Welcome One and All to The 2016 Democratic National Convention

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Gryphon66

IRS investigating Clinton foundation

So by this standard the Clinton foundation is guilty.

Indeed, if one believed the general "logic" here from those on the right. That statement has been made many times here. As has the statement, now proven baseless, that Hillary Clinton would DEFINITELY be recommended for indictment. We even had "FBI insiders" making that claim.

Nada.

Also, I've merely posted the facts. Make of them what you will.

Also, some individuals made comments in private emails that weren't very polite in some cases. There is ZERO evidence that any actions were ever taken (even the notorious "Ask Bernie about his religion" bit.) You and others here are taking advantage, as usual, of making generic vague claims that you can't back up, and that can't be torn apart here because it would be "off-topic."

Also, wonder what the internal RNC emails would show about attempts to block Mr. Trump? Or about their collusion now to "get behind him"?

Also, of course, that is off topic.

Beg pardon.

a reply to: Grambler

I think the Russia angle is damning for Hillary because it shows they probably went after her server too.

lolololololol

a reply to: Gryphon66

Well I wasn't one saying that an investigation means guilt, and I clearly don't think that.

As far as no evidence the DNC did anything to help Hillary, give me a break. Bernie and his supporters claimed how bias the DNC was against them from the get go. Things like getting unfir media coverage, and the debates being scheduled in a way to keep people from hearing his message. The media and DNC claimed this was a ridiculous conspiracy that the DNC was completely neutral. Now we have proof they weren't neutral.We have proof of media collusion. Lets not forget, Bernie came close to winning, and there is a reasonable chance he could have won if the DNC and media had not been stacked against him.

This is not me taking advantage of a situation. This shows there was media collusion. It also shows the DNC which is quick to scream racism or sexism at any chance is composed of racsists and bigots, so no wonder they jump at those accusations.

I am sure the RNC emails show all kinds of things about trying to block Trump. How does this hurt Trump again? He won despite of this. All this does is prove the establishment doesn't want him, but they do want HIllary. Thats great, I prefer to vote anti establishment.

a reply to: Grambler

Also visible from a mail to Wassermann from Sanders, he clearly words his frustration that Wassermann had previously promised Sanders that both sides would receive 4 seats in each commitee during the convention, something she completely failed to honor once the convention started and in total only gave... was it 3 or 4 seats IN TOTAL to the Sanders people. W T F....

a reply to: Grambler

It also shows the DNC which is quick to scream racism or sexism at any chance is composed of racsists and bigots, so no wonder they jump at those accusations. I am sure the RNC emails show all kinds of things about trying to block Trump. How does this hurt Trump again? He won despite of this. All this does is prove the establishment doesn't want him, but they do want HIllary. Thats great, I prefer to vote anti establishment.

Are you new?

:-)

What do you think happened before email? What - do you imagine - did Bernie's crew say in their emails?

Politics ain't pretty

It's precarious trying to walk that line between idealism and reality

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

lolololololol

What an intellectually stimulating post you have here! What is making you laugh so hard, the fact that you realize your corrupt candidate claims the Russians are terrible people who sought to get the DNC emails, but in the same breath says they didn't come after her server with classified state information that would have endangered lives?

More of same.

"These emails" are the product of Russian "hacking" released through their current toady Assange. Yet, because some want so desperately to believe that Sanders was ill-treated, of course "these emails" demonstrate that conclusively.

Sanders, a freshly minted "Democrat" lost by 3,000,000 or so votes by DEMOCRATS. The oddities of each State's primaries/caucuses are not the fault of the National Democratic Party.

Bernie tried to use the DNC to his advantage, and it didn't pay off for him. He agrees, at this point, that the important thing for Democrats (and his supporters) is to defeat Donald J. Trump.

I agree with him on that at least.

a reply to: Grambler

What an intellectually stimulating post you have here! What is making you laugh so hard, the fact that you realize your corrupt candidate claims the Russians are terrible people who sought to get the DNC emails, but in the same breath says they didn't come after her server with classified state information that would have endangered lives?

It was funny

:-)

a reply to: Grambler

Christ the Russians, the Chinese, and likely anyone else has hacked every computer in the US govenrment repeatedly, at will.

As we have hacked theirs.

Come off the righteous "Hillarys server was hacked" crap. Old news.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Grambler


Are you new?

:-)

What do you think happened before email? What - do you imagine - did Bernie's crew say in their emails?

Politics ain't pretty

It's precarious trying to walk that line between idealism and reality

No I am not new. I am the person on this thread that gets ignored 90% of the time by Hillary supporters for pointing out their hypocrisy. Nice to meet you though!

I imagine Bernie's campaign emails were not talking about rigging the election for him. They were probably angerly discussing how the election was being stolen from him.

I love how you can just write this off as politics as usual. You are on here discussing how emotional you got looking at the crowd last night and hearing the speakers, yet you fully acknowledge that the DNC is filled with people spouting bigotry, and colluded with the media to keep Bernie from getting elected. And when the head of the DNC gets caught and has to resign, Hillary immediately hires her on to her campaign.

Of course I know the establishment has always been behind the seens rigging things in their favor. In the case of the DNC, the establishment won, and kept their queen in power. In the RNC, they lost, and an outsider won. I prefer the anti establishment person.

But you keep your moral high ground telling people that the DNC is what America really looks like, and how emotional you get looking at them, knowing full well it colluded to keep out a person who wanted real change.

3rd party is going to do well this year. Woohoo!!!!

This can be the election that breaks the 2 party stranglehold. Getting 5% of the popular vote at which point they will qualify for public campaign funding assistance.

