Police operation underway at Munich mall

Nyiah, I hold a German dual citizenship. They allow it as long as one parent is German.

originally posted by: JustAnObservation
Nyiah, I hold a German dual citizenship. They allow it as long as one parent is German.

Actually the law has changed a bit in the last years. My baby daughter has now the right to have 3 citizenships: Mine, that of my wife and the german one (since she was born in Germany). Neither I, nor my wife have german citizenship.

originally posted by: sHuRuLuNi

originally posted by: JustAnObservation
Nyiah, I hold a German dual citizenship. They allow it as long as one parent is German.

Actually the law has changed a bit in the last years. My baby daughter has now the right to have 3 citizenships: Mine, that of my wife and the german one (since she was born in Germany). Neither I, nor my wife have german citizenship.

Thank you for the info. I was more addressing the comment that Germany doesn't allow dual citizenship unless the kid is born and grows up there. I was not born there and grew up mainly in Holland and the US, but hold citizenship because my mother is German.

a reply to: Nikola014

So, it was a Muslim after all. As expected.

There is no evidence for that.

Here's what we need to do in order to stop these terrorists. First, send all illegal immigrants where they came from. ALL OF THEM.

He was born in Munich.

The killer, who was born in Munich, had a 9mm Glock pistol and 300 bullets.

Police also said there was an "obvious link between the gunman and Norway's mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, who murdered 77 people in July 2011.
www.bbc.co.uk...

edit on 23-7-2016 by gortex because: (no reason given)

a reply to: gortex

What?

There are special TV shows about this attack on television in my country, and they all report that the attacker was a Muslim Iranian?

Is that not true?

a reply to: Nikola014

If he was born in Munich that would make him a German of Iranian decent , he may or may not have been a Muslim but religion seems not to have been a motive for the attack.

a reply to: gortex

If he was of Iranian heritage all be it German born there is a very good chance he is a Muslim but it remains to be seen if it was the over riding factor in the attack.


He does not really fit the MO of a Right wing extremist does he?, The media are saying he had books about mass shootings and he may well have had a books about Anders Breivik but that does not mean he had "far right" motives or was linked to Breivik or his ideas. He could well be a someone that was simply researching how to approach such a operation from the people that where successful in the past. I have to say it is very convenient to try and divert this situation away from Muslim extremist with what is going on in Europe at the moment.

With all the conflicting reports it does seem the water is becoming muddy and when MSM have head lines saying
'inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik' It is fairly obvious which way the media want to go with this.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

RA

a reply to: gortex

What difference does it make?

The attacker in Nice was also a Muslim Frenchman.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Nikola014

So, it was a Muslim after all. As expected.

There is no evidence for that.

Here's what we need to do in order to stop these terrorists. First, send all illegal immigrants where they came from. ALL OF THEM.

He was born in Munich.

The killer, who was born in Munich, had a 9mm Glock pistol and 300 bullets.

Police also said there was an "obvious link between the gunman and Norway's mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, who murdered 77 people in July 2011.
www.bbc.co.uk...

Do you always defend terrorists and their religion after these attacks?

You don't really care about Islam do you, you are a leftie and care only about how other people view you. Right now you do not look like a caring, loving, new age hippie.. You look like a fool who couldn't see danger even if it smacked you right in the face.

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a reply to: slider1982

The fact his attack happened on the 5th anniversary of the Breivik attack is significant , it seems he had a fascination with these types of attacks and had mental health problems.

I think in this case religion is a red herring , we don't know if he was religious or what religion he followed if he was , Christianity in Iran dates back to the early days of the religion so it isn't a given that he was a Muslim if he was even religious.

I think this is a case of a disaffected young man who followed the path of other disaffected young men , similar to American school shootings we have seen over the years.

a reply to: liammc

I prefer not to fall for knee jerk reactions unlike people like you.
Enjoy your short stay on ATS.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Nikola014

If he was born in Munich that would make him a German of Iranian decent , he may or may not have been a Muslim but religion seems not to have been a motive for the attack.

ISIS called for attacks like this, but lets bury our heads in the sand!

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: liammc

I prefer not to fall for knee jerk reactions unlike people like you.
Enjoy your short stay on ATS.

No you prefer to deny reality.

a reply to: TheBulk

ISIS called for attacks like this, but lets bury our heads in the sand!

Just as important let's not jump to conclusions based on our own prejudiced beliefs , the available evidence suggests this was not inspired by religion even if that's how you want to see it.

a reply to: slider1982

I'm not embedding this on ATS..

vimeo.com...

What is that background music a riff from Hotel California?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: liammc

I prefer not to fall for knee jerk reactions unlike people like you.
Enjoy your short stay on ATS.

Nope, you like to give of that image because it's all the range with you kids these days, it's all fake and gets you no where.

People like you don't really care or have an opinion on things, you just care about being labeled.

a reply to: liammc

Nope, you like to give of that image because it's all the range with you kids these days, it's all fake and gets you no where.

I like to base my opinions on the available evidence , you should probably try it too.

"Funny"...
As the mass media and officials switched to the lone wolf theory, i had to read and hear the term "Einzeltäter" around a thousand times now.
Listening to the bavarian interiour minister Hermann(the running joke) right now. It´s "funny" how they spin to the lone wolf theory now, with sayings like(because of a mass of reported shootings around Munich):
"It ever can be that a balloon explodes or similiar things...

Yep, brandnew left terroristsID´s and testaments, "evidence" on Facebook and Twitter, "evidence" on spyPhones and the stored data there and if shots are reported by a mass of callers, it´s exploding ballons...

And i heard that the investigators searched the house of the one, the dead attacker and found:
Documents about amoks, rampages...

