Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

a reply to: levenda

In your personal view, does the Phenomenon actively resist understanding...or is it our unconscience mind which collaborates on the deception...or the Phenomenon being (apparently) transtemporal simply beyond our comprehension, or a mix of those three?

Btw.."The magus" by Fawkes...(the fable about the prince)...on topic or not?

Thanks.

a reply to: levenda

Thanks for coming on here and putting your points across.

.................In addition, we in the United States now have some of the worst-educated high school and college students in the industrialized world, especially when it comes to STEM subjects. Our people do not have the intellectual tools with which to comprehend the scope of the Phenomenon since they are so poorly educated in science, math and technology. They don’t have the language or the context necessary to interpret the data. That puts us at a very pronounced disadvantage when it comes to debating scientists, engineers and government agents on the subject of UAP. ...........

I am intrigued as to why these 'intellectually challenged American people' are seen as some sort of 'target audience' for the 'Sekret Machines Project'? Surely there are some clever Americans around who can still pull the grey matter together for a debate on UAPs?

.....Part of the problem today rests in the fact that the UFO community is hostile towards the intelligence and military communities........

Only if they tell you UFOs are nothing to be concerned with.

If a military intelligence officer or 'whistleblower' says that the President made a pact with the aliens and they are stealing our souls then they tend to believe them! The UFO community is it's own worst enemy. Infighting often occurs over various matters. All cases have to be preserved as UFO mysteries (even when the weight of evidence is overwhelming like with the Roswell slides fiasco of 2015).

Finally we have the whole 'UFOtainment' industry led by various personalities and reinforced with certain TV shows on the likes of History Channel and others. They offer great entertainment value but then often promote dubious stories and evidence.

Given that the whole 'Sekret Machines' project is based on fact, fantasy and fiction then it is difficult to be avoid being labelled as just another such "UFOtainment" project.

So I do hope that you succeed with absolute clarity for the reader when you say:

..... We cannot reiterate this enough: the fiction and the non-fiction elements of the Sekret Machines project work together as two interlocking components. You can read the novels and ignore the non-fiction and you will find a revealing and enjoyable experience. You can read the non-fiction and ignore the fiction, and you will find your preconceptions challenged and new possibilities open up. Read them both together and you will begin to experience the Phenomenon the way we have.......

a reply to: mirageman

I'm also very fascinated by the quoted text.

Now one could say that it is the "uneducated" who are acting as the control loop, who are causing the Phenomenon to manifest as it currently is.

That would make this entire project a test in social engineering...

But i don't want to be skeptical like that...

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The danger is also that the uneducated youth will not be able to perceive the subtle differences between the fiction and the non-fiction elements of each book and so the effort will be wasted upon them.

That is of course assuming they can be bothered to read a book!

originally posted by: mirageman
That is of course assuming they can be bothered to read a book!

That's exactly the impression I am getting, too. Being able to read and understand a text longer than an SMS seems to have become a rare and elusive skill over the years

Fiction and non-fiction...sounds hermetic, and alchemy like with trying to present some form of symmetry.

I'm curious about the non-fiction books though, don't really need anymore imagination, as much as fancy now.

I'll think about it.

originally posted by: levenda
The three non-fiction books are labelled as such. The three fictional books -- the novels -- are written by A. J. Hartley and are marketed as such.

I was not talking about how the books are labelled or about the possibility of confusion, I was asking if the non-fiction books have verifiable evidence of being non-fiction or if we just have to accept what we are told.

No. To be clear, the non-fiction books are completely sourced, footnoted, etc. Where we have had to use material we could not source properly (i.e., could not identify by name) we have said so. This is in order that the reader can make up his or her mind as to the reliability of the information.

We do not present opinion as fact, or our own theories as fact. Where there is some room for interpretation, etc. we say as much.

What comes from our sources quite often is the specific focus, perspective, etc. and again we identify that even if we can't identify the specific source.



a reply to: ArMaP

It's an interesting problem, and speaks to Vallee's characterization of the Phenomenon as a "control mechanism."

