Transgendered children: should a parent be able to chemically alter a child's sex?

a reply to: Freija
I think this goes deeper than parental influence. I have always supported parents over Big Government.
That is also why I don't support the kind of cultural and psychological indoctrination of small children which has been ongoing in the public schools. I studied the Montessori Method in the 80's and am fully aware of the nature of the child in early development. It is well known by Montessori educators that children absorb what is in their environment though they have a deep inner life. It is amazing to me that people are believing that somehow so many many children are just having so much gender confusion naturally and that it is up to society to put massive amounts of propaganda in front of all children to supposedly address this issue all in the name of change. I have also posted about cultural Marxism and ironically the Common Core lessons are a page out of that. You and others here can deny it all you like.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: neutronflux
Brainwashing has gone deep neutron. I don't know what to say to people who have bought the lies.
People have not seen the bigger picture either but this article I posted seems to have rubbed a few people the wrong way....so hmmmm might we wonder why?

In its “anchor standards,” the framework says children should learn to think of themselves as typical collectivists, based on their “identity” in various “groups” — race, class, gender, sexuality, and so on. “Students will develop positive social identities based on their membership in multiple groups in society,” says the first anchor standard in the “identity” section. In the “action” section it adds: “Students will plan and carry out collective action against bias and injustice in the world and will evaluate what strategies are most effective.” In other words, schools should produce legions of radical leftist social justice warriors to go out and demand wealth redistribution, Big Government, “tolerance” at gunpoint, and more. Indeed, the “teaching tolerance” project makes absolutely clear that it is about more than just indoctrinating students — it is also about spawning little activists who will go out into the world and spread the SPLC's radical views in their schools, communities, and beyond. The program, founded in 1991, is described by the SPLC as an “online K-12 literacy-based anti-bias curriculum designed to help teachers deliver culturally responsive instruction while meeting the requirements of the Common Core State Standards for English Language Arts/Literacy.” It also has a magazine that it sends out to half-a-million “educators” across America. But it is much more than that.

www.thenewamerican.com...

The bigger picture is that these children are the future and are exposed to te adult world on a daily basis, so by showing them the divide they are represented in society by that bias even though they are somewhat still innocent to all of that bias, and showing them how tey can work together away from that current bias can help them move to a more socially cohesive future away from such bias... as those aging and clinging too old hate and bias die off for a better world and tomorrow tat is essentially theres... so why all the clinging by old dagger mouths wanting to devour the future insteaf of pass on something better and happier for the world and the children inheriting it?

Because of belief? 1000s of years and belief is still make believe and people still divided and killing and hating and using it as perpetuated systems of greed to make money... so in essence shut up enjoy the retirement and watch the kids play as they want to play because your time is wasted trying to make them just like you or how it was in the past when both are an absolute impossibility when it comes to an individual unless of course youre a fan of cloning and mind control based on everyone being one homogenious mass of conformity... in such a case I dont see why people dont panel every surface of their dwelling with mirrors so they can infinitely stare at such perfect all day everyday and not feel alone in that reflection of god like emanence but trying to make a mirror on every face one sees in such a diversity that is only appearances?

Thats a pretty low blow, as everyone has the same basic hopes and dreams and well basic needs, so discriminating in that mirror that it doesnt reflect oneself? Theres an old slave song that goes look away away and well no one but hate is whistling dixie these days even though its a catchy tune like a common cold and that cold is what many want to leave things and people dont like out in it.

Equality means fairness justness and unbiasedness, so who is anyone to judge another cause when it happens unfairness unjustness and bias... thats why assualting anothers well being with intent to assualt it is seen as a crime against the very peace of humanity itself, the rationale or reason for doing so is moot... harm is harm, harm another and we really just harm ourselves thinking otherwise is delusional ignorance that one must overcome so life doesnt suck.

Im glad to see what you posted, since it prepares all that beauty for all the ugly they are going to be facing...