So, do lunatics or terrorists nowadays need instructions on how to rampage. Was it a To Do list, a How To instruction? If it wouldn´t be so sad that the officials think we are ALL stupid, it would be funny. Let those muslim haters thnk he did it because he was muslim. Let the others think that he did it because of the Breivik attack, for Nazi reasons, because it was the same day and month like the Breivik attack. Let them be sidetracked, let them ask the wrong questions if it makes them lucky...

I can´t ignore what i heard and saw yesterday the whole time, from the beginning of the event, till i had to sleep. How the "security" officials closed down the metro, because one of the up to three attackers fled to the underground. Then they declared state of emergency over whole Munich, while the police for hours reported that they are on the search for up to three suspects, at least one or two of them armed with long rifles. As several eyewitnesses stated. Several, better a lot of callers from several different parts of Munich reported shootings, for hours. After the police knew that the found dead body, a kilometer away from the events, was one of the attackers, police still reported that they are on the search for left suspects.

Then "they found his car", while nobody dared to approach the dead body because of the backpack, that was searched by a robot for almost up to 2 hours. They wanna have found his car before they dared to approach the body. How could they find his car if they even didn´t know who the attacker was yet? First i thought they maybe saw his face and made a picture. To search the criminals database. But how when everybody was feared to approach the body/backpack. And after a headshot the possibilites are not low that the face is destroyed. And no criminal records of the attacker are reported yet.

Then we have the eyewitness from inside the mall, that reported via phone right after she could flee, live on TV, how she heard shots inside the mall, fled in fear to the outside and found several wounded or killed people outsides, killed by the MCDonalds attacker, at the same time where she heard and fled from shots inside the mall. Another video was shown, people filmed how the fled in panic from the shots inside the mall, you could hear the panic, could see the confusion.

So, how could the McDonalds attacker at the same fire shots outsides at the McDonalds and inside of the mall? How could the McDonalds attacker, the Parkdeck speaker and attacker, be at several spots at the same time, how could he get unseen from the McDonalds into the mall(but too late, shots were fired inside the mall, when he shot people outsides)? How could he get to the parkdeck, hang around there, speaking to the bavarian "native", to leave the spot unseen again and to kill himself one kilometer away from the events. That all happened in comparatively fast time.

Ah, i forgot the one report that undercover cops met the lunatic on his rampage, tried to shoot him, but missed and lost him. I would like to know where this allegedly happened. Again, gives a not so professional picture of the german "security forces", if one suspect can avoid a shootout with cops and flee unseen again. Just to kill himself then. Why first running for a kilometer to kill yourself, when you just survived a shootout with the police and could flee?

I hear right now that "experts"( a guy from a powerless police union, Rainer Wendt, a wannabe) again said that the attacker searched the internet on "How To Do a Rampage" instructions and had documents about that at home, as well as a book called "Amok im Kopf"-"Amok in your head", plus several newspaper reports about rampages... Here we have our "undeniable evidence" again... The personal rampage university... That´s ridiculous.

I look at the attacker with what we know now. Mental ill, living in poverty, threated badly by society(and for sure the voices in his head, that give orders...), at least he felt like threated badly by other people. I guess he thought that he was a loser that nothing has to lose anymore. And then, the orders from the voices...

Isn´t that a wonderful patsy?
Had germany not to be next the next european nation that needed to be "brought into the line" of terror fear and panic? Because, believe me, the average citizen here is not in panic and is not feared by terror 24/7, as the media wants us to be, we have other problems we have to deal with every day. And if we really are feared, those who profit from such events have won. No matter who the real mastermind is.

How can it be that the official version switched minutes after the robot searched the dead body/backpack to the lone wolf story, while the police still was on the search for other suspects? Did the state of emergency over Munich end yet, was that officially reported? How can it be that a lot of callers heard "ghost shootings", "exploding balloons" at several parts of Munich, for hours? How can the police hunt for ghosts with long rifles, the whole time since the event started, till the theory was suddenly switched to "lone wolf"? All of the sudden it was just false alarms, exploding balloons(my new swamp gas), false witness statements...

Was the whole event just a mass hallucination and we all had just a bad dream yesterday?
I guess we will see that it was not just a bad dream when the protectors are rewarded again for failing in doing their job, as known in the western world. But at least they are good in doing exercises near rampage or terror events, thats the thing i am gonna check next. Yesterday i mentioned that a mass of police forces, really a huge amount, armed with half automatic or automatic rifles, not average in germany, arrived very, very fast at the event. I mean, it was friday, a lot to do for the police in a city like Munich. But the whole city was closed down in very short time, around 2400 cops(some from neighbouring nations) were active...

Did we maybe watch an exercise going live, because the patsy had no pills anymore?
There are more questions than that muslim/nazi thing with the only goal to divide the people and to distract them, make them spread hate and stop them from asking the right questions...

a reply to: gortex

I'm just getting up to date this morning, but it appears he was a pissed off teen that may have been the victim of some sort of assault a couple years ago, has mental issue and no ties to ISIS.

Have they disclosed his religion? The report I read said religion was not a motivating factor, though.

And it starts, the presents for failing are discussed now and maybe will be: More police, more powers to the police and secret services, more observation of the people, the web etc.
As known in the west.

If you wanna be rewarded for failing, become a "security official"!

Because of the patsy:

patsy
scapegoat. red herring. person accused of a something as a cover for a bigger more elaborate crime.


Simple Definition of patsy
: a foolish person who is easily tricked or cheated


Full Definition of patsy
: a person who is easily manipulated or victimized

originally posted by: slider1982


With all the conflicting reports it does seem the water is becoming muddy and when MSM have head lines saying
'inspired by far-right terrorist Anders Breivik' It is fairly obvious which way the media want to go with this.

The difference is that they don't kill the white horses.