Schools reject Obama transgender decree: ‘Straight into the paper shredder’

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Would you be able to tell me the difference between making fun of a transgender person or making fun of someone from the south? Because I'm having a hard time distinguishing one bigotry from the other.

So - there's room for some political correctness?

Those are not fighting words - honest question

I notice that southerners have been a little extra touchy lately - it's hands off the south now?

Nah, ya'll can make fun all you want. It may bother some, but not me. Im just pointing out that there is some hypocrisy going on.

The only things I get touchy about aren't on the internet.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: network dude

Well let's be honest about that. It was more the Charlotte mayor than anybody else. Prior to her the bathroom thing was going nowhere. She took the opportunity to take what was a reasonable ordinance and tack the bathroom portion on to it.

And boom went the dynamite.

Yes. the key here is it's a touchy subject that everyone agrees if you don't bring it up, it will be fine and everyone will get along. But if you want a lot of attention, well, be careful what you wish for.

Like I said, if you do something to piss off the bear like poke him in the eye with a sharp stick, please don't have that surprised look on your face when he tries to bite your ass. He's a frickin bear.

a reply to: dr1234

"You're saying you're saying you're saying...."

Well you quoted me chief, did I say anything you claim I said?

Nope.

Perhaps an ounce of research would do you some good. Neither medicine nor law recognize walking up to a bathroom and announcing you feel like the opposite gender at that point in time as a true gender identity. Whether the term is ridiculous to you or not doesn't really pertain to the discussion in any way.

Kindly stick to what people say, instead of assigning some asinine comment of your making to them. It's enough work defending one's own thoughts without having to try and defend what others have made up on one's behalf.

a reply to: network dude

Yep. It's been entertaining seeing her on tv reacting to the governor. She doesn't seem capable of understanding why the governor can thump her on the nose. The indignation is palpable

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis


I notice that southerners have been a little extra touchy lately - it's hands off the south now?

I think this actually deserves a better answer than I gave you.....

The only difference between making fun of a southerner, and outright racism, is a few generations. In a few generations, is people don't move around, you will have southerners with their accents, and their different appearance and different culture....

There is no difference between bigotry. Whether it be race, nationality, accent, skin color, body type...

So when I see a gay man make fun of a fat person....i laugh internally. Because I remember that gay people are, at this very moment, fighting for equal rights. You have a gay cake argument, and im sure eventually (with national healthcare) you will have fat cake arguments. But they will be completely different arguments because its ok to express bigotry for fat people.

Or being a southerner during a transgender rights discusssion. All of a sudden i have found out that due to my accent someone I would otherwise agree with is somehow making fun of me. Not that I care....but if i made fun of them would it make me a bigot? Is bigotry only a matter of convenience here? Or can we demand equality for what makes us who we are while demeaning others? HOw does that even work?

I guess we all have to bully someone, huh?

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Both posts deserve a real reply - but I'm off to work...

:-)

Back later on Tex

a reply to: Profusion

The hypocrisy is so far out of this world. Many people who choose an alternative lifestyle were victims of sexual abuse. And yet states don't prohibit rapists from using the restroom.

I think Obama just called Texas' bluff.

a reply to: Profusion

Schools that reject this are losing out. THey need the federal money. The hate is so strong and sad.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Profusion

Schools that reject this are losing out. THey need the federal money. The hate is so strong and sad.

not really. especially if the state of texas would do away with the 'robin hood' law for school funding. we have 2 school districts in West Texas worth in excess of $5bil each due to the oil value in their land holdings. This isn't including the valuations on pad sites that gain tax revenue for all taxable entities in the area.

to be honest, we are currently at a point where a local ISD would do better walking away from the federal government entirely, and focusing on education instead of testing. That would give all taxpayers a bigger bang for the buck.

This whole bathroom debacle....is only meant to make the race for our highest office seem just a little less outrageous.

originally posted by: Helious

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: MiddleInitial
a reply to: Annee

I do believe that Profusion has a point, if only on the grounds of student safety. I'm not sure what kind of experience you had growing up in school, but I was picked on a bit. It doesn't take a huge leap of the imagination to see major problems arising out of a miniscule population (aka, minority) of gender dysphoric students using the same facilities as normal students. Kids can be cruel.

There were transgender kids in school. They used the bathroom they identified with. There was no issue ---- until a paranoid adult threw a fit.

Get over yourselves.

Your utter nonsense knows no bounds. The gay demographic is 2% of the total population, those that consider themselves "transgender" are a small population of that. Should you not understand what that means, no matter, in time, you will come to understand and then..... Get over yourself.

