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So, back to you OP. Based upon your contacts and analysis, how much do you think the President knows, if anything?
Excuse me if you already answered a question like that, there are a log of posts in here...

originally posted by: mirageman

If any president of the USA had knowledge of ET. And that's still a BIG IF........................I would say that George Bush Sr. probably did know something, given his role as head of the CIA, and given the fact he was asked about it and confirmed it. Without really confirming anything when he said

....I know some. I know a fair amount.


Source : www.presidentialufo.com...

But leaving the President out of any such information loop has to be unconstitutional. There is certainly no publicly available evidence that ET exists, never mind a race with the ability to communicate with and interact with human beings here on Earth. If something has been going on that we've never been told about then .....well........it really has to be something the governments of the whole world and the ETs need to keep secret until the right punk rock guy came along.

Agree 100% re George Bush snr, he was in Dallas when Kennedy was killed and claimed he couldn't seem to remember where he was the day his boss was assassinated
He has his skull and bones hands deep in secret squirrel doo doo.

As for it being unconstitutional, why do you think they have never disclosed anything? It's because they will all go to prison for breaking a bunch of laws.
Non disclosure was not because they were protecting the general populace from anything that would make us cry or induce mass hysterics, rather they don't want to wear the color orange.

The only thing I think may support they are disclosing through our punk rocker lad is because they know we will we scramble for morsels of information and just be grateful for anything.

More importantly;
They are dipping their toes into water to test the temperature to see if they can try sell their culpability as heroism. If the reaction is 'string them up' they can claim "it's a crazy kid selling fantasy stories".

a reply to: mirageman

It is my honest opinion that we here at ATS know lots more than any President has ever known... Would you let a politician have the real keys if you were a professional?

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ &
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think there may be some confusion...on my end at least, I have no idea, in relation to the questions I asked, what you are saying.

"Cybernetics started closely associated with physics but depends in no essential way on the laws of physics, or on the properties of matter. Cybernetics deals with all forms of behaviour 'in so far as they are regular or determinate, or reproducible. The materiality is irrelevent, and so is the holding or not of the ordinary laws of physics... The truths of cybernetics are not conditional on their being derived from some other branch of science. Cybernetics has its own foundation." W Ross Ashby, Introduction to Cybernetics, 1956

It's just a different way of 'looking' at the situation, and in my opinion, the perfect way to study all things "woo".

a reply to: Anaana

Well i can't speak for more august personalities, but I think we are splitting hairs here on the boundary between information theory and cybernetics. I think many people consider cybernetics to be substrate-dependent and are not studying the substrate-independent portion.

But as to the idea you are putting forward.. yes, indeed, i'd agree that all forms of the occult, spiritual and UFOs are actually information theory/cybernetics.

The Universe is the "main computer" and us organics are "networked computers".

The only remaining argument would be whether we are "just" the hardware that "critters and UFOs" run on, or whether we have "souls/spirits/higher components" as well.

Now I have an answer to that.. but it's my personal research and quite difficult to express even for me. And as that portion is rife with delusion and is the very essence of the control loop itself, I don't discuss it much. Nor is there really much need.

It would be wonderful if we could discard all the delusion and focus upon the basics, on all levels of the MICand us folks here at ATS too. But from the very beginning, the entire purpose of "UFOs" WAS (and IS) deception.

(IMHO)

Kev

They are dipping their toes into water to test the temperature to see if they can try sell their culpability as heroism. If the reaction is 'string them up' they can claim "it's a crazy kid selling fantasy stories".

Yes a very good point. Do you think TDL is an innocent pawn in all of this, or was this part of his 'plan'?

a reply to: mirageman

No idea, but I'd hedge a bet that he is well meaning.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Well i was told he is well meaning by several people i find trustworthy.

Of course the path to Hell..but that could apply to any of us.

originally posted by: charlyv
So, back to you OP. Based upon your contacts and analysis, how much do you think the President knows, if anything?
Excuse me if you already answered a question like that, there are a log of posts in here...

Here's a rather long winded answer (sorry!).

Grant Cameron has done a huge amount of research on this topic so for more details go here : Clicky

But I think you have to look beyond Presidents of the USA. This is a world wide phenomenon we are talking about and every major sovereign government would have to be in on keeping a secret of alien contact for 70 years. Is that really possible?

I would say only if that alien contact was unique (or extremely rare) and was contained immediately (for example -we discover a piece of non-terrestrial technology in orbit or on earth) . Then the possibility opens up that the President (of that time) would know. As time passed then perhaps this watered down to a mere 'anomaly' for each administration so it seemed unimportant in comparison to the economic and social issues that needed resolving.