Hmmmm, "Fundy" propaganda, intolerance, judgement, ignorance, "head-in-sand", hate.

Or

Open mindedness, accepting differences, science, believing a person knows them self, etc along those lines.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: Freija

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Sadly anything from Huffpo is leftist propaganda

An intelligent person looks at both sides of an issue before making a decision or judgement so guess you don't fall into that category. I also didn't know we were limited to using only using right-wing conservative fundamental propaganda or statements from identified hate groups like the American College of Pediatricians you linked.

Hey! I can edit too
Your thenewamerican.com is nothing but right wing spittle

Some sites like:
glenbeck.com
billoreilly.com
rushlimbaugh.com
renewamerica.com

Anybody with a lick of sense can see right through the bs in your quote. Sorry

Sadly many cannot see through the huffpo propaganda. Renew America is just a conservative site but doesn't make it propaganda. I remember back in the days of the Cold War we used to talk about the KGB
Propaganda in Pravda ru but nowadays people don't recognize the same stuff in leftist media.
Both sides of the issue eh.... Sadly you seem
To still see only the left side. I do see both sides but it doesn't mean I have to agree with them both. We can study Hegelian dialectical reasoning and parse current political dialogue.

Conservative media is the laughing stock of every other media source on the planet....

I am the first one who pointed out the propaganda in the huff Po article. So it is kinda hard to accuse me of not checking both sides. I am a very unemotional person by nature, and I don't doubt those participating in this thread would disagree . However, the propaganda battle in American politics is not a zero sum game. They do not put out equal amounts of propaganda....and I watch/listen to WAY more conservative sources because I live in the south.


Hell, the daily show and Jon Stewart became a house hold name, mainly by pointing it out.

Starting with the assertion that :

"all the WORLDS media are in a vast conspiracy to make the republicans (one political party in one country) look bad and the dems look good! We are not the ones who are lying to you, EVERYONE else is."

Through

"the war on Christmas",

and

"rich white males are the most discriminated against class!"

Also

"Communism, socialism, unions, (to be added by GOP at random) , exc are not economic systems. They are inherently evil. If I point to something and call it any of those things. You should instantly hate it with no further consideration...also please not look up the dictionary definition for any of these terms...."



Oh, and let's not forget my personal favorite....


"All the worlds scientists are in a vast global conspiracy to pass a policy for ONE political party in ONE country...."


Conservative media doesn't even try and hide their lies anymore. They assume republicans believe that "all the worlds media ar in a vast conspiracy for Obama." So they don't have to hide their lies they will believe whatever they tell you them.

Dems have to cleverly hide them, as in the huff Po article.....because there is no global conspiracy and they will be called out.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: redshoes

People like to throw a lot of terms around. Did you know that binary in this regard refers to the biological reality of xx and xy chromosomes which determine the sex of the baby...... Progressives like to confuse things when they use the term gender to define someone who feels they were born in the wrong body. In even a short amount of research I found out that the medical establishment can not change the chromosomes they can only affect the hormones and then do surgery. That's fine for an adult but it's a travesty that this is being pushed on large numbers of children by a radical group of people and unwitting tools. It also seems that progressives will do and say just about Anything to get their way,

There would be a "chain of command." Between DNA and output. Even tho you have an X/Y gene, I'm guessing another gene could tell your brain to wire itself incorrectly. Overwriting the initial codes blueprint.

originally posted by: Annee
Hmmmm, "Fundy" propaganda, intolerance, judgement, ignorance, "head-in-sand", hate.

Or

Open mindedness, accepting differences, science, believing a person knows them self, etc along those lines.

I think along these lines regarding this issue. I also try to not make any judgement whatsoever as I haven't gone through it with a child. Everyone is full of hot air when they have no context and if they were personally in the situation, things would be very very different.