So you are in favor of the majority lording over the minority huh? That is essentially what you are doing. SO no equal rights for people who are different too huh? And not all transgender are"gay" btw.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Profusion

Schools that reject this are losing out. THey need the federal money. The hate is so strong and sad.

not really. especially if the state of texas would do away with the 'robin hood' law for school funding. we have 2 school districts in West Texas worth in excess of $5bil each due to the oil value in their land holdings. This isn't including the valuations on pad sites that gain tax revenue for all taxable entities in the area.

to be honest, we are currently at a point where a local ISD would do better walking away from the federal government entirely, and focusing on education instead of testing. That would give all taxpayers a bigger bang for the buck.

This whole bathroom debacle....is only meant to make the race for our highest office seem just a little less outrageous.

Actually. IF the government bans texas from selling that oil even that wont help. Banning texas oil for sale anywhere outside of texas for local use would fix their pretty red wagon nicely.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Annee

I thought you liked to read all sides of an issue.

Right Wing Christian site or Left Wing Atheist site.....both have opinions and information.

I do.

Others don't.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Profusion

Schools that reject this are losing out. THey need the federal money. The hate is so strong and sad.

not really. especially if the state of texas would do away with the 'robin hood' law for school funding. we have 2 school districts in West Texas worth in excess of $5bil each due to the oil value in their land holdings. This isn't including the valuations on pad sites that gain tax revenue for all taxable entities in the area.

to be honest, we are currently at a point where a local ISD would do better walking away from the federal government entirely, and focusing on education instead of testing. That would give all taxpayers a bigger bang for the buck.

This whole bathroom debacle....is only meant to make the race for our highest office seem just a little less outrageous.

Actually. IF the government bans texas from selling that oil even that wont help. Banning texas oil for sale anywhere outside of texas for local use would fix their pretty red wagon nicely.

the last thing uncle sam wants is a pissing match with Texas. Seriously. About 1/3 of the state is ready to secede at gunpoint as it is. Stepping on us out here in West Texas would be a very, very bad move. The last thing you want is Mexico looking like a better ally than DC.

This is a pissing match that DC just would not win. And likely would screw up the entire planet.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Would you be able to tell me the difference between making fun of a transgender person or making fun of someone from the south? Because I'm having a hard time distinguishing one bigotry from the other.

Calm down don't get your under roo's in a bunch. As I told another sensitive poster in another thread I am from the south, born but not raised in SC. I have never lived above the mason dixon line except when I lived over seas. I have heard my SC relatives refer to North Carolinians as hillbillies, does that make all North Carolinian's hillbillies? Absolutely not and speaking from personal experience when I dig deep into my own southern drawl people usually laugh because well it sounds kind of funny to them. There are distinguished and well spoken southerners no doubt but then there are also the straight up hill jack types that are as bumpkin as it gets. One half of my family is the distinguished type and the other half stereotypical white trash. So please do not presume to tell me what I know or do not know about the south and more importantly don't be offended by every little mention of a funny accent, sometimes its just plain funny.

Now I gotta get and wursh some laundry and wrangle some youngins and then head over yonder.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: Profusion

Schools that reject this are losing out. THey need the federal money. The hate is so strong and sad.

not really. especially if the state of texas would do away with the 'robin hood' law for school funding. we have 2 school districts in West Texas worth in excess of $5bil each due to the oil value in their land holdings. This isn't including the valuations on pad sites that gain tax revenue for all taxable entities in the area.

to be honest, we are currently at a point where a local ISD would do better walking away from the federal government entirely, and focusing on education instead of testing. That would give all taxpayers a bigger bang for the buck.

This whole bathroom debacle....is only meant to make the race for our highest office seem just a little less outrageous.

Actually. IF the government bans texas from selling that oil even that wont help. Banning texas oil for sale anywhere outside of texas for local use would fix their pretty red wagon nicely.

the last thing uncle sam wants is a pissing match with Texas. Seriously. About 1/3 of the state is ready to secede at gunpoint as it is. Stepping on us out here in West Texas would be a very, very bad move. The last thing you want is Mexico looking like a better ally than DC.

This is a pissing match that DC just would not win. And likely would screw up the entire planet.

1/3rd isnt the entire state. And since the constitution has been fixed to prevent secession(thanks lincoln you scum) I do not see them leaving. Texans will fold quicker than the french if they are all alone and seen to been seen as to started the issue over a bathroom. you gonna die for a bathroom?

texas would be in a civil war within itself if they tried secession seriously. Federal money is very addictive. Imagine th e restrictions on texans after such a action. ALl claims of ownership would be nullified and essentially texas would cease to exist as washington claimed all the oil and lands for national security.

There are two branches of the gender movement upon which legislation is based. The first group does not agree with the legislation, while the second group only exists as a government control tactic. Unfortunately, the second group has adherents and followers.

The first group is sincere and prefers to blend in with society's norms, safely transition if at all possible, and seeks laws and protections to live a normal life. The second group abuses the conflicts the first group experiences seeking normalcy, and instead encourages society to reject normalcy, at the expense of the first group and the majority of the population at large.

