Schools reject Obama transgender decree: ‘Straight into the paper shredder’

a reply to: queenofswords

Most sensible reply in this whole thread.

a reply to: Profusion
ain't it funny south park did afew episodes about this a few years ago where cartman couldn't get his crap time in the boys because there were fewer stalls so he started using the girls and when they objected he said that he was transgendered. but really what is the issue how is this something that needs potus attention. transgeredered individuals CHOOSE to be a different gender but why make a big thing out of it? how many transgendered children arre there in this country 20 million no maybe if you counted every head you might get into the thousands but most likely in the hundereds so yes accomidate them as best you can but leave it to the schools obamasan you have bigger things that need your attention.

a reply to: In4ormant

You can't teach them - but you can determine for them how they're going to behave and what they are going to be

Even if one of your kids was telling you in every way possible that they are a girl - when they're a boy as far as you're concerned (or visa versa of course) you wouldn't teach them to be the opposite because you couldn't, but you wouldn't allow them to be what they say they are

I'm just saying this out loud - not judging

I remember when I was little I wanted to be a boy - but I knew I was a girl

I was quite the tomboy. I wanted to wear pants, build forts, throw balls and climb trees. I hated dolls, playing house - fake tea parties...

But, when my mom cut my hair short - I pitched a fit the likes of which you have never seen. Girls didn't have short hair - and I was a girl. I grew up to be very feminine. I realize now that I just liked to do boy stuff because it seemed more interesting and fun. But I'm all girl

My folks let me be what I wanted. I didn't choose girl - I just knew

I understand that this is something we're all figuring out together - and science can't explain everything just yet. But there is evidence, and science is beginning to unravel some of this

Some things just seem obvious to me. I understand that that doesn't mean it's obvious to everyone

What I don't understand is how we can look a kid in the eye - this little person - and tell them they have to be what we want them to be

Society is what makes us conform. It's what makes parents tear themselves apart over stuff like this. It's the rules that make it easier for all the other parents at a school to punish a child for not being what they want that child to be

Where do these rules come from?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis

What I don't understand is how we can look a kid in the eye - this little person - and tell them they have to be what we want them to be

So, you're saying there are no transgenders?

That at child is just pretending and it'll go away?

a reply to: Annee

No Annee - that's not what I said

not even close

a reply to: In4ormant

Gender is a social construct

The biological make up the man/woman brain isn't really different.

Your source:

Her team analyzed two large datasets that evaluated highly gender stereotypical behaviors, such as playing video games, scrapbooking, or taking a bath. Individuals were just as variable for these measures: Only 0.1% of subjects displayed only stereotypically-male or only stereotypically-female behaviors.

It would seem that gender stereotypes are a social construct. That is hardly the equivalent of saying gender identity is a social construct.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Annee

No Annee - that's not what I said

not even close

That's why I'm asking.

It wasn't clear to me.

a reply to: Annee

I know what I know. People I've been friends with, people I've observed... Like I said - some things just seem obvious

What concerns me is that while the science is always useful, and we all need to be educated - what I see is the lengths that people will go to to force us all to conform. No matter how much pain that costs everyone involved

Ultimately - people should be free to be what they choose. Even children - maybe especially children. No matter what the causes or reasons

We see this the same even if we explain ourselves differently

:-)

This is all semantic tomf*ckery, all of it. Gender identity doesn't exist in real life, nor does it have any tangible analogue. No one exists as some abstract concept, template, or stereotype, even if they believe they do. This is the human mind getting lost in abstraction. Same as any superstition, just different packaging. Everyone debating this is a superstitious loon.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Annee

I know what I know. People I've been friends with, people I've observed... Like I said - some things just seem obvious

What concerns me is that while the science is always useful, and we all need to be educated - what I see is the lengths that people will go to to force us all to conform. No matter how much pain that costs everyone involved

Ultimately - people should be free to be what they choose. Even children - maybe especially children. No matter what the causes or reasons

We see this the same even if we explain ourselves differently

:-)

Thanks.

I'm probably a mild Asperger, but not heard of back in the 50s.

So, I know being on the fringe and not quite fitting in.

No one "Got Me" - - and they all seemed like aliens to me

a reply to: Annee

And I've been told - repeatedly - that I communicate in riddles, layers, circles and double meanings

Which is to say - not all that well

Always makes perfect sense to me, but - whatever

So, I hear ya

:-)

originally posted by: Talorc
This is all semantic tomf*ckery, all of it. Gender identity doesn't exist in real life, nor does it have any tangible analogue. No one exists as some abstract concept, template, or stereotype, even if they believe they do. This is the human mind getting lost in abstraction. Same as any superstition, just different packaging. Everyone debating this is a superstitious loon.

So, it doesn't matter who uses which bathroom?

a reply to: Talorc

Laughing here

Thanks - for that. If you don't mind my asking - what should we be debating?

Humans you know...

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Annee

Yes after puberty.

I'm not letting my 3 year old determine his/gender.

So if the 3 year old has a penis, you are going to force him to act like a boy.

After puberty. You've totally closed your mind to any and all professional information provided.

I'm not gonna force him to "act" anyway. That's not what parents do. He can act however he wants. If he still feels like a girl after puberty and his bodies natural hormones kick in we would begin to look at what options are available.

Apparently, you've decided you are the expert.

Or at least as much as you are Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Annee

Yes after puberty.

I'm not letting my 3 year old determine his/gender.

So if the 3 year old has a penis, you are going to force him to act like a boy.

After puberty. You've totally closed your mind to any and all professional information provided.

I'm not gonna force him to "act" anyway. That's not what parents do. He can act however he wants. If he still feels like a girl after puberty and his bodies natural hormones kick in we would begin to look at what options are available.

Apparently, you've decided you are the expert.

Or at least as much as you are Annee

I'm not the one rejecting professionals and those knowledgeable of transgender - - - in favor of my own opinion.

a reply to: Phage

Perpetuating what? Are you saying that children are being encouraged to be transgendered?

Yes in fact gender identity issues are being foisted on school kids of all ages in the Common Core materials. If it wasn't an agenda it wouldn't be in all the courses including language and math.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
Right.
Ignore it. Maybe it will go away. Just pretend that transgendered aren't really people. That way everyone is happy.

BTW, my daughter is enrolled in a private school. No common core.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: In4ormant
a reply to: Annee

Yes after puberty.

I'm not letting my 3 year old determine his/gender.

So if the 3 year old has a penis, you are going to force him to act like a boy.

After puberty. You've totally closed your mind to any and all professional information provided.

I'm not gonna force him to "act" anyway. That's not what parents do. He can act however he wants. If he still feels like a girl after puberty and his bodies natural hormones kick in we would begin to look at what options are available.

Apparently, you've decided you are the expert.

Or at least as much as you are Annee

I'm not the one rejecting professionals and those knowledgeable of transgender - - - in favor of my own opinion.

I was just pointing out the obvious annee. Are you an expert? Then why challenging if someone else is, if its just your opinion based on stuff you've read that agree with your opinion?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus
Right.
Ignore it. Maybe it will go away.

BTW, my daughter is enrolled in a private school. No common core.

Im sorry to say it may not be that way for long. Did you know that even homeschoolers will have to comply with the standards in order to get into college? Ask your private school educators and principal if they have to comply. If they don't then either they didn't accept federal money or your child may have issues getting into college.... just saying you might want to know these things.
But good for your private school !!!!! I mean that.

As far as it going away....it definitely will not go away as long as its being promoted in every course. You do know about values clarification right? I expect you are brilliant enough to do the research on your own and understand, but in case you don't feel like it, I might be willing to provide some links.