Trump reveals when he thinks America was great

a reply to: Aazadan

Women by wanting to work doubled the labor supply and created a situation where women now have to work.

More historical errors. During WWII women were encouraged to work so that men could be sent off to fight. They didn't necessarily want to; they were asked to.

a reply to: MystikMushroom
Your union synopsis looks good, until you compare it to the greediness of the 70s and 80s that played a part in the mass exodous of jobs later on. Just stop. Same with your tax rate scenario

a reply to: kitzik

China's economy is already in panic mode. The moment they stop shipping Nike's and Iphone's is the moment their economy capsizes.

Economic slowdown: Does China know what it's doing?
China’s Looming Currency Crisis

originally posted by: Astyanax
More historical errors. During WWII women were encouraged to work so that men could be sent off to fight. They didn't necessarily want to; they were asked to.

During WW2 women were working due to a labor shortage. The time being referred to by Trump is the post war years at which point things went back to what was normal. Women stayed at home while men worked. There were few dual income families in those days, and few women were truly financially independent.

It's not wrong that women wanted to work and support themselves but society certainly isn't better off for it economically, though we probably are socially.

This goes back to the issue that the economic prosperity Trump wants can't be recreated unless we build a support structure to convince half the population to drop out of the labor force.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Arizonaguy



America single-handedly rebuilt western Europe, Japan and parts of Asia post WWII.

USA did plough massive investment into Europe post WW2 but it was the Europeans that rebuilt Europe. we got back on our feet and started exporting our goods all over the world again and built our states again.

Trump is right on the great period post WW2 at least here in the UK. Our factories were pouring goods out of the gates sending them all over the world. We wer competitive and everybody had a job and people actually believed in Great Britain as a leading light.

The export of our jobs to China ruined all this and made our countries take a dive.

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: Arizonaguy

In that event, we tariff them out of our market,

So if companies like Nike,Apple and Ford continues outsourcing you want to implement heavy tariffs until they are no longer a viable company in the U.S market...?
For one your ignoring the variable that corporate lobbyists won't be whispering into the ears of politicians in congress to keep a proposal of increased tariffs from even passing.
Second tariffs are old-school, our service based economy thrives more upon free-trade than it does by restricting and it ends up hurting consumers whom purchase imports.

we offer to loan start up money to new industry that produces what they do, plus tax incentives, and we bury the SOBs.

Where's the loan coming from?

I guess you missed the part about Ford already taking the hint. Second, if Trump is elected congress will be running scared. They get elected every two years, and Trump isn't afraid to name names. Third, don't even use the words service based and economy in the same sentence. What we have is a giant piece of dung. We haven't gotten above an annual growth rate of 2.5% since Obama took office, even though our 50 year average prior to him was 3.1%. Our national debt as a percentage of the GDP is 75% , historically it was around 35%. We have almost twice as many people on food stamps now as then when he took office, The annual median income is less now than when he took office, and he only created 600,000 more jobs than Reagan did back in the 80s even though there are almost 100,000,000 more people now. Economy my keester.

Where are we going to get the money for start up loans? Same place that we get money for almost 50 million people on assistance, and refugees, and foreign aid.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

USA screwed Great Britain btw. It wasn't knock to kill, but rather knock and merge the elites.
Anyway to speak of Great Britain after ww2 is laughable.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Aazadan

Women by wanting to work doubled the labor supply and created a situation where women now have to work.

More historical errors. During WWII women were encouraged to work so that men could be sent off to fight. They didn't necessarily want to; they were asked to.

Did you miss the OP where Trump names this period as being AFTER WWll? Or are you intentionally being obtuse?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: TaleDawn

Sure, the late 40's and 50's were "great"...

If you were a white male.

Imagine what could happen now, if everyone gets together and drops all the "poor me, it's your fault" BS.

a reply to: MrSpad

Your post nails it. This thread is a wrap.

You think that may have something to do with all the damn money they have leached from the USA?

Leeched?

They sold you goods for that money.

Enjoy the use of what you paid for and then claim you were robbed, eh?

It is time an IQ restriction was brought in to limit universal franchise.

originally posted by: kitzik
a reply to: ufoorbhunter

USA screwed Great Britain btw. It wasn't knock to kill, but rather knock and merge the elites.
Anyway to speak of Great Britain after ww2 is laughable.

USA did steal our empire true, stabbed us in the back during Suez, but Britain was reeling out the goods from its factories right through the fifties and sixties sending stuff around the world. Britain was an economic heavyweight still. Even with the rise of Japan we still we playing the game. We still played on a fairly level playing field.

