Did Paul Invent Christianity?

originally posted by: Malocchio

(The power of God) is your argument for the reality of virgin birth?

Quite rhetorical if you ask me, regardless of God power he doesn't allow virgins to get pregnant.

Is that out of the confines of omnipotence? You are looking from the perspective of this world.

Sorry, it doesn't happen. You can convince yourself all you want that an esoteric legend is actually historical but I am a bit too enlightened for such nonsense

Limiting your self and God is not enlightenment.

originally posted by: Malocchio

In your mind maybe, not in reality though. Literal is out of the question and frankly not possible.

With man this is impossible, but for God anything is possible.

Do not let the popularized limitations of Babylon deceive you.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Malocchio

Since when did normal conception become ''poisonous"?

My seed is not poison, no woman has ever died from receiving my "seed."

Moaning occurs during physical and spiritual torture. Physical torture is obvious. Spiritual torture is wanton sexual behavior with a facade of pleasure veiling the torment of the soul.

Moaning occurs because it feels good. To even equate sex with spiritual torture is a repressed minds doing.

Torture produces screams of agony.

If you have ever had the pleasure of making a woman moan you know it's not anything like torture.

It's the best sound in the world.

Sex is an act of love or lust, both pleasurable and not spiritually detrimental at all.

Quite the opposite sex is Biblically equal to gnosis or knowledge. I am sorry you are so afraid of sex but it is not evil unless it's nonconsentual.

"Through the sacred embrace, we are invited into the interior. As long as this is hidden, unhappiness prevails; it always poisons the seeds [sperma], and evil is at work." Gospel of Philip verse 125

All is forgivable. No one threw any rocks at the adulteress, but this does not mean the actions are justified.

Sex is fun, not something that tortures you spiritually unless you are repressed or not getting any.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Malocchio

(The power of God) is your argument for the reality of virgin birth?

Quite rhetorical if you ask me, regardless of God power he doesn't allow virgins to get pregnant.

Is that out of the confines of omnipotence? You are looking from the perspective of this world.

Sorry, it doesn't happen. You can convince yourself all you want that an esoteric legend is actually historical but I am a bit too enlightened for such nonsense

Limiting your self and God is not enlightenment.

Sp stop limiting yourself and become enlightened.

originally posted by: Malocchio

In your mind maybe, not in reality though. Literal is out of the question and frankly not possible.

With man this is impossible, but for God anything is possible.

Do not let the popularized limitations of Babylon deceive you.

I think you would prefer it if I was decieved, though I am far from it and Babylon rhetoric aside you sound pretty damn decieved.

You are pushing the theory that women don't need men to get pregnant and viewing yourself as some kind of spiritual genius.

I am not impressed with anything you have said, quite the opposite the only decieved one is you and your crazy ideas that are just plain ridiculous.

Virgin birth only exists in pagan mythology and that includes Christianity, a pagan sun cult hiding as a Jewish based Messianic religion.

That's the deception you need to worry about. I am far from decieved.

originally posted by: Malocchio

Moaning occurs because it feels goof. To even equate sex with spiritual torture is a repressed minds doing.

Sex is an act of love or lust, both pleasurable and not spiritually detrimental at all.

Lust is the opposite of love, and so is hate. It is veiled by pleasure but your soul is in agony during such occurrences. Most will take this lie to the grave. Ever wonder why it is called "sleeping with" someone? You are dozing off into a succulent daydream isolated from reality but too hypnotized by the temporal pleasure to question your short-comings. If you camp out for too long you'll never reach the top of the mountain.

Quite the opposite sex is Biblically equal to gnosis or knowledge.

Yes, but a perversion of it is to fall into forgetfulness (the opposite of knowing):

And Jehovah God saith to the woman, 'What is this thou hast done?' and the woman saith, 'The serpent hath caused me to forget -- and I do eat (of the tree of knowledge).'

I am sorry you are so afraid of sex but it is not evil unless it's nonconsentual.

I am sorry but you are afraid to truly analyze your self. How seldom do you make eye contact during sex? How great is the post-coital anxiety? The sexual embrace is an indicator of one's location along the ascent of the Mountain of Zion... Anything short of the summit runs the danger of death and never finding life at the peak.

Sex is fun, not something that tortures you spiritually unless you are repressed or not getting any.

Those who are limiting themselves to a strictly carnal sexual embrace will be satisfied with such. Those who look to attain the grace of the bridal chamber continue their ascent. We were exiled from paradise as a couple, and as a couple we can return.

originally posted by: Malocchio

That's the deception you need to worry about. I am far from decieved.