The legislation and directives in place are a political war from the second group, at the expense of the first group. Sadly, the medical procedures necessary for normalcy are almost non-existent. There is also a timeline of correctable deviation from birth.

Now imagine this:
The transsexual person is like a building. Being alive is like being set on fire.
The doctor is the firefighter. Their goal is to get from the fire station to the building, and put the fire out.

Some buildings are made of sturdier stuff, wetter wood. They are harder to burn down.
This is the same thing as the gene pool the transsexual comes from. Some genetics are by default more masculine or feminine. So being from a gene pool that is objectively more masculine in secondary sex characteristics, when you are transitioning from female to male, would be like being a sturdy building. Being from the gene pool that favors your current gender would be like a building made of kindling covered in lighter fluid with previous fire damage.

You all know of stories of women who resemble lumberjacks and men who always get the girls parts in segregated school plays. The second group mentioned above would have you disbelieve your own eyes and promote some gender fluid globalist nonsense.

Who benefits? Unisex clothing manufacturers. Military and School Bathroom architects. Shampoo and Soap companies. Tofu farms. There's trillions in industry that can benefit by promoting androgynous consumer societies. Of course, there's also trillions in industry that can be lost by embracing as the standard, the same society.

Oddly, members of the first group of transsexuals had no actual desire to establish an androgynous gender fluid society. If anything, the notion is anathema, as a person attempting to define themselves would become flustered and frustrated if the thing they became ceased to exist as a concept. A transsexual seeks to become a male or female. They do not seek to become Pat.

a reply to: yuppa

We aren't a state. we are a republic that entered the union via a treaty. We have always had the theoretical ability to remove ourselves from the union, or to vote to fracture our state into smaller states that are easier to manage for a central government.

We aren't a true state. We are a nation that agree to join up with the US. We even fought our war of independance. And won.

The only folks who might hand wring over us seceeding are some of the folks along i-35. Well, and maybe the folks on base when we seized the US military bases. And the Federal Reserve in Dallas.

a reply to: Freija

If you don't know what it means, then try thinking about it harder. Why call it gender identity and not just gender? It's like someone asking you if you have brown eyes, and saying that brown eyes are your eye color identity. It seems superfluous to me, more words than are necessary. Plus the fact that, once again, eye color isn't an identity just like man isn't an identity. These things are attributes.

That's part of what warrants some suspicion about the whole thing, IMO. When a concept doesn't make much sense, throw in a bunch of new, superfluous terms to confuse and jumble the logic. It's you lot who are making things more complicated than they have to be, not me.

You think I'm not on your "side", but I am. If everyone quit the identity BS, there would be no reason to pick transgenders out of the crowd and scrutinize them. Everyone would recognize people for what they are-- a single, unique individual with one singular identity. Identity politics only makes it easier to ostracize others.

You're, like, playing into "their" hands, knowwhatI'msaying?

Ok so I read a lot of the thread. This issue is thorny with me. I inherently don't trust it. But I'll say I think the reason it makes some people--inc myself--uncomfortable is because of the fear of what the unintended consequences will be. It's one thing to respect a transgender or transexual. I understand that. I want them to feel like they're not being discriminated against or harassed. That's something we all deserve. HOWEVER, in the process of ensuring those things, we monkey with a lot of stuff and the fear is we'll screw something up. We don't understand everything. Even the experts don't understand everything. Hence, if we start screwing with the wrong things then who knows what will occur? Fundamentally, this is about fear of change too. Fear of unintended consequences IS very easily fear of change.

I think another thing is some of us might feel inecure about our own identity. I'm a male for example. I want to feel and be male. When I was younger I had my doubts about myself, but I mostly did male-ish things, so I eventually became confident about it. To me, all of this gender blurring stuff is like an attack on my own identity. So I think male-ish things are XYZ, right? Well according to the gender blur, male-ish things are social constructs. So the only thing which identifies me as a male are my reproductive parts and maybe my testosterone levels and possibly genetic markers like chromosome count(s). It essentially takes what has always been solid gorund for me--namely male-ish things giving me a sense of identity--and it throws all of them away, leaving me only with my body parts and a vague sense of loss. Don't get me wrong, I still identify with traditionally male-ish things, but my confidence in them as a meter of my own maleness is shaken., making me wonder who I am really?

If tomorrow UFOs landed and tell us our history is a lie, wouldn't that threaten your identity? It should. It'd at least turn your world upside down for a while. YOu might then start to understand how I feel right now.

I'm probably worrying too much. Checking out.

"“He ain’t my president and he can’t tell me what to do. The letter is going straight into the paper shredder.”

How can anyone take this idiot seriously? Obama isn't his president? The majority of people in this country elected him, he should promptly get the # out and move somewhere else.