Back in the 40s, the foo fighters and ghost rockets were a bit of a mystery, but cases like 'Roswell' and the 'Battle of LA' were not treated as serious UFO cases.The real UFO 'cover-up' seems to have began in the 1950s after the 1952 Washington DC 'saucer' overflights. The document trail appears to suggest that the 'Anglo/European' powers had no real idea what the 'flying saucers/UFOs' really were at that time. Because of the threat of nuclear annihilation it seemed the military did not want the people getting excited about UFOs. They wanted to stop the Soviets getting anywhere near our airspace and feared too many UFO reports would create serious problems. Like triggering a nuclear war.

After that it all becomes confusing because of the charlatans involved in the subject, the interference of the intel boys and in the last 40 years (and especially the last 20) the rise of UFO entertainment industry. I would guess that Presidents, Prime Ministers, Chancellors and the like probably know very little real facts. Even the ones that dig don't seem to have got very far. Bill Clinton has said as much in interviews.

Here in the the UK we know Lord Hill-Norton, a former Chairman of NATO, continually asked questions about the UFO issue in Parliament and was hugely critical of how the MoD dismissed cases as 'not of defence significance'. Even Prince Philip seems to have had a long interest in the subject. Although because of his role is a lot less vocal than Lord Hill Norton was on UFOs.

I think the biggest indication that the UK government and Ministry of Defence's knowledge is limited is related to Project Condign. This was a study of the UFO phenomenon and commissioned in the 1990s before any Freedom of Information act existed in Britain. Why would the MoD commission such a study if they knew the secrets about 'aliens'? It seems the interest that led to the report was all about 'possibly weaponizing' the phenomenon.

It is of course impossible to prove that world leaders aren't aware of any 'other' intelligence beyond Earth. But everything I've seen suggests that the real cover-up is all about THEM not wanting US to know what they DON'T know.

a reply to: mirageman

Well said.

a reply to: mirageman

It seems the interest that led to the report was all about 'possibly weaponizing' the phenomenon.

It wasn't really. What the report says is something more like, "UAP are based upon a natural phenomenon that poses no threat to the UKADR, but you all might want to be aware that other countries such as Russia are studying the phenomenon as it relates to defense application".

The report goes on to only speculate about what technologies might be involved if "some" UAP were man made craft. That's for sure where the fun kicks in.

It's outlined in the executive summary.

a reply to: Dan00

Yes indeed I stand corrected . The study was actually more to clarify if the UAP (or UFO) phenomenon was a threat or of defence significance. The weaponization of the phenomenon was more a by product of the report.



However my point was why would the UK MoD have commissioned such a report if they had any deeper knowledge of the UFO topic?

Tom DeLonge said all these 'heroic' people across the world had been studying this phenomenon (and he specifically refers to it being discovered during the Cold War). Project Condign was commissioned in 1996. Seven years after the Cold War effectively ended.

So that, to me, suggests that something is not entirely true in his story.

a reply to: mirageman

Might the "heroes" be private citizens that have tried to get the attention of government but haven't succeeded so much? Rather like TD?

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

My overall impression, especially since the email leaks, was that the 'heroic people' TDL refers to were military/political people. However I think it's all open to interpretation and you may be more accurate.

a reply to: mirageman

Absolutely.

But doesn't it seem to be RETIRED military and political people who can't let the subject go?
For example I can think of multiple past AMA guests that would describe.

Unlike many who think that the governments of the world have nothing better to do than hide UFO secrets and plot our destruction with the Rothchilds, I think (and we've discussed this I believe), that these government officials are plenty busy with their "day jobs" to not have that much time to worry about this stuff.

Kev

Thanks all for an excellent stab at answering the question on what the POTUS knows about ET, as well as other world leaders. The retired military at the conferences really seem sincere, and I really find it hard to believe that they would be lying about such details, so many being really dedicated service people with stellar careers. If not world leaders, then WHO really holds the keys on information like this?, and obviously, where is it really being kept?

I'd think the retired ones don't have a career to jeopordize

a reply to: charlyv

I'd say that the people attempting to weaponize "the Phenomenon" and various strangeness are the ones who know the most (and they will not disclose).

A handful of shaman/occult weirdos might know a lot too...and for various reasons wouldn't or couldn't disclose either.

But some semi-cases...not purely in a camp who knows part of it might get excitable and "disclose".

But i doubt it's what anyone would want to hear.

Just my opinion.

Kev

originally posted by: mirageman

But everything I've seen suggests that the real cover-up is all about THEM not wanting US to know what they DON'T know.

If THEY don't even know what's going on then how can they determine exactly if what WE THINK WE KNOW has any truth to it at all.