Did Paul Invent Christianity?

a reply to: Akragon

When will you learn that it is the creation of Malocchino.

So glad to see you are all avoiding using the Bible and sticking to non-biblical sources of books you beleive are whole and true.

I do not and will stick to the preserved Holy Bible that has all the words of God still in it as preserved to this generation.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Thanks for the 50 messages designed to insult me, it's how I know that you are angry and obsessed with your inability to refute anything I have said regarding the Biblical Paul.

The false apostle.

And I didn't ''create" anything.

Why are you so mad that you would curse God/Allah just to insult me.

There is no doubt that all three Abrahamic faiths acknowledge they each worship the same God.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

If you talk poorly about Allah you talk poorly about God.

I don't personally care if you blaspheme, but it is foolish to claim to worship a God while cursing him also.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I can't obviously respond to every absurd claim you made.

But you have proven yourself a religious bigot who has no idea what he is talking about, for all to see thankfully.

So intolerant you can't admit what is a well known fact, that Islam worships the God of Abraham and the Prophets.

It's a major component of our theology you anti-scholar blaspheming propagandists madman.

It needed to be said.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
debunked by the same people who call on the name of Allah, it is their propaganda. Look to its source materials all Islamic.

When you are trying to convict a criminal do you go the the criminal to get the truth?

I think not.

“Trying to convict a criminal” is an illogical fallacy…

A person is not a “criminal” until we question them and weigh up all the evidence; They’re “innocent” until proven guilty in my book…but you’ve already declared Muslims guilty of worshiping a moon God.

Here’s some evidence and points for you to consider…


Allah is just a generic term for God, in the same way Elohim is. The Bible has many generic terms for God, outside of Gods actual name…

The Quran make tons of References to Adam, Abraham and Moses from the OT and many others…why would those prophets be referenced if Muslims believe in a Moon God…???

In the Quran, Allah is the creator of the heavens and heavenly bodies, such as the Sun and the Moon. Other verses in the Quran even instruct believers to not bow down to the Sun or Moon, but only to God/Allah…

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
It is not just a bunch of bad extremist. Even the moderates support the extremist, just follow the money. Every Muslim prays five times a day for the success of the purpose of Islam which is to have a world wide Caliphate. No mater what language the success for the purposes of Allah's Caliphate on earth are clear.

don't be deceived.

Many Muslims have publicly condemned those actions by the extremists as being not representative of true Islam as a whole…You need to look at these things from a much wider perspective, rather than the tunnel vision you have going right now…

And as for a Caliphate, that’s pretty much in operation right now, with the Roman Catholic Church…anyway, I’m pretty sure it’s only the extremists that look for a Caliphate in some shape or form…


- JC

a reply to: Malocchio

Originally posted by Malocchio
Honestly I view the tradition of the virgin birth as an esoteric tradition, not literally.

The virgin birth is a metaphor or allegory for the science of Gnosis or being ''born again" (illuminated, enlightened).

As is the ressurection of the dead. You die to your base passions and are cleansed of your sins in the water, the Holy Spirit then grants you Wisdom, the ability to ''see."

At which point you are born again and filled with ''fire" for the Mysteries of the Kingdom of God.

And so begins the never ending quest for knowledge.

Virgin birth=Born again, ressurected.

Very Wise…

The Holy Spirit brings Wisdom, Knowledge and understanding. When our eyes become opened we begin to understand, which is to “see”…

Yes, I believe this is why the Virgin Birth existed in many other older traditions and was then passed down through the ages. Passed down as a coded metaphor to secretly represent being born again…IMO

Becoming “born again”, is to become a New Creation i.e. When the Spirit of the Father comes to dwell in us, we become a New Creation or a New Son, hence the “Virgin Birth” paralleled/symbol. Or Simply put, the Father gives birth to the New Son…

Some people understand these things from piecing certain texts together; while others experience it and understand it…

Which one applies to you…?


- JC

a reply to: Malocchio

wow you're quite the intellect. I enjoyed your words of inner self reflection.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Akragon

When will you learn that it is the creation of Malocchino.

uhm... how about a quote at least

no idea what you're talking about

a reply to: Akragon

the gospel of the Hebrews. When what it really says is the gospel to the Hebrews. That is a big difference and things that are different are not the same.

Also we are now learning from Malocchino is he is getting a lot of info from a religion that is antagonistic too Christianity.

He and Matrix had exact quotes from other sites which mean those sites are theirs or they are plagiarizing which is against ATS T&C. When quoting other sites you are to place it is quotes and also supply a link.