Do you know the Truth?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Malocchio

That's the deception you need to worry about. I am far from decieved.

Do you know the Truth?

I know many.

a reply to: cooperton

Are you going to pester me with pointless questions until you realize that you are saying nothing important at all and quit?

Because you are not interesting or thought provoking, you are just trying way too hard to seem like you know more than you do.

originally posted by: Malocchio

I know many truths.

What are you?

originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: cooperton

Are you going to pester me with pointless questions until you realize that you are saying nothing important at all and quit?

Because you are not interesting or thought provoking, you are just trying way too hard to seem like you know more than you do.

You dodge the question because you don't know the answer

a reply to: cooperton

Divide the grain from the chaff, the goats from the sheep, yes. But should a house be divided?

"...whoever is not against us is for us"

IS the grain in the same house as the chaff?

Or do the goats dwell in the sheep?

a reply to: cooperton

I'm actually dodging you because you annoy me, to be perfectly honest I don't remember the question you asked because it doesn't concern me at all.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: cooperton

Divide the grain from the chaff, the goats from the sheep, yes. But should a house be divided?

"...whoever is not against us is for us"

IS the grain in the same house as the chaff?

Or do the goats dwell in the sheep?

The grain is that part of us which the good.

The chaff is the part burned by the Baptism of fire through the Holy Spirit (Wisdom).

They can be in the same house if you lack that ''fire" that purifies you, cleansing the chaff.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Malocchio

I know many truths.

What are you?

I am.

I have come across something very interesting related to this thread (and not virgin births).

I will have to of course investigate further, but Josephus writes that Nero (pretty sure Nero) hired a man named Pallas for a certain task designed to incite the Jews to war.

This Pallas was a freedman, as Paul calls himself ''in Christ" or something like that.

He was hired to write a series of Epistles designed to infuriate the Jews and incite a war.

Pallas is very close to Paul, is hired to write epistles that will anger the Jews. Paul's epistles definitely pissed off a lot of Jews and continue to do so today.

Something worth looking into I would say. I don't know all the facts as I just stumbled upon this last night.

Just thought I would share and give others the chance to look into it.

a reply to: Malocchio

things that are different are not the same.

They are not the same therefore it is not Paul.

a reply to: Akragon

we see another example in scriptures you are looking at of rightly dividing. God uses it throughout scriptures and yet very few people do so.

Just google right division or rightly dividing and it will bring you plenty of sites of people who do it right and those that oppose it.

I figure if God does it and instructs Christians to do it then we should look into how it is done and why.

a reply to: Joecroft

debunked by the same people who call on the name of Allah, it is their propaganda. Look to its source materials all Islamic.

When you are trying to convict a criminal do you go the the criminal to get the truth?

I think not.

It is not just a bunch of bad extremist. Even the moderates support the extremist, just follow the money. Every Muslim prays five times a day for the success of the purpose of Islam which is to have a world wide Caliphate. No mater what language the success for the purposes of Allah's Caliphate on earth are clear.

don't be deceived.

JW's don't believe in a preserved word of God, they to like all in error, and that includes most of the maianline Christian denominations, do not believe there is a Bible that is whole and complete and without error. This is why they used ot use just their NW translation but since use any version to promote their doctrines.

JW's like most reject the verses that show Jesus is God, that show the Holy Ghost as a person, what can teach by the way, and reject the blood of Christ for salvation and follow the kingdom Gospel not the gospel of the grace of God. In reality they believe Jesus is a god, and in that they are actually polytheist.

Allah is not the God of the OT, Jesus Christ is the LORD of Hosts of the OT as seen in Revelation 1.

a reply to: Malocchio

There we go a man who claimes to be filled with the spirit of God allow such words out of his mouth.

Can a fountain produce both fresh and salt water?

I think not.

your words judge you Malocchino as a false follower of Christ for no one with the Holy Ghost will have such duplicity in their lives and mouths. Read the book of James again.

a reply to: Malocchio

You are truly deceived Islam and Christianity have nothing in common. They are diametrically opposed to one another. To believe otherwise show the depths of a deprived heart.

a reply to: Malocchio

If you believe that Muslims believe he is the Messiah you are again showing your ignorance to Islam. for their 12th Imam for them the Messiah, but not just to the Jews but the whole world.

If you compare the teachings about the 12th Imam to the teachings of the Anti-christ you will see they both want the same thing, destruction of Israel, One world order, the world wide Caliphate under Allah and Islam. There is more if you just google "Similarities of the 12th Imam and the Anti-christ"