Then came the Chinese and commie labour cheap as chips. They don't play fair and all our jobs have gone there. It's all about China ruining our period of greatness and something really does need to be done. Imagine a world where China didn't even exist, I swear things would be better for everybody

a reply to: MystikMushroom

So what is it, America was never great?

or as hillary says,

America has always been great.

or as Trump says,

America used to be great?

originally posted by: Astyanax

You think that may have something to do with all the damn money they have leached from the USA?

Leeched?

They sold you goods for that money.

Enjoy the use of what you paid for and then claim you were robbed, eh?

It is time an IQ restriction was brought in to limit universal franchise.

oh, pardon me...LEECHED. better?

a reply to: Aazadan

During WW2 women were working due to a labor shortage. The time being referred to by Trump is the post war years at which point things went back to what was normal. Women stayed at home while men worked. There were few dual income families in those days, and few women were truly financially independent.

You Trumpsters really do need to have it all spelled out for you, eh?

1941-1945: the US government does everything in its power to mobilize women for war production. Remember Rosie the Riveter? That kind of thing.

1946 onwards: women in the workforce, quite mystifyingly, don’t want to go back to scraping excrement off diapers. They're also quite keen to be making their own money and not having to ask the Hubster (a kind of Trumpster-at-home) for a few bucks whenever they want to have their hair done. So they stay in work, and guess what, it’s great for economic growth and for women too. In fact, even more of them enter the workforces, so that the proportion of women in the workforce increases every decade from 1940 to 2000.

2016: a media avatar built up of the resentment and confusion of poorly-educated white Americans wants to turn the clock back to a world that never actually existed except in the fairytales of Hollywood and television.

Reading the opinions of Trumpsters reminds me of Hegel: ‘once the world of ideas has been transformed, reality cannot hold out for long.' Hegel, of course, was a favourite philosopher of both Marx and Hitler. He was also wrong, as Hitler and Marx both found out to their cost.

a reply to: Aazadan


Thank-you for that thorough reply! In that case, we'd better hope that China stays prosperous enough to keep paying the U.S. what it owes us in bond interest, since they owe us more than we owe them.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Trump is right on the great period post WW2 at least here in the UK. Our factories were pouring goods out of the gates sending them all over the world. We wer competitive and everybody had a job and people actually believed in Great Britain as a leading light.

Another dreamer of historical dreams. Britain after WWII was a land of shortages and rationing. Even people with money couldn’t find goods in the shops to buy.

Your industry was collapsing. You were losing your empire and with it the huge captive markets that British manufacturers had for their goods. Your industry was uncompetitive and would become more so due to labour and quality-control issues. The torch of scientific and technological innovation had passed to the United States, which was also busy scooping up global markets that had formerly belonged to Britain and France. Your Parliament was full of Socialists and Communist fellow-travellers who still believed Stalin was great. Even your popular music was rubbish.

Stop believing TV and movies are real. They are fantasies. The past was never like it is shown on screen.

a reply to: Astyanax

ask the Hubster (a kind of Trumpster-at-home)

lol

Maybe a Marshall plan for the Middle East would be a good idea? Can't see Americans going for that

a reply to: Arizonaguy

I guess you missed the part about Ford already taking the hint.

No actually I didn't...We are talking more than just pressuring companies with the use of political rhetoric here to hurt a companies public image,your proposing increased tariffs in hopes that it will financially immobilize entire companies so that you can recreate the products of said company through start-ups...
That's incredibly twisted...

Since these start-ups won't have the vast wealth to take on the levied tariffs you want for companies who out source labor they would be forced in a way to keep most if not all their jobs here. Well that's great and all but what happens when these start-ups gain enough wealth(and they will eventually) to not be impacted by tariffs? Increase corporate tax rate again..?
I don't believe in using the state to coerce companies into bending to its will,its just wrong.

So I'm curious,when automation begins to really take over the work force are you in favor of levying increase taxes against companies who use automatons instead of human workers?

if Trump is elected congress will be running scared.

I'll believe it when I him see him in action,until then it's just hope and wishful thinking on your part.

Third, don't even use the words service based and economy in the same sentence.

I'm sorry you feel that way,however times have changed. The days of manufacturing and factory based labor is over,the solution to America's economic woes are to adapt to the market forces at play. If you choose not to adapt that's on you and you alone. Forcing everyone else to abide by the way you desire the state and operations of the global economy to be is futile.