I did a search of some of their comments throughout the thread and found that complete sentences that matched word for word from these other sites. Now if he had done that in the OP ATS would have found it and removed the thread as per their SOP, and we wouldn't be here discussing the opinionated lies of Malocchino.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Seems to me your religion is also "hostile" to his...

its no different then you saying the bible is inerrant... its factually untrue regardless of your beliefs

In any case take your issues up with them... I've been following along the entire time

a reply to: Akragon

well for a person who says he has not religion or religion affiliation, and then one day he say he does, but never said what it was. then says in a veiled hint it was some sort of Messianic Judaism. But now it is Islam.

A man who is double minded is unstable in all his ways.

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I believe the rules are...

Attack the subject matter... not the poster

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Islam is not hostile to Christians and not the source of any of my information. I knew all this long before I became a Muslim.

Paul is reason I became a Muslim and the only one hostile to any religion I know of Chester, is you.

Don't whine to Akragon about me and stop the hate.

It's disgusting.

a reply to: Joecroft

I believe I first received the Spirit and then pieced it together from textual info, so both.

originally posted by: DaisyPusher
a reply to: Malocchio

wow you're quite the intellect. I enjoyed your words of inner self reflection.

Thanks friend!

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Joecroft

debunked by the same people who call on the name of Allah, it is their propaganda. Look to its source materials all Islamic.

What has been ''debunked" and what propaganda are you talking about specifically because I have never heard of or seen any. I think you are talking out of your bum.

Talk about hostile! You need to stop because you have absolutely no clue or facts.

When you are trying to convict a criminal do you go the the criminal to get the truth?

I think not.

It is not just a bunch of bad extremist. Even the moderates support the extremist, just follow the money. Every Muslim prays five times a day for the success of the purpose of Islam which is to have a world wide Caliphate. No mater what language the success for the purposes of Allah's Caliphate on earth are clear.

don't be deceived.

JW's don't believe in a preserved word of God, they to like all in error, and that includes most of the maianline Christian denominations, do not believe there is a Bible that is whole and complete and without error. This is why they used ot use just their NW translation but since use any version to promote their doctrines.

JW's like most reject the verses that show Jesus is God, that show the Holy Ghost as a person, what can teach by the way, and reject the blood of Christ for salvation and follow the kingdom Gospel not the gospel of the grace of God. In reality they believe Jesus is a god, and in that they are actually polytheist.

Allah is not the God of the OT, Jesus Christ is the LORD of Hosts of the OT as seen in Revelation 1.

Good God, what on earth are you talking about.

Seriously, stop the hate, it's no good for anyone.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

There we go a man who claimes to be filled with the spirit of God allow such words out of his mouth.

Can a fountain produce both fresh and salt water?

I think not.

your words judge you Malocchino as a false follower of Christ for no one with the Holy Ghost will have such duplicity in their lives and mouths. Read the book of James again.

You mean the one that talks of "Oh vain man, faith without works is dead."

Yes, I am familiar, it has some great passages about the dangers of the tongue that seem like good advice...for you especially.

That tongue of yours has shown your true colors, that of a hypocrite who is hostile to other religions, even other Bibles than that highly flawed KJV you use.

You hate other religions, books, basically anything that isn't yours.

My my my.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

If you believe that Muslims believe he is the Messiah you are again showing your ignorance to Islam. for their 12th Imam for them the Messiah, but not just to the Jews but the whole world.

It's not about my beliefs, I know for a fact that Jesus is the Messiah in Islam, which kind of makes the only one displaying ignorance... you.

No Imam is the Messiah, that's Jesus.

So again, not only are you mad with the ignorance you try and project on others but don't even know what Islam believes.

I can assure you no Imam, 12th or 50th, is a or the Messiah and Jesus is.

This is a fact.

If you compare the teachings about the 12th Imam to the teachings of the Anti-christ you will see they both want the same thing, destruction of Israel, One world order, the world wide Caliphate under Allah and Islam. There is more if you just google "Similarities of the 12th Imam and the Anti-christ"

Now he's the antichrist, make up your mind.

I can guarantee you don't know anything about the teachings of this Imam and that their is no one antichrist in the Bible.

The beast is three, one being Paul, the other Nero and the third is militant Messianics desirous of world domination.

Keep going and I will keep making a fool of you.

Although you hardly need my help for that.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Seems to me your religion is also "hostile" to his...

I have to take issue with your use of "also hostile." It implies that Islam and Christianity are hostile to each other and this is not a fact.

A minority of each may feel hostile, that hardly makes it a universal fact. My sister is a devout Christian, none of her friends are hostile to me for being a Muslim or to Islam in general.

And it's looked upon poorly to be intolerant in the Qur'an and in my community in general.

its no different then you saying the bible is inerrant... its factually untrue regardless of your beliefs

In any case take your issues up with them... I've been following along the entire time

Nothing to get mad about, just letting you know.

I believe I have previously spoken of the time before the Crusades when Palestine was populated with Jews, Christians and Muslims and how they lived side by side in peace.

The same goes for the time before the 6 days war.

So history tells a different tale.