How we CELEBRATE people killing & getting killed in pursuit of EMPIRE (Memorial Day)

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
And on and on this childish reasoning that since other empires were / are worse, just go with it. Even "if it takes" White Phosphorus to ensure my comfy bed at night in the Empire, that's okay I'll still sleep like a baby.

Sleep on this image:
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you need to calm down sir, theres nothing wrong with honoring the fallen........

But im not surprised that a generation of individuals who have been raised not to respect anything is upset by this "holiday"

originally posted by: CoBaZ
As a Vet I may not like what your implication is here, But I do appreciate you having the right to say it and if my time in service proudly sworn to the Constitution and unfortunately following lawful orders of those who were put over me in any way shape or form helped allow you to say what is on your mind, then it was time well spent.

As a vet myself, how did I protect our freedoms going to Iraq who did not attack us?
Since WW2, I am hard pressed to find a country that said they were after our freedoms so perhaps you could help me with that?

It looks like the politicians are doing a fine job on their own taking our freedoms away

And from where I stand it looks more and more like the use of our military is not for defense of our borders and freedoms but to police the globe for Nationless Corporations and Banks that give no allegiance to any country.


All protections should be pulled from the 4 corners of the earth and let them have some skin in the game and fend for themselves.
If Apple Corp had to pay for defense themselves, all their gains would get flushed down the toilet and they would end up back here.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

you need to calm down sir, theres nothing wrong with honoring the fallen........

So did you decide to turn this thread into your platform for your declaration of being a "Brony", or is that how you celebrate Memorial Day?

Your "SJW Movement", what does that stand for?

I'm compelled to find this behavior highly disturbing, but will wait for you to clarify your position....

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss



If as Americans, we really want to support our troops, do so by encouraging them to resist as is their right under the Laws of Land Warfare and the Geneva Conventions.

The support out troops was a nice media propaganda campaign by the top elite.
People say we are responsible for the wars but then when we speak up we are drowned out with cries of disrespecting the troops.

So how does one speak out via freedom of speech against politicians wars without disrespecting the troops.
That is the mind game they play when it has absolutely nothing to do with the troops at all but is used as a strawman.

The Elite care not one iota about the troops especially when they return state side and are all used up based on an underfunded VA and crapped on by politicians.

Politicians would rather the troops die in battle than cost them money

a reply to: jacobe001

it is quite simple. If Sadaam had succeeded in establishing a pattern of selling oil in not dollars, others would have joined the party and with our world reserve currency status gone, we would have lost many freedoms from the reactionary economic measures of an imploding currency.

Severe Capital controls would have gone into effect literally overnight. Your freedom to withdraw as much cash as you please from the bank would have been restricted. I don't mean "fill out this form and tell me why you need this money" restricted. We talking literally being told you can only withdraw 10% of your cash this week, the rest must stay in the vaults no matter how you protest. Bullion purchasing would also have been severely restricted and possible confiscation may have been in order again.

So the simple solution was to use our military to stop that threat. Qaddafi had to go for exactly the same reason, a threat to our global currency hegemony. I really wish he were more prepared, it would have been more appropriate to have a circus trial like Hussein. And now the social programs that gave his people a high quality of life (not measured in Ipad's, Android devices, or $200 sneakers of course) are destroyed.

Such is the cost of running an empire. Although I am prepared now for such an eventuality of a currency crash, I was not at the time. Consider Iraq an act of buying time. We managed to knock down two little guys, but the big boys, our competing empires have made their desires public to undermine our financial power. How should we respond to that??

I want to just say how much I admire the men and women of the US armed forces.

They have my deepest respect.

Those that have fallen in combat did so for reasons wholly their own.

On this day I will remember them and their sacrifices.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
For being an EMPIRE we sure have a strange habit of handing the reigns back to the people we liberate.

That is not entirely true....
We smash and bomb the place and then give them "loans" to help rebuild and pay "us" (Bankers) back at exorbitant costs.
We have also backed unelected puppets to take the reigns over.

Guess who helped "Bail Out" Greece? Goldman Sachs
How did that work out.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: jacobe001


Such is the cost of running an empire. Although I am prepared now for such an eventuality of a currency crash, I was not at the time. Consider Iraq an act of buying time. We managed to knock down two little guys, but the big boys, our competing empires have made their desires public to undermine our financial power. How should we respond to that??

The problem with all this, is that the gains from these wars is going to a select few at the expense of our fellow Americans lives while everyone else is on their own.

I think there would be some pain in a currency collapse, but their corporate globalist utopia would collapse as well and we would have to go back to local economies. I don't see how that is a bad thing.

The Walmarts and Multinational Corporations that owe no allegiance to this country have done plenty of damage to local economies where we are dependent on them more than ourselves.

Respect for the dead is one of the hallmarks of civilization.

Honoring the Bravery of others shows basic respect for others.

But you cannot give respect to others if you don't have any inside you. You cannot give your honor to others if you don't have a reservoir within your self.

Many young people have an honor deficit, it's why they "Demand Respect" for their team or gang or political tribe. They don't have any honor on their own.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: Metallicus

So then, please describe to me the party you were ever at, in your entire life, that the party had anything to do with that (independence from England; freedom, liberty, etc)....

