Did Paul Invent Christianity?

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: Malocchio

i am not a biblical scholar
but i heard from a friend
that the Antichrist was made up by the church
so that the returning Messiah would be seen as evil
or something along those lines

anyone else heard this ?

It makes perfect sense, the book of Revelation is the alleged source of the Antichrist beliefs.

Yet it never uses the word... and the 3 beasts lived 2000 years ago.

I will have to ponder that.

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: Malocchio

religious threads make me grumpy i guess

i hope you get lucky tomorrow

She is actually coming over now.

There are no emojis to express how glad I am I decided to call her and that she basically invited herself over so I will just say that I am very happy now!

a reply to: Malocchio

good luck dude

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: Malocchio

good luck dude

I'll second that, lol.
Hope your evening is wonderful.

what is disgusting is people using a book they don't believe is true and trying to use it as truth to prove something it does not teach.

I have seen Chrsitians killed for being nothing more than Christians and this way before al queda or ISIS. And they were all killed by Muslims in the name of Allah. So don't tell me Islam is not hostile to Christians.

a reply to: Malocchio

This whole thread is opinions with no facts so why is if I do it I need to stop?

a reply to: Malocchio

let's all gather round and sing Kum Bay Ya.

These religions are diametrically opposed to each other like it or not.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

let's all gather round and sing Kum Bay Ya.

These religions are diametrically opposed to each other like it or not.

They really aren't.

Catholicism acknowledges the legitimacy of Islam as a true Monotheistic God/Allah worshipping religion.

Many Rabbis also agree.

In fact the only people who feel that a religion so similar to Christianity and Judaism is ''diametrically opposed" are religio-fascists and extremists.

Where I live there is hardly anyone who feels that way.

In fact there is really no difference between Islam and Christianity except the Pauline theology and the Trinity, the pagan elements.

Nobody is forced to "like it or not" because it isn't a fact.

You are a very, very angry man and I have to feel bad for you for being so full of hate for a religion.

Live and let live. And don't offer your opinions as fact.

As I have said many times, prior to European interference with the Crusades, where every Muslim and Jew in Jerusalem was murdered, women and children included, all three existed side by side peacefully and diplomatically.

Which would be impossible if they felt ''diametrically opposed" to each other.

Sorry ChesterJohn, you are, as usual, speaking out of your ars.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

This whole thread is opinions with no facts so why is if I do it I need to stop?

That's not even close to true.

Facts have dominated this thread, all opinions have been labeled as such and the same with theories.

But the factual information is far more prevalent and you are in a state of denial having witnessed the proof that you are a follower of a false prophet.

I understand you are angry but at least don't say things that aren't true because you want to complain.

Nobody is forcing you to participate and you have done nothing but assist in proving Paul was a false prophet.

a reply to: Malocchio

If it doesn't agree with the preserved word of God they are lies and opinions. Because God's word is true and pure. Not error filled and corrupt.

a reply to: Malocchio

Originally posted by Malocchio
I always enjoy your comments.

Thanks…

I quite like your posts too, you’ve clearly done a lot of research into this subject. There’s tons of between the lines evidence for these things too…IMO

But the fact that you’re born of the Spirit outside of any Doctrine, makes it all the more awesome…

Originally posted by Malocchio
I feel that without the Spirit you will get stuck in exactly what you said, in fact I believe they want that.

The last thing any Church needs is for its members to understand the Bible, what it says and means.

They will provide the meaning for you usually.

Yes, the OT beliefs concealed the knowledge of the Spirit, and made it exclusive property for just the elite, the scribes and the priests etc…

Then Jesus came preaching the real Spiritual truth so that all could enter the kingdom of God, which naturally caused problems for the power elite and their fear based control system over others.

The genie was out of the bottle so to speak, which meant it was essentially a patch up operation, or a damage limitation project.

Rome with the help of Paul came along and brought back in elements from the original control system and put them along side some of Jesus true teachings, resulting in Christianity as we know it today.


- JC

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
what is disgusting is people using a book they don't believe is true and trying to use it as truth to prove something it does not teach.

I have seen Chrsitians killed for being nothing more than Christians and this way before al queda or ISIS. And they were all killed by Muslims in the name of Allah. So don't tell me Islam is not hostile to Christians.