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

Bias, old dagger mouth, old slave song, assaulting others well being....well well if that isn't the most hyperbole I've ever read in a post..... Ever! You just threw in as much as you could. You forgot the kitchen sink! Look, all this hopey/changey stuff is part if the Marxist MO and old Saul would be so proud. Do you have a signed copy too?
Let me tell you something, the more you insult me the more I know the Mysterious Stranger who said, "sign that document" was right. And everyone who signed the document he was putting his life on the line for individual liberty. Please don't insult me with such hyperbole. Please study the Constitution. Nowhere does it say that to achieve liberty and equality must we use public schools to indoctrinate children and make war over gender equality. Study it, study Hegelian dialectic, study the Communist Manifest, study antony sutton, and then come back to me and for Petes sake put down Rules for Radicals.

and showing them how tey can work together away from that current bias can help them move to a more socially cohesive future away from such bias

All such lovely sounding platitudes. We have gotten away from real education to prepare children and youth and waded into the deep marshes and swamps where the alligators live. The people who have put those Common Core lessons together are radicals with an agenda.
I met this woman in 1980 and listened to her.. www.internationalparentingassociation.org...

ED: Can you explain how this works?
MC: Montessori's principles are very precise. There is a perfect window of opportunity for learning various skills and concepts. By teaching a child skills at the optimal time, you help them make the most of their natural development. Schools today for example, think children should learn to read in third grade. That's a formula for failure. It's much too late because the developmental stage for reading happens at an earlier age. Dr. Montessori also stressed the concept of the absorbent mind. Children learn by absorbing everything they see and hear, especially in the first six years. Those years are very delicate. Parents and teachers must pay very careful attention to what a child is exposed to. Maria Montessori always said that there is no eraser– that what has been absorbed has become part of the child, for better or for worse.

So I'm telling you that the armies of radicals know that young children are susceptible to indoctrination. There are no gender confusion lessons in a Montessori classroom.
By the way, Caspari made a trek to the Himalayas and met a wise lama there.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz

originally posted by: Annee
Hmmmm, "Fundy" propaganda, intolerance, judgement, ignorance, "head-in-sand", hate.

Or

Open mindedness, accepting differences, science, believing a person knows them self, etc along those lines.

I think along these lines regarding this issue. I also try to not make any judgement whatsoever as I haven't gone through it with a child. Everyone is full of hot air when they have no context and if they were personally in the situation, things would be very very different.

I'm raising a high functioning autistic 8 year old boy. He's been in behavior modification class since age 3. His autistic behaviors were first recognized by his pre-school teacher about age 2. He has an IEP, repeated kindergarten to give him more maturity to follow class lessons.

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From those of non-context: he's just a boy, normal behavior for a boy, he shouldn't be labeled, he's being mind controlled to fit the system, he just needs to be physically active in sports, he spends too much time in front of a computer, he needs more chores to learn responsibility, he needs a father figure, he needs to show you more respect, etc, etc, etc.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes they are targeting the children as young as kindergarten because they know that before 7 they are the most vulnerable to indoctrination. Common Core is chock full of indoctrination. I have already posted it last night. Unfortunately some do not see the truth and the handwriting on the wall. People who are against Common Core are not necessarily Republican or Democrat....

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Actually Joshua, I believe that the Totalitarian nightmare which is the UN One World Government is neither right nor left, Democrat nor Republican, etc....just like the late Antony Sutton said. The Synthesis of these opposites is the New World Order. www.prisonplanet.com...
Many Republicans today are tied into the NWO.

Common Core - - if you search me on ATS - - you will read where I blasted Common Core.

Non Context: I blasted Common Core from negative propaganda.

With Context: first hand experience Common Core 1st grade - - - - I am in full support. It is in reality "back to the basics" "R'R'R" - - only modernized by math professionals (and others). As from the movie: "Big Hero 6" - "Look at things from a different angle".

It does require parental involvement, working with the child and helping them understand, in my experience.

Major focus on academics in: reading, writing, math. No more babysitting. in my experience.

As far as creativity goes, there are so many classes available outside of academic school today - - - every child can pick what fits them. Besides, can you really teach creativity? IMO its much better the child finds what specifically works for them.

