Tom De Longe with answers about UFOs, Life, the Universe and Everything...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Joining the speculation train, but like you say, not easy to explain. Some concepts take a lifetime or even multiple generations to understand. Being realistic I'm not sure I even ever will ...

A good foundation is key, so maybe that's why the target demographic is youth? Not only in Sekret Machines, but for instance Poet Anderson as well. TD even mentions multiple generation franchises so ...

Guess it's back to Invisible College for now.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

The "Invisible College" is going extinct.
At least the old guard.
Most "occult physicists" are very old these days and new ones won't admit to fringe thinking.

Finding qualified people to collaborate with is basically impossible.

Maybe these few rare people are all working for the MIC.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I ment the book

I need some 'basics' to fall back to.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

Ah. Yes, in part the book is about those "old physicists".

That book is certainly a good one. "Magonia" and "Messengers" are equally good for different reasons.

originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: HiddenWaters



ETA: I seem to remember someone somewhere, who was somewhat on the inside, declared that there was all these wonderful technological breakthroughs mired in 'black projects' and that it would take "an act of God" for them ever to be released. Can't remember who...

Ben rich lockheeds skunk works top man.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

The problem with waving around JV-type information as "Disclosure" is that nobody will fully understand the Phenomenon until things like quantum mechanics and general relativity are reconciled with each other and with "consciousness" to name just a few. And frankly, those things and the standard model of physics and common models of astrophysics may have to be partially junked in the process.

BUT, isn't this exactly where Cybernetics is supposed to step in? I can't believe that Vallee is unaware of the application of cybernetics, he uses systems language, why not apply systems practice?

a reply to: Anaana

Personally I would object going along that path or at least define very strict boundries, but that's a whole other discussion.

But you can feel this choice is getting imminent so perhaps that's one of the reasons for this stuff getting out?

I still wonder what TDL means with taking the fight to the phenomena and what weapons where developed against it. Could be in effect something like this.

Or the franchise could be an 'alien Jesus' as well.

a reply to: Anaana

JV is definitely big on AI. I know this for a fact, as I wrote a little paper discussing the impact of AI on this topic, and he presented it to some folks. I think it's fair to say, that there are people who believe, that once we implement AI on any scale, that there is the possibility that we will be contacted *through* our AI, as most of the Universe would already be post-singularity. (AI being like "warp drive" as a prerequisite for "formal contact".).

However this does not change the fact, that there are people looking for "new laws of physics" to come out of "UFO" research.

I personally think that the entire Universe is some form of giant (naturally occurring) "quantum computer".
I"m personally more interested in the "naturally occurring" than the "artificial", although "artificial" is certainly a phenotypical expression of the natural as well.

Kev

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

I do hope that the monotheists, demonologists, scientologists, etc. are not excessively involved with this project,
but I'm thinking that they are. Part of the Phenomenon just loves that stuff, as the people who practice it have to invite "IT" into themselves in order to practice their faith.

And in my experience anyway, that is exactly what part of the Phenomenon wants.. to "execute its code" in our brains (analog computers with a splash of "quantum"). That's really what all this religion, spirituality and ufology is really about.. this is the "grand deception" that even most "insiders" don't realize.

If you could find an Amazon jungle shaman and could somehow educate him on all our western craziness (his mind would not accept most of this stuff), I suspect he'd say exactly the same thing.

Kevin

a reply to: mirageman

It's not my place to say much, but you will notice that JV's name will no longer be associated with the TD project books or project efforts in the near future.

Please do not take this as negative in any way.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Okay, I know you can't elaborate on anything to do with JV personally, but could you say what might have changed about De Long's project itself that would turn 'someone' off of being associated?

a reply to: lostgirl

I would imagine all those wikileaks didn't help, but i can't say. I'm not his press secretary. It's also pretty common knowledge that the good doctor is funding some important projects (he is an angel investor) and is working on a database project for "UFOs".
(is extremely busy).

I wouldn't read too much into it.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Officially I don't think his name was ever associated with the 'project'.

Any thoughts on whether there was a back up plan in the case of a Republican administration taking over?

Surely someone at the DoD or one of the people at VICE tv must have sort have mentioned the possibility to Tom? Oh and maybe Obama mentioned something to Trump in his briefing the other day?

And the declaration of Emperor Trump winning the election was made on 9/11 (as long as you aren't American!!)). Perhaps there's a conspiracy amongst it all?

a reply to: mirageman

JV and i tend to discuss science and the "good stuff", but never anything confidential that he's doing with other people. The man is 100% honorable.

Frankly i have no idea what so-called insiders are doing..If there is a secret hideout and decoder ring I've not been issued one.

I cannot speculate what the upcoming administration will do in this regard, if anything.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I didn't realize you were still in touch with JV? I thought you mentioned you hadn't heard from him since you met up some time ago. I hope he is well, we haven't heard much from him lately.

I watched Close Encounters last night, and the JV character made me laugh and think of ATS.

a reply to: mirageman

I suspect the president has no knowledge of what goes on with ET anymore and hasn't since the early 60s

a reply to: zazzafrazz

We only met for a day three years ago or so. But we remain in touch fairly frequently.

Frankly i have no idea exactly how he takes me. Sometimes he doesn't get back to me for a month and other times its multiple times per day.

Sometimes he praises my work and other times I'm sure that i annoy him greatly as i prattle on pedantically.

Really, he's a consummate gentleman who would collaborate with anyone who had something actual to contribute and not just crazy regurgitated internet nonsense.

I've been very fortunate that he is so gracious.

Kev

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I think that the president has to have some content of it, if it exists.
Most information is likely funneled from past presidents, with occasional updates.
It is very possible that they are not briefed in detail.

Conjecture and IMO, but if it is real, the initial conversation probably starts like this:

"I have to inform you about something that will disturb you...."

a reply to: charlyv

Trump looked so shocked after his Obama meeting. Wishful thinking maybe, possibly, but... gaaaaawd that would be so geil.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: mirageman

I suspect the president has no knowledge of what goes on with ET anymore and hasn't since the early 60s

Did Trump know something back in the 60s???? Did he do too much LDS and forget it all back in the 60s?

Joking apart though.

If any president of the USA had knowledge of ET. And that's still a BIG IF........................I would say that George Bush Sr. probably did know something, given his role as head of the CIA, and given the fact he was asked about it and confirmed it. Without really confirming anything when he said

....I know some. I know a fair amount.


Source : www.presidentialufo.com...

But leaving the President out of any such information loop has to be unconstitutional. There is certainly no publicly available evidence that ET exists, never mind a race with the ability to communicate with and interact with human beings here on Earth. If something has been going on that we've never been told about then .....well........it really has to be something the governments of the whole world and the ETs need to keep secret until the right punk rock guy came along.