Welcome One and All to The 2016 Democratic National Convention

a reply to: Gazrok

You should really get outside the echo chamber ...

Karla Ortiz, 11, the U.S. citizen child, said in English that her parents “came here looking for a better life,” but now she lives in fear of her parents being deported.

and

Minutes later another illegal immigrant, Astrid Silva, a Dreamer here under color of President Obama’s 2012 deportation amnesty, also took to the stage to blast GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump.

Washington Times

Fox News - Latino

... and even freaking Cosmopolitan

As usual, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

*I'm* not being honest???

You have chutzpah, I'll give you that.

I haven't made a claim here that you said Trump would win ... I've said, clearly, that last week you were poo-pooing the polls, and now they're blindingly significant and should scare Hillary to death.

Are you going to bald-faced claim here that you having been throwing off on the legitimacy of polls for months?

Address the actual argument rather than the scarecrow you want to hoist on the pole.

I have not said that polls are insignificant - if they were the parties would not follow them. They do so because they are interested in trends and direction.

There can be no doubt, from a collection of polls, that since the start of the RNC, the trend is positive for Trump. If you truly believe that the Clinton campaign do not follow these polls and will not be worried about the trend then that is your opinion. One I don't share. By the way, I can point to posts you have made when Clinton was 10 points up to support your view that she is winning.

I have not claimed above that the latest poll means Trump will win or even that he is favourite. I am merely reporting on a poll that took place over the two days of the convention, one which I believe will worry the Clinton camp.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Bobaganoosh
a reply to: Annee

Is that the new "qualified"? Like "kids that fail still get a trophy for trying" kind of qualified?

I just want to understand.

What in her past qualifies her to be president? The whole woman in politics thing?

The only thing presidential that has ever been in that woman was Bill.

Everything else about her is fluff.

Perhaps you should read Hillary's biography.

I heard a "Hillary's America" movie being promoted this week on the radio. Anyone know if its worth seeing?

Start with the author. There's too much Right Wing bias for me to take this movie seriously.

Heritage Group is a Red Flag for me.

Dinesh Joseph D'Souza; born April 25, 1961) is an Indian-American political commentator, author, filmmaker and Christian apologist. D'Souza is affiliated with a number of conservative organizations and publications, including the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Hoover Institution, and Policy Review. From 2010 to 2012, he served as president of The King's College, a Christian school in New York City.

In January 2014, D'Souza was indicted on charges of making illegal political contributions to a 2012 United States Senate campaign, a felony under U.S. law. On May 20, 2014, D'Souza pleaded guilty in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York to a charge of using "straw donors" to make illegal political campaign donations. On September 23, D'Souza was sentenced to eight months in a halfway house near his home in San Diego, five years probation, and a $30,000 fine. en.wikipedia.org...

So you don't watch things that don't fit your narrative?

I try and view just about everything I can before I make up my mind. I watch stuff from Dinesh, (Hillary's America), and stuff from Michael Moore. Fox and CNN. Brietbart and Bloomberg, and everything in between.

There is one Hillary supporter here that claimed he gets most political news from MSNBC.

Very telling.

Truth is buried deep. I recommend watching everything and then vote who you want.

originally posted by: Gazrok
I'm still curious as to how nobody's addressing that the DNC basically broke two federal statutes dealing with illegal aliens, by parading them on stage. SOMEBODY is on the hook for 10 years in Federal prison, and we all know it won't be Hillary. Then again, we also know no charges will come of it, because of course, some folks are simply above the law.

It was mentioned when it happened.

I would hope that the relevant authorities will act to deport these criminals.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Gazrok
I'm still curious as to how nobody's addressing that the DNC basically broke two federal statutes dealing with illegal aliens, by parading them on stage. SOMEBODY is on the hook for 10 years in Federal prison, and we all know it won't be Hillary. Then again, we also know no charges will come of it, because of course, some folks are simply above the law.

It was mentioned when it happened.

I would hope that the relevant authorities will act to deport these criminals.

Oh they wont do anything. she didnt INTEND to bring illegal aliens on stage. it was just carelessness right? lol

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler




This is why you and I won't be having an actual discussion...you assume so much and listen so little

You didn't say the following?

Last night I was looking at the crowd at the DNC

I know the whole thing is a spectacle - but looking at the crowd made me well up

I saw saris, Muslims, young people tatted up - older folks - every possible color...