. When I was growing up it was family picnics on the lawn in
The park waiting for fireworks because fireworks represented the cannon fire from the revolutionary war.

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

originally posted by: SprocketUK
And it keeps spilling over it "Ain't they dumb to fight for such an awful regime."
Memorial days are like a little bit of therapy both for those bereaved and those suffering from survivors guilt.

Of course a Brit wouldn't get my view, as the national identity there weeps for the lost empire.

Just noticed your addendum.

Wow, you're one of those prejudiced idiots that thinks they can generalise an entire race or nationality eh?

Have fun at your Nazi rally.


I suppose this goes to prove something I've long believed, objections to memorial days or demos against the US or UK don't come from some deep love of humanity, but a simple, misguided hatred of our broadly free and functional societies.

There's no compassion in any of your posts.
For your argument's sake I'd bet you are more glad they died than the people who pulled the trigger.

This site must in fact be the Twilight Zone! If not, then how else could...

1. So many people step up in defense of wars (kids getting blown up, etc) for empire (resource domination, etc)?
2. These same people in this same breath declare themselves to support their fallen comrades/countrymen/etc by supporting the entire notion of empire building thus legitimizing the ruling elites LIES that drove us to said wars for empire?
3. The tables then get turned to label ME (the guy whose blood boils for all the senseless deaths and humans right violations, on ALL sides) the sociopath at this juncture?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Wow, you're one of those prejudiced idiots that thinks they can generalise an entire race or nationality eh?

Do you actually have the cahones to insist that my statement about empire being deeply rooted in the UK national identity as untrue? That'd be like saying the lot of Brit's aren't all subservient to notions of supporting the existence of the royal class (however you wanna word it anyways), and such.

Twilight Zone indeed!
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Will you comment on the statement, are you more glad that the soldiers died on our side?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
This site must in fact be the Twilight Zone! If not, then how else could...

1. So many people step up in defense of wars (kids getting blown up, etc) for empire (resource domination, etc)?
2. These same people in this same breath declare themselves to support their fallen comrades/countrymen/etc by supporting the entire notion of empire building thus legitimizing the ruling elites LIES that drove us to said wars for empire?
3. The tables then get turned to label ME (the guy whose blood boiled for all the senseless deaths and humans right violations, on ALL sides) the sociopath at this juncture?

originally posted by: SprocketUK
Wow, you're one of those prejudiced idiots that thinks they can generalise an entire race or nationality eh?

Do you actually have the cahones to insist that my statement about empire being deeply rooted in the UK national identity as untrue? That'd be like saying the lot of Brit's aren't all subservient to notions of supporting the existence of the royal class (however you wanna word it anyways), and such.

Twilight Zone indeed!

You bet your ass I do.
I'm a bloody republican for a start.

The only person I ever heard talk about the empire in wistful terms and say he wished it was still going was the Indian guy who came here after independence and taught my track safety in my first week on the railway.

But the real world is never as much fun as the made up one inside your twisted psyche, is it?

Your fake concern for the people that died in wars the us and uk took part in is pretty damn in. To you they are nothing more than a useful stick to beat folks with and as such, only useful dead.
The folks that killed them would have felt more genuine regret than you have shown.

You really should be ashamed. I would be.

a reply to: TechniXcality

It is fallacious to jump to the conclusion that an anti-war/empire/deceit minded person would somehow inherently be glad the folks on their 'side' died.

Although, I suppose individuals who support elites lying to drive our people into fake wars to blow up babies, and they go out and enjoy doing it, they would deserve to die. But nothing said by me could leave room for such conclusions as the way you insinuate it therefore this discussion is all Red Herring.

I just wish it was the elites that caused the wars (you know, the ones you look up to and rally behind) filling places like Arlington.

a reply to: SprocketUK

Nailed it again, brings up the concept of," a man worth killing" often soldiers on both sides have a deep respect for each other, we really are talking about the battles of ideologys here and the OP doesn't want to talk about that.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yes clearly we specifically target babies and women, you are so ignorant about this subject it's painful, listen man empires exist and we must defend our interests against theirs, do not understand that?

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: SprocketUK

Nailed it again, brings up the concept of," a man worth killing" often soldiers on both sides have a deep respect for each other, we really are talking about the battles of ideologys here and the OP doesn't want to talk about that.

They never do. It takes a lot of growth, personally to be able to see past simple prejudice.

You can't always be right, but with a bit of life experience you can make sure you stop yourself short of being absolutely, dead wrong.

Wars are fought by empires for things like barrels of oil.

Babies routinely get blown up in such wars (for barrels of oil).

You unapologetically support wars for imperial conquest (where babies routinely get blown up).

I'm opposed to everything involved... Yet somehow I'm the demented individual?

LOL

a reply to: TechniXcality

You'll never be able to explain to a generation of people who have no instead tinsel fortitude to stand when it's required, other than safely behind a sign in a nation where they are safe, what it's like to serve or why we do it.

You'll never be able to express to people who cry for safe spaces, how the world really works or how there really are evil people in the world, and that it takes men of courage who are willing to do the unthinkable to keep others from being TRUE victims.