That is a characterization that implies deliberate intent, however, and I am not sure we can qualify it that way.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

This is the thing: we feel we need to extend the audience for this subject beyond that of the believers, experiencers, etc. Naturally, we hope and intend that what we have to say will be of interest and importance to the core UFO community as well. No question. But the mission, if you can call it that, has been to create a larger and deeper acceptance of the reality of the Phenomenon in different walks of life, in different cultural and academic areas. We also feel strongly that an American population that is enthused about the subject will be inspired to tackle it from different perspectives, especially from the scientific and academic areas but also from the cultural fields, the humanities, etc. We are very ambitious, I know. We want to create general enthusiasm for this subject and take it out of the realm of the specialist. We need to make Ufology a credible and acceptable area of research and study. And that means enlisting a lot of different people from different areas.


a reply to: mirageman

originally posted by: levenda
We are very ambitious, I know. We want to create general enthusiasm for this subject and take it out of the realm of the specialist. We need to make Ufology a credible and acceptable area of research and study. And that means enlisting a lot of different people from different areas.

Hi Peter.

That hope/dream/desire (making the topic "credible and acceptable") is beyond ambitious, it's literally fantastic.

That said, I would give anything to see the vision come true.

Best of luck with that and please tell Tom and his sister I said hi.

Mark...

a reply to: levenda

Jacques and I have somewhat different takes on things of course.

From my perspective, the Phenomenon flows through us on a mostly unconscious level on the part of both parties..only rarely rising to the conscious level.

We humans are one giant pool of physical hardware...all 7 billion of us are like a supercomputing cluster.

So deliberate intent is not necessarily required on the part of either party.

Kev

a reply to: levenda

I am so pleased you've chosen to come here and give us this very detailed explanation.

Many people here are on the page of "the Phenomenon exists" already, as you may know, due to having an experience with said 'Phenomenon.' That is what brought me to ATS.

Anyway, welcome and thank you so much for enlightening us - I've already pre-purchased the book and can't wait to read it. I was really worried when the wikileaks exposure happened that it would kill the project -- so glad to see everything is still moving forward.

I am ready to be both challenged and to broaden my understanding. Really, truly excited for the book.

Thanks again,

- AB

Mr. Levenda, by my accounting you owe me roughly 100 hours of sleep as I have sacrificed at least that amount staying up reading your books. In another thread, I compared your collaboration with Delonge as that of Tesla and PT Barnum (you being Nicola of course) but after reading your in-depth explanation of his intentions I am willing to give him a chance. You, however, are the reason I will gladly read this book and the ones to follow and I'll rack up that number of hours you owe me doing it!

Thank you for your contribution on our site here...I never thought I'd find you in my favorite hangout. It's akin to finding an exotic lily growing in my frozen backyard.

I'm rather embarrassed at my star-struckness and will end this before I say something silly.

a reply to levenda

Mr. Levenda, i applaude your effort to bring this topic to the mainstream.

But I have to pause. I have read what was made available online of Sekret Machines: Gods, Man, & War in the prologue, part of chapter 1 and part of chapter 5.

I have to say my initial reaction is that it is well researched and articulated but heavy on what seems you and DeLonge's theory of what this phenomenon is. Theory of Sumerian/Egyptian/Aztecian civilization theory, "The Nine" group, John Grandy's conscious DNA theory, Dr. shCherbak and Dr. Makukov theory of biological SETI .

All interesting to an extent but all unproven theory.

Mr. Delonge has on occasion stated he has been meeting with high level government officials and has even referred to persons he calls " the general" and ( I think?) " the scientist". On these occasions he has insinuated he has gleaned information that has not been made public and also insulated that is or has been of a classified matter.

What exactly are you selling us Mr. Levenda? A book(s) that is unproven public theories strung together to make an argument of your and Mr. Delonge phenomenon general theory or do you have any hard evidence that will turn the head of as you stated " different walks of life, different cultural and academic areas" to take this phenomenon seriously. For the sake of the this phenomenon, I hope it's the latter.