Compare that to the RNC

I felt like I was looking at America last night

I'm a sucker for this stuff

:-)

Perhaps I just assumed you said that though.

a reply to: UKTruth

LOL ... again, I think polls say what they say ... sometimes, based on the degree of scientific validity of the poll, it's meaningful or mostly a fluff piece.

Those that are more carefully constructed have more meaning in context.

You're saying that you haven't challenged and criticized polls in the past. /shrug Okay.

We can trust polls now. THey have meaning. Hey hey, common ground.

Polls show Trump and Clinton are equally unpopular with the American people.

The long-term trend over the past year shows that Clinton was favored over Trump.

As Independents and leaners are forced to make their decisions, we will see the field narrow even more.

I have said NOTHING at any time even slightly reminiscent to "truly believing the Clinton campaign do not follow these polls."

I've said that polls are polls, this is the rocky road of convention season, and anyone who knows anything about how American politics works knows that polls will be extraordinarily dynamic over the next few weeks (convention season.)

You are reporting on "a poll." One. You believe that "one poll" is scaring the Clinton Campaign?

... well, the humor there is evident. I don't think I need to spell it out.

a reply to: UKTruth

Yeah, they're not "criminals" ... see above.

Donald holding another press conference right now.


235 days since Hillary's last press conference.
hillaryslastpressconfrence.com...

Say what you want about Trump but he is not afraid to face the tough questions.

Why is Hilary hiding?

I know, it took her that long to plan for this wonderful convention, right?

a reply to: stosh64

Why is Hilary hiding?

I'm not sure.
All they have to do is give her a dose of her anti-seizure medication, put a fresh pair of Depends on her and send her out in front of the reporters that are 'paid to carry her water'.
What does she have to fear?

a reply to: stosh64

I hope he keeps it up. He looks more and more like the fool he is.

"Katie, I would renegotiate everything. That's what I do."

This was his answer to a question about how he would change NATO.

Renegotiate?

Yeah, along with not paying his bills, cheating little girls, etc.

Big man.

Now, back to the DNC.

originally posted by: introvert


I believe the DNC does represent what America really looks like.

They are a diverse group with people of different colors, sexual preferences, religions, backgrounds, income levels and even political beliefs. Most importantly, they are flawed. The party is flawed as is every single human. There is no way around that.

The GOP, on the other hand, is a caricature. Ever since FDR and the New Deal, the Right Wing has been creating this persona of what they believe is the ultimate American. They all strive to live up to that ideal and they all believe they are that ideal, but forget that the ideal is a fraud.

They live a lie. At least the DNC, with all of their flaws, is still dealing in reality.

I think America is diverse, and there are all sorts of people in it. It is a joke to think that either the establishment in the RNC or DNC cares about this diversity, they just care about getting as many votes as possible.

The reason that there is so many groups in the DNC audience is twofold, one, they hate the RNC establishment, which I can not blame them for, and secondly, they have been duped by the DNC in thinking they care for them.

The email leaks show people at the highest level of the DNC making racial slurs, homophobic statements, and other such things. Instead of forcing people to resign and apologizing, Hillary actually immediately hired Shultz for her campaign. What a message that is. Listen to people like Cornell West talk about how the democratic party has done nothing for blacks recently because they take them for granted. Many LGBT people are now making the same claim.

So no, I will not give the DNC credit for being a diverse party with just flaws. They care just as much for minorities as the RNC, they are just pawns that are good for votes. (This is not to say that there aren't people in the DNC that care for minorities, but there are people in the RNC too that care).

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: UKTruth

LOL ... again, I think polls say what they say ... sometimes, based on the degree of scientific validity of the poll, it's meaningful or mostly a fluff piece.

Those that are more carefully constructed have more meaning in context.

You're saying that you haven't challenged and criticized polls in the past. /shrug Okay.

We can trust polls now. THey have meaning. Hey hey, common ground.

Polls show Trump and Clinton are equally unpopular with the American people.

The long-term trend over the past year shows that Clinton was favored over Trump.

As Independents and leaners are forced to make their decisions, we will see the field narrow even more.

I have said NOTHING at any time even slightly reminiscent to "truly believing the Clinton campaign do not follow these polls."

I've said that polls are polls, this is the rocky road of convention season, and anyone who knows anything about how American politics works knows that polls will be extraordinarily dynamic over the next few weeks (convention season.)

