Schools reject Obama transgender decree: ‘Straight into the paper shredder’

Unfortunately I think this is because the different groups, (including government), pandering to those they are only pretending to want to help, only do so like scam artists to get votes and funding for their false cause. They have made fortunes doing this, and Obama is a perfect example of this kind of scam. Once he gets what he wants from people he throws them under the proverbial bus.

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: Talorc
I understand this veers away from the transgender debate in particular, but maybe I commented here because I hate to see movements, that are based at the core on goodness and decency, descend into the same factionalist monkey behavior that they were conceived against. You don't fight fire with fire, you fight it with water.

Yeah, we have drifted into strange realms here and I'm not quite sure what you're saying isn't going over my head? I am blonde after all and in my sixties so I'm not clear if I'm getting your point or just hearing the whoosh so help me out.

What "movements" are you talking about specifically so I can get back on track or maybe find the track I haven't fully connected with yet and what are the factions of the monkey behavior you're talking about? What I'm getting is you either have a thing for 10-second sound byte, superficial pop media Facebook/Reddit/Tumblr/Twitter Internet culture or religious fundamentalism "goodness and decency" gone awry? Is this a liberal/conservative thing or an LGB thing? Is it social progressiveness and equality and civil rights issues or because you're stuck in your ways and slow or unwilling to adapt fast enough and it's making you uncomfortable?

Or is what you're saying actually on topic? You know, Obama doing the same thing the conservative republicans are doing and using transgender people and LGB rights issues as pawns to align and polarize, divide and distract? All I know is it sure as hell is making people's heads explode and bringing out the alarmists because their "traditional" values are threatened, which in today's world are often associated with bigotry, racism, prejudice, trans/homo phobia, etc.

Society, culture and things change and whether it is recognized or not, we are in the middle of or on the cusp of something big that is a lot more than just bathrooms.

Discuss. Want to understand and am enjoying the exchange. (am out for the evening though)

ETA: I read you edit after I posted which clarified what you're talking about somewhat. Too tired to edit what I wrote but I sort of get it now. Let's keep talking to further understanding and maybe find middle or common ground?

What traditional values do you think I'm hung up on? I don't have many and wasn't raised with many. Beyond the basic respect I have for Western philosophy (the old sort, not the modern sort) that I cultivated on my own as an adult.

What exactly would I be struggling to adapt to? I'm not opposed to LGBT, and what I am opposed to (political group-think etc.) has not changed since the time Plutarch wrote about Greek city-states. I'm certainly already familiar with it and how it works. There's nothing for me to adapt to, because absolutely nothing has changed. Do you really think all this stuff going on now is unique to this era?

Progress is a myth, there is no progress. Our development seems cyclical, so far. Periods of advancement and regression. I might change my tune before I die. We'll see.

And I'm just going to tell you flat out, I don't care about the bathroom topic and have no interest in discussing it. If my posts are too offensively off-topic, moderators feel free to remove them.

a reply to: JimiBlack

I was thinking of the similarities between safe spaces and segregation. I mean, these are places where only black people will be allowed I take it.

Surely affirmative action must have done something. They've got quotas to fill(?), some get the raw end of the deal like Asians in colleges. Interestingly enough they still support it. I'm sure a lot of whites being turned down jobs do notice a difference.

originally posted by: TheLaughingGod
a reply to: JimiBlack

I was thinking of the similarities between safe spaces and segregation. I mean, these are places where only black people will be allowed I take it.

Surely affirmative action must have done something. They've got quotas to fill(?), some get the raw end of the deal like Asians in colleges. Interestingly enough they still support it. I'm sure a lot of whites being turned down jobs do notice a difference.

I get what you're saying, but affirmative action has not been utilized by the majority of "black" people. And most private sector employers, especially small businesses, have no quotas.

a reply to: Sargeras

Well they also have to fill out the required paperwork and own at least 3 pink things. You know, because socialised behaviour demands it.

a reply to: JimiBlack

I don't doubt that. It is what it is.

For any of you who use the bullying argument to support the bathroom issue...

It's not like the bullying occurs in the bathroom... They occur in the hallway and classrooms. It'll be even worse now that eveyone is going to be aware of what bathrooms people use, thanks to the new bills.

a reply to: Kuroodo

It'll be even worse now that eveyone is going to be aware of what bathrooms people use, thanks to the new bills.

You mean 'cuz of the bathroom cops checking birth certificates?
Or because of the busy bodies saying "You don't look like no real girl, you ain't 'llowed."

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Kuroodo

It'll be even worse now that eveyone is going to be aware of what bathrooms people use, thanks to the new bills.

You mean 'cuz of the bathroom cops checking birth certificates?
Or because of the busy bodies saying "You don't look like no real girl, you ain't 'llowed."

Just general attention. Nobody cared or paid much attention to what bathrooms peole used. Nkw everyone is going to pay attention and notice it. When they notice little Jimmy using the girls bathroom, bullies will begin to pick on him

The bathroom he uses won't save him from discrimination or bullying either.

a reply to: Kuroodo
Indeed.

Do you think that may have been the intent of those who passed laws about who can't use which restroom?

part of me wants to applaud marfa for respecting this student.

the other part of me knows that marfa knows how to market itself.

but here ya go, for you folks who like to bash texas and the south as being backward...we beat you to your own game;


www.newswest9.com...

MARFA, TX (KWES) -
The Marfa Independent School District is taking a step to better accommodate their students. It all started this past year when their only transgender student voiced his concerns about their restroom situation.

"He wants his privacy and he's like, 'I don't want to cause a ruckus. I just want to feel safe,''" said Marfa ISD superintendent Andrew Peters.