Again I appreciate your efforts and any response

Slante'


a reply to: levenda

a reply to: Paddyofurniture

As he stated above, all sources are referenced and footnoted and Levenda's and delonge's opinions are excluded from the narrative. Peter Levenda is a primary source author, which means the majority of the content will be directly from the horses mouth and not crap he dug up on the internet or stole from someone else. Levenda was detained at colonia dignidad and expelled from Chile while researching one of his books on the Nazis. He is not an armchair author or half wit hack.

a reply to: levenda

Its interesting you dont think the Govt has the evidence necessary to prove alien/UFOs regardless of credibility. If some Satan type liar like Bill Clinton came out with solid proof of UFOs, there would simply be no disputing it...Proof is proof.

But what Im really interested in this statement

" Instead, we say, “Okay, the Phenomenon exists. It is real. The evidence is overwhelming."

Im on board, but many on this site arent quite there yet(thought they wont admit it, probably never will till they have high rez video evidence), but regardless, what do you consider as the top 2 or 3 evidences for ET UFOs that makes it so overwhelming? Some particular cases like Levelland or is it some insider information that you have trust in?

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: schuyler

A typical complaint. However, DeLonge is worth something like $40 Million, Books like this do not sell well. It's chump change to him. Buy the T-shirt and coffee cup, too, if you want--or don't. But to claim he's just in it for the money is a cheap and ignorant shot. He doesn't need the money. He BELIEVES, and he's being used because hes quasi-famous with a certain generation, and it's their turn to get fed this line of crap.

2. He is naive and being played. However I have a harder time believing this one at the moment than this just being about him seeking his goal to become some type of mogul.

Oh I disagree, I think it is very possible that he is very naive! I've listened to his interviews and also saw the video of him pulling out books from his shelf as if he is the only one who knows these books exist. He hasn't said ONE new thing or idea-- he's just spouting all of the ufo and ancient aliens and paranormal and myths-as-real and etc etc., and smashing them all together like it's some new fresh idea no one has come up with before. He's so naive that he actually believes he has read these books and he has figured it all out!

And then- I see him on a video, telling the story of a military insider who was tasked with talking with aliens that the military had captured. And I realized he was talking about CLIFFORD STONE. He was telling Clifford Stone's tale as if it were a big smoking gun.

Naive as hell...and when I say naive, I'm using that word instead of other, less kind, but probably more accurate, words.

a reply to: KansasGirl

maybe the conspiracies you and i know of, are truths he knows.
if i knew some conspiracies i gave a 50/50/of being truth, that would make me cream my pants....
And i would be excitedly telling people of these such CTs as if they were new, he is naive, aren't we all?
But going by his AMA and Twitter etc he does sound like someone that has had an NDE and seen Christ or
Allah or whatever, yes to me he has been acting like a petulant yet excited school boy on matters UFOs
and he is now trying to sell it to everyone, so to me "he believes" and the selling of the info, well that
has been conditioned in to him anyway. They might say they dont have any new evidence or proof but
could all change the more people that wake up to the possibility that we are not alone, and i say that
because looking around me, nobody i know of is interested in Aliens etc. This is my dirty little secret,
people need to start taking this sh!t serious, because in all probability there is life out there, or even
layered on top of us.




to add, the possibility of the worlds eyes been opened to a truth/lie it doesn't matter, the collective thinking
of humans is all over the place, if we can all start thinking along the same lines then changes "will" happen
because in my opinion it is consciousness that aids evolution.... i always remember the CT that the great pyramids
were built by the knowledge and ability to speak to the atoms and asking them to move into place.....
i like to think we have huge potential, but im a dreamer!

Well I have read the 75 or so pages of the actual book that are available as a preview online here (prologue included)
books.google.co.uk...=onepage&q&f=false (from OP).

I was going to buy the e-book before I read this preview. I won't now. As I stated before to Levenda, it seems like a well researched and articulated book. But it is not what DeLonge has been promoting it as.

I'll hold you to your statement "the majority of the content will be directly from the horses mouth and not crap he dug up on the internet or stole from someone else."

(from OP)a reply to: megabogie