Patriotism is a Fraud and You Have Been Duped

a reply to: Godabove09

There you see ?
IT'S NOT ONLY AMERICA'S fault.

originally posted by: Godabove09
a reply to: MALBOSIA

Didn't the U.S come into WW1, fresh, optimistic and ready after Britain and France had spent 3 years fighting in the most depraved and inhuman conditions imaginable, in such slaughter houses as Ypres, the Somme, Pachendale, where whole towns and cities in Britain lost their men aged 16 to 45 and which ended up costing Britain almost a million men?
You come waltzing into this two thirds of the way through and have the unbelievable arrogance to posture as if "you won the war" and Britain was beaten etc..etc...etc...?
If that isn't the most delusional, twisted, dishonourable propaganda to feed patriot fervour I don't know what is?

Always gets me too.
Germany lost in 1916 when they failed to get a decisive victory at jutland.

The RN blockade meant they were screwed.

Only question was how long before the resource and food shortages got to crippling effects.

If the USA had not got involved the war would likely have lasted a couple of years longer but the result would have been the same.

A good article.

I too, from an early age loved reading, especially history. And also got a lot of good education from my parents, and others, about the scourge of patriotism and nationalism, and the disease it perpetuates upon humanity.

Hitler used patriotic fervor to prepare the German people for war. And his propaganda tool wielded it expertly, using constant terms such as: "homeland" "national pride" and other terms to whip the people into a frenzy.

Hitler stated: "Our people must first of all be liberated from the hopeless confusion of internationalism, and be deliberately and systematically trained in fanatical nationalism."

A few comments regards nationalism:

Nationalism divides humanity into mutually intolerant units.” - Author Ivo Duchacek

So many of the problems that we face today are due to, or the result of, false attitudes . . . Among these is the concept of narrow nationalism—‘my country, right or wrong. - Former UN Secretary-General U Thant

"[Nationalism] is the arch-villain of all the evils. It divides people, it destroys the good side of human nature, it leads to inequality in the distribution of wealth. - Argentinean writer Jorge Luis Borges

The spirit of nationality is a sour ferment of the new wine of democracy in the old bottles of tribalism. - Arnold Toynbee


The Wars of Religion have been followed, after the briefest respite, by the Wars of Nationality; and in our modern Western World the spirit of religious fanaticism and the spirit of national fanaticism are manifestly one and the same evil passion.” - Arnold Toynbee

I have always seen nationalism as a means to narrow the mind of a person and blind them to the truth that we are all of a human race. It imbues arrogant pride of nation and importance of self in a person. it can make a person react blindly out of rage and hatred toward others not of the same origin or national identity.

Nationalism, tribalism, and racism.

In The Cultivation of Hatred historian Peter Gay stated:

In the battle of loyalties nationalism blotted out all the others. Love of one’s country and hatred for its enemies proved the most potent rationalization for aggression the long nineteenth century produced

Schools in all countries inculcate the principles of patriotism. . . . The conditioning that requires all to rally around the flag is of particular importance in winning subordination to military and foreign policy.
- Former U.S. Ambassador John K. Galbraith

The primary cause of the insecurity of nations persists, the very attribute on which nations pride themselves most—their sovereign independence, their ‘sacred egoism,’ their insubordination to any interest broader or higher than their own. - U.S. Foreign Service and State Department veteran Charles Yost

Patriotic fervor has been whipped up, and the cult of emperor worship has a modern-day counterpart in the wave of nationalism that has swept the earth.

People in all cultures, both Communistic and Western are cultured by their governments to render sacred service unto the flag and sacrifice their lives at the alter of war, and that of their children.

In fact the very reason the National Anthem is sung at every school in the United States, and other countries, as well as at all sports events is to keep the population under control of that nationalistic fervor. It is Nationalistic propaganda whose only purpose is to divide.

a reply to: JackReyes

"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war."Dec 14, 2014"

What we mostly see nowadays is religionism. As in the fighting for religious dominance in the ME and between Cruz and Rubio.

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: Baldryck

TextAmerica was built on rebellion and freedom of expression.

Not to mention the slave trade, but as I said, lets edit that part of history and talk about liberty and freedom.

Talking about propaganda...

The slave trade dates back to before ANY history and still is alive and going now. Also a little hint, it has nothing to do with the color of a persons skin. It is a power issue. Blacks own slave. Brown's own slave. Whites own slave. Yellows own slave. And each of these owned any of the other color slaves.

Slavery is a big and growing market even today.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: JackReyes

"The difference between patriotism and nationalism is that the patriot is proud of his country for what it does, and the nationalist is proud of his country no matter what it does; the first attitude creates a feeling of responsibility, but the second a feeling of blind arrogance that leads to war."Dec 14, 2014"

What we mostly see nowadays is religionism. As in the fighting for religious dominance in the ME and between Cruz and Rubio.

There is no doubt religionism is a major reason for division and war. And too many times world rulers manipulate religionists to advance their agendas, such as Hitler did.

Jesus, the greatest personage in history, and whom many claim to follow stated this about patriotism and nationalism:

(John 18:36) . . .Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.”


And he also stated of his true followers:

(John 17:14) . . .I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.