Peters said the district has had gender neutral private restrooms since the schools were built in the 1960's, but the high school does not have that option for transgender students.

"I want us to be sending the message that we care about everybody and their privacy and their rights to be able to use the facilities comfortably," said Peters.

The transgender student currently has to go to another building to use the restroom. Peters came up with a simple solution. The school will convert a small men's restroom to a private bathroom with a lock. The restroom will be available to everyone next school year.

Peters said the idea was not meant to be controversial.

"We are just trying to provide for the kids needs of our school. I think other schools could do the same," said Peters. "I think it could save them a lot of headaches."

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
part of me wants to applaud marfa for respecting this student.

the other part of me knows that marfa knows how to market itself.

but here ya go, for you folks who like to bash texas and the south as being backward...we beat you to your own game;


www.newswest9.com...

MARFA, TX (KWES) -
The Marfa Independent School District is taking a step to better accommodate their students. It all started this past year when their only transgender student voiced his concerns about their restroom situation.

"He wants his privacy and he's like, 'I don't want to cause a ruckus. I just want to feel safe,''" said Marfa ISD superintendent Andrew Peters.

Peters said the district has had gender neutral private restrooms since the schools were built in the 1960's, but the high school does not have that option for transgender students.

"I want us to be sending the message that we care about everybody and their privacy and their rights to be able to use the facilities comfortably," said Peters.

The transgender student currently has to go to another building to use the restroom. Peters came up with a simple solution. The school will convert a small men's restroom to a private bathroom with a lock. The restroom will be available to everyone next school year.

Peters said the idea was not meant to be controversial.

"We are just trying to provide for the kids needs of our school. I think other schools could do the same," said Peters. "I think it could save them a lot of headaches."

As long as everyone can use it and not just special snowflakes? Sure why not.

originally posted by: Talorc

What traditional values do you think I'm hung up on? I don't have many and wasn't raised with many. Beyond the basic respect I have for Western philosophy (the old sort, not the modern sort) that I cultivated on my own as an adult.

What exactly would I be struggling to adapt to? I'm not opposed to LGBT, and what I am opposed to (political group-think etc.) has not changed since the time Plutarch wrote about Greek city-states. I'm certainly already familiar with it and how it works. There's nothing for me to adapt to, because absolutely nothing has changed. Do you really think all this stuff going on now is unique to this era?

Progress is a myth, there is no progress. Our development seems cyclical, so far. Periods of advancement and regression. I might change my tune before I die. We'll see.

And I'm just going to tell you flat out, I don't care about the bathroom topic and have no interest in discussing it. If my posts are too offensively off-topic, moderators feel free to remove them.

I was shocked to read some old Greek Literature and find that literally every single plot we use is just a ripoff of better things they did. Even Shakespeare (or Shakespire as they call him in the future) just ripped the Greeks off. They literally figured it all out 2-3,000 years ago they were amazing.

a reply to: LordDraconia

would you think the average person would be so petty as to demand to get to use that specific toilet, just so that someone else doesn't feel special?

I mean, if that's what floats yer boat...no law against obnoxiousness.

originally posted by: LordDraconia

originally posted by: Talorc

What traditional values do you think I'm hung up on? I don't have many and wasn't raised with many. Beyond the basic respect I have for Western philosophy (the old sort, not the modern sort) that I cultivated on my own as an adult.

What exactly would I be struggling to adapt to? I'm not opposed to LGBT, and what I am opposed to (political group-think etc.) has not changed since the time Plutarch wrote about Greek city-states. I'm certainly already familiar with it and how it works. There's nothing for me to adapt to, because absolutely nothing has changed. Do you really think all this stuff going on now is unique to this era?

Progress is a myth, there is no progress. Our development seems cyclical, so far. Periods of advancement and regression. I might change my tune before I die. We'll see.

And I'm just going to tell you flat out, I don't care about the bathroom topic and have no interest in discussing it. If my posts are too offensively off-topic, moderators feel free to remove them.

I was shocked to read some old Greek Literature and find that literally every single plot we use is just a ripoff of better things they did. Even Shakespeare (or Shakespire as they call him in the future) just ripped the Greeks off. They literally figured it all out 2-3,000 years ago they were amazing.

Indeed they were. The Greeks still haven't been matched or superseded by any society to date, in most every sense. They figured things out that we are just now figuring out again. It's such a pitiful fallacy to believe we modern people are somehow the torchbearers and pioneers of all human progress.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: LordDraconia

would you think the average person would be so petty as to demand to get to use that specific toilet, just so that someone else doesn't feel special?

I mean, if that's what floats yer boat...no law against obnoxiousness.

Probably. I don't give people much credit. If one person gets something special, that makes the rest feel like they're missing out on something.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
LOL way back in 1998 to 2002 when I was in High School I was a straight male and always snuck into the office and used their bathroom way before this was ever a thing. The staff bathroom is way better.

originally posted by: LordDraconia
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
LOL way back in 1998 to 2002 when I was in High School I was a straight male and always snuck into the office and used their bathroom way before this was ever a thing. The staff bathroom is way better.

Were you forced to?

Did kids question why you didn't use the regular student restrooms?

It's not a joke.

What I have noticed is this is going much deeper than transgenders using restrooms of the sex they identify with. I have a Facebook friend who is white but does not identify as such. She was discussing how when she applies for a job she should be able to check the box that says African American. Then I overheard a guy speaking about how he should identify as a woman so he can get a scholarship to play on a college women's basketball team. I am sure his comment was tongue and cheek but I believe the woman was serious, so I am curious where do we have to draw the line? I believe this whole discussion is to draw attention off of something else but some of these people are indeed serious. I am pretty indifferent on this topic at hand but the conversations I am hearing are spiraling out of control.