Uh, no. They (including myself) have simply tried to point out the inconsistencies of "said book", namely...that Paul was not who he claimed to be, and promoted himself all on his own word. However, BECAUSE he's included in "the book" you can't think objectively...at all.
You have offered nothing more to this thread than the same three or four things you keep repeating. You don't seem to be able to refute anything that has been pointed out to you. Your "fallback" is to say the same Psalm, over and over and over again. Oh, and over, and over, and over again.
Maybe you should try a different approach...or a different strategy. Cause, the way I see it, you aren't convincing anyone of anything.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

let's all gather round and sing Kum Bay Ya.

LOL....hey, that's a great idea! World would be a better place if we all did, don't ya think?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

If it doesn't agree with the preserved word of God they are lies and opinions. Because God's word is true and pure. Not error filled and corrupt.

contradictionsinthebible.com...

Well, if you REALLY want to know if "God's word is true and pure. Not error filled and corrupt."

THEN.... do some homework, Chester. I actually DARE you to do some "homework". I don't think you will, though. You are afraid to actually pick apart that book that you think is so "infallible".
To each his own.

Yes, the OT beliefs concealed the knowledge of the Spirit, and made it exclusive property for just the elite, the scribes and the priests etc…

a reply to: Joecroft


So very true.

Then Jesus came preaching the real Spiritual truth so that all could enter the kingdom of God, which naturally caused problems for the power elite and their fear based control system over others.

I'll take that one step further...Jesus showed WHO the true God was. It wasn't who the elites/priests served (which would be YHWH). That's why He told them, "you are of your father, "the devil" (or, the accuser).
Who "accused" mankind more than YHWH? Who "stole, killed, and destroyed"? YHWH.

The genie was out of the bottle so to speak, which meant it was essentially a patch up operation, or a damage limitation project.

It wasn't just "damage limitation". Jesus knew they would murder Him for what He brought to the Israelites, and the whole world....TRUTH. That was His whole mission. Not to be a "blood sacrifice", but to show the world the truth.

Rome with the help of Paul came along and brought back in elements from the original control system and put them along side some of Jesus true teachings, resulting in Christianity as we know it today.

Bingo. Which is why I believe that YHWH (an imposter god) was who filled Paul and guided him to do what he did. Paul's personality and "m.o." were exactly like YHWH'S. Exactly. Same spirit.
The Spirit (the TRUE Spirit of the Most High) was what filled Jesus. The feminine aspect of the Creator. Wisdom, Comfort, etc.

originally posted by: Joecroft
a reply to: whereislogic
Which means the “Co-creator” (the craftsmen),...

It doesn't mean "Co-creator". The power for creation came from God through his holy spirit, or active force.
Genesis 1:2:

2 Now the earth was formless and desolate,* and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep,* and God’s active force* was moving about over the surface of the waters.

1st * = Or “empty.”
2nd * = Or “the surging waters.”
3rd * = Or “God’s spirit.”

Psalm 33:6:

6 By the word of Jehovah the heavens were made,

And by the spirit* of his mouth everything in them.*

1st * = Or “breath.”
2nd * = Lit., “all their army.”

And since Jehovah is the Source of all life, all animate creation, visible and invisible, owes its life to him.
Psalm 36:9:

9 With you is the source of life;

By your light we can see light.

The Son was the agent or instrumentality through whom Jehovah, the Creator, worked (Colossians 1:16). Jesus himself credited God with the creation, as do all the Scriptures.
Matthew 19:4-6

4 In reply he [Jesus] said: “Have you not read that the one who created them from the beginning made them male and female 5 and said: ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together, let no man put apart.”

Too bad there are only few who will understand the chapter in Isaiah read below. Perhaps the illustrative pictures will help; the woman at 4:05 would be "Babylon the Great". In Revelation 17:3-5, Babylon the Great is described as a woman arrayed in purple and scarlet and richly adorned. She is also depicted as sitting on “many waters” representing “peoples and crowds and nations and tongues.”—Re 17:1-15.

originally posted by: kibric
a reply to: Malocchio

i apologise but it reads to me like
your fanning the flames
maybe maybe not

Perhaps you may wanna check out the descriptions of human behaviour, patterns and trends and consequent (possible) predictions made in this comment on page 28 or this follow-up comment.

It's quite an interesting field of science/knowledge when evaluating a particular source of knowledge/science.

Oh, and this might be useful as well (after reading especially the follow-up comment):

a reply to: whereislogic

IF there is "no one else" why would he be jealous of anything?

a reply to: whereislogic

i don't know what your implying
but i mis read Mal's posts as i was tired and grumpy
like most humans get
i apologised

hope he had a good date

thanks for the links...?