hate as the motivation.

I don't hate the poor, grew up dirt poor to two drug addict alcoholics. I've had government cheese, and powdered milk in a bowl of O's. I help people when I can, give to charity regularly... bought a kid a brand new top shelf skateboard and gear, because I watched him practice every single day for weeks on a crappy ass board that was like a piece of plywood with roller skate wheels on it. I do stuff like that quite often actually.. what I don't like is people who think I owe them something... when I was teased for wearing worn out shoes, handme down pants etc, or called my grandfather and begged him to come feed me and my sister kind people helped us plenty.. hell I've even had stay in a woman shelter on more than one occasion, and to this day I feel that was one of the best environments I have been in.. they were resourcefull and they helped each other....I'm going lay it out there, my dad left us.. I've seen my mother raped (literally was like 4), beaten, lost, abandoned and completely confused... we lived, and through the harshest of circumstances I baffle people because I can be at piece in some that others don't think they could live through... life is hard, and it sucks to see people struggle, but I don't feel I owe anyone a damn thing except my wife.. I owe her my life!

Now both me and my sister are quite successful, and comfortable.. we both finished school, did some college, I went Navy and now out and make over 100k a year.. one thing I believe is you must earn it, if you don't you don't really understand what it takes to get it or keep it. If one is determined they will do what they must to shape their lives to what they want it. I will always try to help people who are working toward something and want help, don't really care what it is, be it art, construction project, school or whatever.. it's just how I am, but I don't just hand money to people with there hand out.. it solves nothing, equivalent of offering a bandaid to someone bleeding out. Most people who ask for help don't need it, if they were busy working on the problem they won't stop to ask for help.

Idk if what i post now,is completely relative to your thread.But poverty is actually very relative. My best friend of all the years is a middle-aged,actually more elderly black woman,we both live in South Africa.I am a 51yo white woman.

What my friend and i both agree on is this.if you have:


* A strong brick-built house,of any reasonable size,to guard you against the night

In the case of white South Africans,with burglar bars and steel security doors too.

*Your family and loved ones with you,as many as you can gather under a roof.

*something to eat,to feed your family+dependants each night

That is wealth right there. So first one would have to agree on what is "poor"

Because not all who are without a competent salary,is poor..

a reply to: Masterjaden

They and you are using emotional appeal to try and make it seem like we hate the poor, when really what we hate is government trying to usurp authority and control through socialist programs that have no place in a free society and aren't implemented in a way that is beneficial to the poor, it's only beneficial to those in control of government.

If that were in any way true, there wouldn't be this constant whining about why the poor deserve their poverty, and why they don't deserve anything but contempt

Prefaced (of course) with a few sentences explaining about how they don't really hate the poor. Or about how they used to be poor, but they're not dumb, lazy or dishonest like that

And of course the almost standard: once I saw someone buy a (insert undeserved luxury here) with food stamps - ungrateful leaches

originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: wantsome

From my perspective, it's not just hate for the poor but an orchestrated hate fest directed at minorities, and anything not
Christian.

Thats funny...because CHristians are to help their fellow man and to also help that man help himself as well. You must be talking about Hypocriticals. We are to help a smuch as we can but also not to th epoint where we need help ourselves.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I don't think they are dumb, lazy or whatever.. many are quite smart in many things others who haven't had to experience some of the hardships they have can't comprehend. Many who live in poverty also have a better appreciation for things that those who have never been poor take for granted and also the poor are generally a great deal more resourceful than people who haven't lived it, they often do a whole lot more with a great deal less.

With that said what many do gooders who think they know but don't, is there are a great many who are perfectly content with their lives. There are a great many who will sacrifice nothing nor make any real decisions to make their lives different. For every bum on the street working to get off the street, there are twenty who are perfectly ok with doing nothing to get off the street.. and it's the same in the hood and the trailer park.
I know more people who complain about being poor and what they do not have constantly, yet will not under any circumstance chose to go to a night class instead of the bar after work. There is no one physically capable, in the US who can say they don't have the resources available to shape their lives to whatever they envision, no one. Might not like what it takes, because I assure you it isn't #ing easy, but it's there.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: wantsome

This is simply what happens when 1% of the population controls 70% of the available wealth.