The Man Behind Common Core Math: www.npr.org...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Values clarification...the precursor to the hideous Common Core standards and used to destroy the family unit just as Marx wanted

Various humanist organizations have used the National Education Association and its 1.4 million teachers to indoctrinate our children with the various credos of Humanism. In a book published by the NEA's Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development, titled To Nurture Humaneness, under the subtitle "Technology and the Decline of Organized Religion," the humanistic message of this organization is made quite plain: "If schools are to move toward humanism, then humanism must become important to all of us, students, teachers, administrators, and the general public." For some time now, NEA educators, under the guise of "behavior modification" and "values-clarification," have been subverting our parental authority, our homes, and the religious beliefs of our children. When one tries to point this out, one is simply labeled a bigoted, anti-intellectual religious fanatic.

The problem with the Values-clarification technique developed by the humanists is that it is alleged to be "values free." What this means is that the children who are subjected to this technique are taught that there are no absolutes and that one is free to choose any value one likes. Teachers who use values-clarification this way are actually teaching the student that whatever he or she decides is right, is right. This is exactly what the humanists have claimed in their manifesto: "Ethics is autonomous and situational, needing no theological or ideological sanction."

allanturner.com...

a reply to: Annee

So you blasted Common Core then you go on to post an npr liberal piece making it look all wonderful.... good going annee
Perhaps you only dislike conservative indoctrination.
Here's what's really going on
danetteclark.wordpress.com...

fellowshipoftheminds.com...

oh yah and the same number of stickers to each friend....oh economic justice written all over that one... and I ran across a Common Core workbook, it was in one of the rooms where I stay and the book had gotten left behind. Wow.... and sure nuff climate change was in it.... all this social and economic justice stuff is the same old Marxism in a pretty new package....and its collectivist not Liberty, oh yah and Common Core is teaching that all "right wing groups are fascist"
www.pinterest.com...

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Annee

So you blasted Common Core then you go on to post an npr liberal piece making it look all wonderful.... good going annee
Perhaps you only dislike conservative indoctrination.

I stated very specifically that - - I blasted Common Core because of negative propaganda. That is my error.

Direct experience with Common Core proved my perception of it from negative propaganda to be wrong.

NPR is not a Bible Thumping site - - can't really expect you to agree with it.

a reply to: Annee

Annee I voted for Ron Paul and said so on an NPR exit poll interview. You don't know me as well as you think you do. But I know what npr really is.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: Annee

Annee I voted for Ron Paul and said so on an NPR exit poll interview. You don't know me as well as you think you do. But I know what npr really is.

I've read enough of your links to have a pretty good idea of the sources you use.

I would never vote for Ron Paul.

Danette Clark: Christian, conservative mom.

Hopeful America will be restored but realistic that it will never happen unless we stop the progressive indoctrination currently taking place in schools nationwide. danetteclark.wordpress.com...

Who is Dr. Eowyn?

. . . . written by someone calling themselves “Dr. Eowyn”, who goes to great lengths to remain anonymous not only throughout this book, but on their own crank website, “Fellowship of the Minds”.

But I wanted to know a bit more about the kind of person who could # out something so vile and have the audacity to commit it to print. Were they actually a professor and professional author, as they so proudly claimed? Without a name, we have only their word, and can we really trust the word of someone capable of making so many elementary mistakes? So I did some digging and it wasn’t long before I found the information I was looking for.

Much like “Fellowship of the Minds” appears to be a “Lord of the Rings” reference, “Rivendell” is an “Elven outpost” in Middle Earth. These Tolkien references play an important role in establishing the identity of “Dr. Eowyn” (yet another LOTR reference), so bear with me.

While some of the e-mail addresses were not directly linked to names, I was still able to determine that the “eorivendell” address belonged to Maria Chang. www.crisisactorsguild.com...#-who-is-dr-eowyn/

Who is Maria Chang?