One of the two establishment power elite will win this election which means nothing will change. 4 years later there will be a chance though.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler

Christ the Russians, the Chinese, and likely anyone else has hacked every computer in the US govenrment repeatedly, at will.

As we have hacked theirs.

Come off the righteous "Hillarys server was hacked" crap. Old news.

Right, then why even have security then. According to you, everyone just gets all info anyways, so everyone should just keep servers at their house right? Why did our intelligence officials bother to charge someone like Petreus then? Couldn't his defense have been, "Come on! Everyone has hacked us already, who cares!"

And also, if you know that the Chinese and the Russians etc. have haccked all of our stuff all of the time, surely HIllary would have known this. So don't you think she would have done her best to make it harder for them to do this. But no, she decided to make it as easy as possible!

Keep spinning, you are doing a great job!

originally posted by: Grimpachi
3rd party is going to do well this year. Woohoo!!!!

This can be the election that breaks the 2 party stranglehold. Getting 5% of the popular vote at which point they will qualify for public campaign funding assistance.

One of the two establishment power elite will win this election which means nothing will change. 4 years later there will be a chance though.

I had this hope early on. I've seen our choices whittled down to the usual suspects.

I hoped it'd be at least a four race race between Clinton, Ryan, Trump and Bernie.

But, of course, that's not what we're going to get.

It'll go back and forth with manufactured scandal after formulated outrage with Clinton and Trump within points of each other ... and then, in November, the one picked will be the one most willing to play the game.

/shrug

I'd keep reminding everyone that this is sheer political theatre, but that falls on deaf ears.

a reply to: Grambler

No, it's not "according to me" ... you make such ham-handed arguments and wonder why you get ignored ...

Hacking of Government Computers Exposed 2.15 Million People - NYT

“This incident that we are talking about today is unfortunately not without precedent,” said Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator. “We have to raise our level of cybersecurity in both the private sector and the public sector.”

Anonymous Helps Researchers Link Hackers To Chinese Army

U.S. suspects Russia in hack of Pentagon computer network - Washington Post

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The democratic party is split 50/50 while the Republican party was more or less split 20/80 (with 80 on Trump's side.)
And than they said that the Republicans were divided...

Latest Trump vs Clinton national Poll from LA times up to and including yestreday:

Trump +7

It's taken his RCP average lead to +1.1

Clinton will be hoping that is the effect of the RNC convention bump and not the DNCleaks and disastrous first 2 days of the DNC convention

Within this poll:

> Trump now leads with young people - Bernie fans defecting?

> Gap with white voters is getting wider

> Hillary's lead with women is almost gone - Trump has closed up significantly over the last 2 days (its now 44 vs 42 to Clinton)

> Trump is closing with the Hispanic vote (now has over 36%)

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Grambler

No, it's not "according to me" ... you make such ham-handed arguments and wonder why you get ignored ...

Hacking of Government Computers Exposed 2.15 Million People - NYT

“This incident that we are talking about today is unfortunately not without precedent,” said Michael Daniel, the White House cybersecurity coordinator. “We have to raise our level of cybersecurity in both the private sector and the public sector.”

Anonymous Helps Researchers Link Hackers To Chinese Army

U.S. suspects Russia in hack of Pentagon computer network - Washington Post

ETC.

ETC.

ETC.

Thank you for posting an article that proves you are wrong.

The segment you quoted right there talks about the need to increase our cyber security. Clearly the implication is that we can defend our cyber data, we just need to be more vigilant in protecting it. You defend HIllary's use of an easily hacked home server by saying "Who cares, everyone gets hacked!" Then why is Michael Daniel in your source suggesting increased cyber security? Wouldn't he have said "Unfortunately, the Russians will always hack us no matter what we do, so there is no sense wasting tons of money and planning on cyber security." if you are correct.

Are you actually claiming that Daniel would agree with youo that there was no problem with Clinton keeping her server in her house, despite the fact that even HIllary was forced to admit it was a mistake?

Posting a source that counters your own argument, not looking good. But +1 point to you for using the phrase ham-handed.

originally posted by: UKTruth
Latest Trump vs Clinton national Poll from LA times up to and including yestreday:

Trump +7

It's taken his RCP average lead to +1.1

Clinton will be hoping that is the effect of the RNC convention bump and not the DNCleaks and disastrous first 2 days of the DNC convention

Could have sworn, yesterday, you were making the claim that the DNC Email Hacks had nothing to do with the "Trump bump."

And as far as the "disastrous" first two days of the convention, you keep chanting that mantra ... for those who aren't Trump worshippers, these two days have been great, and the ratings demonstrate that.

a reply to: Grambler

And there you go ... you don't address the argument, you twist it. It gets boring and tiresome disintangling your nonsensical "arguments."

I stated, clearly, that the Russians, the Chinese, and probably anyone else hacks our government at will.

I've provided sources that corroborate that which you disputed.

Now you're desperately trying to wiggle your argument into something else.

You get ignored, Grambler, because you argue like a child. Believe what you want.

Keep harping on Clinton's server. Keep crying about Bernie being cheated.

Keep whining about being ignored.

a reply to: Grambler

I love how you can just write this off as politics as usual.

I missed the Cold War sooooo much

This just couldn't get any better

I'm totally serious

It is - and it isn't politics as usual

But you keep your moral high ground telling people that the DNC is what America really looks like, and how emotional you get looking at them, knowing full well it colluded to keep out a person who wanted real change.

This is why you and I won't be having an actual discussion...you assume so much and listen so little