You are reporting on "a poll." One. You believe that "one poll" is scaring the Clinton Campaign?

... well, the humor there is evident. I don't think I need to spell it out.

I am reporting on the latest poll, yes.
I have never said they were insignificant, but they are (as we both know) not an exact science and can't be used at this stage to predict an outcome, which is not what I have claimed.

What I have said is that Clinton's campaign will be worried and I will stand by that. On July 14th, 5 days before the RNC they were already worried.

thehill.com...

Nervous Senate Democrats raised concerns with Hillary Clinton during a private meeting in the Capitol Thursday over a recent poll showing Donald Trump leading or tied in several battleground states.

“Some people were freaked out, they were looking down at the polls on RealClearPolitics and asking why it was so close,” said a Democratic senator who attended the meeting, referring to a website lawmakers were checking out on their personal devices.

Clinton’s response? “She said there are other issues. People are unhappy and they don’t trust institutions,” the senator explained.

A second Democratic source in the meeting confirmed there was “a mention of the Florida poll.”

A Quinnipiac University poll released this week showed the presumptive GOP presidential nominee up 42 percent to 39 percent in swing state Florida. Clinton had an 8-point lead in Quinnipiac’s poll of the state last month. The same survey showed Trump ahead 2 points in Pennsylvania, another big swing state, and tied in Ohio. The three states have been pivotal in the last four presidential elections. The source emphasized that no one suggested Clinton wasn’t running a strong race or questioned her performance. Instead, it was an acknowledgement that the presidential race will be very close even though many Washington-based strategists and pundits across the ideological spectrum question Trump’s seriousness as a candidate. “There was concern raised about the race because we know it’s going to be a close race,” said the source. A senior Senate Democratic aide, who was not in the meeting, acknowledged that senators have raised concerns about the closeness of the polls at other times.

Two weeks later and there has been a 6-10 point swing in favour of Trump depending on the poll and a 6 point swing on the RCP average.
To suggest that Clinton's campaign are NOT worried about it is an odd position to take.

a reply to: UKTruth

Typical convention bump is 3-9 points.

fivethirtyeight.com

/shrug

a reply to: Grambler

Here's another thing about the collusion in the DNC. If Hillary needed DWS on the inside to help ensure her being selected as the candidate, they would have had to have been able to be certain to get her in the DNC chair position. That would have meant getting the previous person out. To get someone to move who doesn't want to, you need either a carrot or a stick. Let's see who was the DNC chair right before DWS:

21 Jan 2009 - 5 Apr 2011 Tim Kaine (b. 1958)
5 Apr 2011 - 4 May 2011 Donna Brazile (f) (acting) (b. 1959)
4 May 2011 - Debbie Wasserman Schultz (f) (b. 1966)

Government departments and offices, etc.

Gee, who is Hillary's VP pick?

originally posted by: stosh64
Say what you want about Trump but he is not afraid to face the tough questions.

Yeah, no. I have to say I don't think you have a leg to stand on here. Trump wouldn't even answer Megyn Kelly's question about his temperament with women. Or *ahem* he did, but his answer was "Rosie is a fat pig slob."

And he bailed on the next FOX-hosted debate because Megyn was going to be there asking questions.

Gosh. Hillary chose an experienced Democrat as her VP running mate.

That completely wraps up the "collusion" question doesn't it?

(At least in the minds of those that see collusion instead of a 3,000,000 million vote difference.)

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Did you see the "press conference"? ...

I felt bad for him. Seemed totally out of his element.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: Grambler

Here's another thing about the collusion in the DNC. If Hillary needed DWS on the inside to help ensure her being selected as the candidate, they would have had to have been able to be certain to get her in the DNC chair position. That would have meant getting the previous person out. To get someone to move who doesn't want to, you need either a carrot or a stick. Let's see who was the DNC chair right before DWS:

21 Jan 2009 - 5 Apr 2011 Tim Kaine (b. 1958)
5 Apr 2011 - 4 May 2011 Donna Brazile (f) (acting) (b. 1959)
4 May 2011 - Debbie Wasserman Schultz (f) (b. 1966)

Government departments and offices, etc.

Gee, who is Hillary's VP pick?

And TWO speakers last nite.

Terry McAuliffe currently under federal investigation.

Howard Dean.

The long game.

Bill Clinton’s big omission from his speech at the Democratic National Convention

Well I guess it would be best to leave out the years he cheated on his wife with Lewinsky.