Found her: She's very much into Lord of the Rings, etc - - seems to have gone off the deep end not being able to separate reality from fiction IMO.

This seems to be her discussing Equal Pay Discrimination of Women. Maria Mariko Hsia Chang: www.c-span.org.../equal-pay-compensation-discrimination

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Linking me to an entire page of books/articles against Common Core means nothing.

Each person has a perspective of why they think a certain way. Until you know that perspective - - just saying I'm against Common Core means nothing. I'm not going to research every author.

Start a thread, or another one on Common Core.

Linking me to an entire page of books/articles against Common Core means nothing.

a reply to: Annee

Did it put you in overwhelm? So sorry. I know its a lot to sift through but even if you just look at the headlines you can see that its not Democrat or Republican left or right it just is Draconian. There was a combo of twitter and other things to look at. Common Core at the very least is a national thing and touted as something which will get all standards harmonized. There is only about 15% teacher input in the content and the rest is determined by the Fed. Why people say they hate nationalism yet accept this type of collectivism which overrides states rights and teacher input? The teachers don't even see the tests, it's computerized. And for all this gender identity stuff to be part of this high stakes testing to me is way out of the bounds of what our schools should be doing, and all because of a bunch of radicals who hate America and want to bring it down to size with all this Marxist rhetoric with social and economic justice and so on. It's just as Dinesh DSouza said in his documentary.
Also as you can see, the parents cannot opt out of any of this social justice and radical sex ed stuff because its all embedded within the entire curriculum and not just special individual courses. It's embedded in the math and English lessons. I'm sorry you were unable to parse any of that in my postings, or links.

I've also personally seen lessons which hint at climate change science. I'm guessing though that you would not find this odious even though its not real science but pseudo science with no real basis and a made up consensus just like Agenda 21 makes up consensus to justify and get people thinking its the right thing. I'm telling you it's straight up radical indoctrination.
What percentage of all children statistically speaking actually have gender dysphoria and require hormone and sex change therapy and why do we need to address this in ALL children? Why aren't these people taking care of this in private instead of putting it in everyone's heads? I will tell you....its because it IS an agenda and it's radical and the hatred of the child and the family is at the base of it.
I brought in the Common Core to this thread because of the nature of the CC content involving transgenderism and the parents cannot opt out and I am pretty sure it's just creating more gender confusion in children who otherwise would not have this issue. Why is this being discussed in classrooms across the country like there's some kind of epidemic of gender confusion that requires a state of national emergency like Ebola or something????? Why don't parents have the right to opt out of this? But you are fighting for parents to have the right to arbitrarily change their child's gender chemically for the rest of their lives????? I have posted that children can be very vulnerable and open to suggestiveness in their environment, I have posted links to pedagogical awareness of child development.
Where else would you like to go in this discussion? By the way if you or others didn't know, the Montessori method is and has been worldwide especially in places like France and India.

a reply to: Annee

Oh you hate everything Christian don't you annee. You cannot hide your disdain for all things Christian. I am even more New Age and into Hinduism but I am open to the truth in all the world's religions.
And secular humanism is a kind of religion even John Dewey a humanist agreed. And yes I have disdain for most things humanist, especially the most radical kind.
Secular humanism says that mankind need not have anything absolute, no absolute truth, everything is relative, relative morality and that is where true morality begins to break down.
Here is just one headline on that page I posted...

On Common Core: It is geared toward ensuring “schoolchildren believe that America has been a nation of bigots, racists, greedy collusive poverty creating capitalists, war mongering imperialists, anti-immigrant, segregating, discriminating, and disenfranchising racists and farmers; and that kids should be an anti-war peace loving through diplomacy, diversity and immigration seeking, tolerant through racial identity politicking citizens of big government spending through redistribution of weal... More

www.pinterest.com...

So if that is exactly what you are fighting for, and I suspect you are, then so be it. Nothing I say will ever be of worth to you. We are on opposite sides here and will always be.