The 1% spend some of that 70% on influencing public opinion.

While the other 99% of the people fight over the reaming 30% of wealth is it really any wonder that the average Joe gets the short end of the stick?

Misdirection, in plain sight! Focusing average Joe's attention away from the 1% parasites that stole 70% of his wealth is why the poor are hated more than the rich.

After 7 pages I'm not sure there's anything left to be said other than to address the obvious bias of the OP. It's a question very much like, "Have you stopped beating your wife?" It has built in assumptions. First, it's accusatory. OP is taking the position that everyone who reads his thread is guilty of unreasonably "hating" the poor. That question, I think has been adequately addressed here. Secondly, OP is carving out a superior position here. HE, of course, DOES NOT hate the poor. It's everyone else who does. Plus, he can prove it because he gives a couple of bucks to people he perceives as poor once in awhile. So in how own eyes that makes him a good person. Here's what the OP is really saying to all of us:

I AM MORALLY SUPERIOR TO YOU!

And that's really all he is saying.

originally posted by: teapot

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: wantsome

This is simply what happens when 1% of the population controls 70% of the available wealth.

The 1% spend some of that 70% on influencing public opinion.

While the other 99% of the people fight over the reaming 30% of wealth is it really any wonder that the average Joe gets the short end of the stick?

Misdirection, in plain sight! Focusing average Joe's attention away from the 1% parasites that stole 70% of his wealth is why the poor are hated more than the rich.

The 1% becomes the one percent by convincing people to buy a bunch of bs they don't really need. Instead of investing in themselves and working to be self reliant they can't live without forking over all their resources including their own minds, to snake oil salesman who convince them they can answer all there prayers. focusing on the 1% your literally listening to one snake oil salesman telling you how he can save you from another Snake oil salesman

We see in greatly in politics lol we need leaders, we need this, we need that, listen to me I can save you. How can someone become independent if they desire to be dependent?

a reply to: yuppa

You a Christian,yuppa?

a reply to: Edumakated

A lot of poor choices are a factor if instant gratification v. delaying it for a bigger pay off down the road.

I could party with Robby tonight, get high, get laid, everyone will like me v. I could go home and do my homework and get a good night's sleep.

Down the first path you feel good immediately and everyone likes you but eventually it catches up. You get pregnant too young or catch a disease. You get busted for drug use or addicted and spiral on down that path. You ultimately fail school.

Or you take the second and if you are conscientious about it, you eventually graduate with that diploma, maybe go to college, maybe get out of the inner city, hold down a serious job ... but that's all a ways off, years.

originally posted by: andy06shake

So poor people make the products that we use, whats you point considering they are still poor?

I can see the point here - if the poor are making products we use, and providing services that are beneficial to society, then they ARE working (for one) and for another, if they are working, they deserve to make enough money to life comfortably. They are a piece of society, possibly even more important to society's function than the rich are. By saying "these people should get better jobs" you are basically saying you don't want anyone providing these goods or services.

a reply to: darkbake

With that said if your comfortable fine, if not move (I mean that being change your situation). It's no ones responsiblilty to make someone comfortable because they won't get off the damn rock they are sitting on. I don't owe them a service of providing leather heated vibrating rock pillows, just because they refuse to get off the rock.

I love the poor. They are great representations of everything i dont want in life.

They smell, so I know they are nearby... And i can run
They all live in one big neighborhood so i know where to avoid
Their kids are all dipsheets' so they help my kids feel smart
They eat all the cheep buffet food so i can get more of the dumplings

And i know we're advised against sharing secrets, but if you follow the recipes they inude in the white privilege kits, the poor are a GREAT source of iron and proteins.

originally posted by: ExVoto
I love the poor. They are great representations of everything i dont want in life.

They smell, so I know they are nearby... And i can run
They all live in one big neighborhood so i know where to avoid
Their kids are all dipsheets' so they help my kids feel smart
They eat all the cheep buffet food so i can get more of the dumplings

And i know we're advised against sharing secrets, but if you follow the recipes they inude in the white privilege kits, the poor are a GREAT source of iron and proteins.