So while may religions, including those of Christendom are drenched in blood-guilt for crimes in war, perhaps Catholic slaughtering Catholic, Protestant murdering Protestant, because they are of different nationalities. Jesus' followers all over the world separate themselves from politics and refuse to go to war and kill each other.

You can find a united group of people in all the world that have indeed "learned war no more." And are not a part of the divisions and wars of the world that follow Jesus' example.

As for the religions of the world, including Christendom that claims to worship the God of the Bible. Holy Scripture indites her in prophecy as being blood-guilty for the blood of everyone that has ever been spilled (especially the saints and holy ones):

(Revelation 18:24) . . .Yes, in her was found the blood of prophets and of holy ones and of all those who have been slaughtered on the earth.”

a reply to: JackReyes
1000000 stars

It always disgusts me seeing "Christian" Americans holding a bible in one hand and then wavering a flag and cheering for war in the other.

Jesus would not support the U.S. goverment, he would not support the troops and certainly would not support the USA wars!

a reply to: Logarock

Yup. Or had no choice. Fk fighting for the oppressors

a reply to: gladtobehere

What obama wars?

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Since you're from Australia I wouldn't expect you to know this but America is NOT flourishing.

I know quite well what's going on around the world, of course America is flourishing. Your bankers get out of gaol free cards and the tab picked up by the ordinary taxpayer. Your country is staying afloat only by the fact that Oil is globally traded in the $US.

Or are you implying that there are 2 Americas? What is fascinating is that the disparity in wealth is very evident walking down any street in the USA. All it takes is another diversion and patriotism is fired up again. Forgotten are the lies that led your nation to meddle in other countries affairs. The cycle keeps repeating, the Star Spangled Banner played at every public event. The body bags coming home are not "counted", the black shirted LEOS are allowed to run rampant.

If you haven't realized your'e living in a Fascist state by now you never will. The Diebold voting discrepancies in the 2004 elections may refresh your knowledge


To see how many US companies are in the top 10 I suggest you look at the link

www.globalresearch.ca...

a reply to: TrueBrit

but I do so with pride only for those moments in which we did things to be proud of, and in memory of those who did those things. I sing it in defiance of those moments of our history of which we should not be proud, not because of them.

So you sing it either way...I see

I love this place enough that I would see it burn before I saw it become the tyrant it was in years past

And yet you continue to profit from illegal wealth of the Middle East or from Afghanistan. And there are cameras in every corner of your lives - but thats not tyranny?

but never feel that hating the parts that make you furious stops you being a patriot. It is the only thing that ensures that you are a patriot at all.

ie Cognitive dissonance?

a reply to: mouthfullofkefirgrains

Alexis de Tocqueville, (1805-1859) the French social philosopher visited America to discover the reasons for our incredible success. "Democracy in America" (1838)

Really? you know what else he said?

en.wikipedia.org...

In France, I have often heard men I respect but do not approve of, deplore that crops should be burnt and granaries emptied and finally that unarmed men, women, and children should be seized. In my view these are unfortunate circumstances that any people wishing to wage war against the Arabs must accept. I think that all the means available to wreck tribes must be used, barring those that the human kind and the right of nations condemn. I personally believe that the laws of war enable us to ravage the country and that we must do so either by destroying the crops at harvest time or any time by making fast forays also known as raids the aim of which it to get hold of men or flocks.[25][26]

Whatever the case, we may say in a general manner that all political freedoms must be suspended in Algeria.[27]

Tocqueville thought the conquest of Algeria was important for two reasons: first, his understanding of the international situation and France's position in the world, and, second, changes in French society.[28] Tocqueville believed that war and colonization would "restore national pride, threatened", he believed, by "the gradual softening of social mores" in the middle classes. Their taste for "material pleasures" was spreading to the whole of society, giving it "an example of weakness and egotism".[29]

Do I also need to show countless examples of how God has been rolled out when needing to conquer yet another nation or exterminate another race or group?

Christianity is the companion of liberty in all its conflicts -- the cradle of its infancy, and the divine source of its claims."

Mussolini was also a Catholic, funny how Christianity and temporal powers has kept man subjugated these last 2000 years.

a reply to: JackReyes

Jesus never came to start a religion although others did in his name, and yet you critique Religionism?

Jesus' followers all over the world separate themselves from politics and refuse to go to war and kill each other.

That would be the conscientious objection of the Jehovahs Witnesses or have you been living under a bushel and are implying Jesus followers dont have blood on their hands? Are you a JW proselytizer in disguise by any chance?

a reply to: BigBrotherDarkness

So the article -- and you -- are saying. I'm saying otherwise. I will continue to say -- and live -- otherwise.

It's not about superiority, it's about responsibility. It's not about promoting government or documents, it's about promoting principles and people.

It's pretty darn sad that your smallminded view does not understand this. But I'm not putting myself in that little box. You are very good at attacking, criticizing and trying to tear others down, even when others are expressing a higher and more noble perspective than you are. Hmmm... and I'm supposed to reject all that I know to be good and beneficial for someone who just wants to bully and abuse everyone who dares have an independent thought? Somehow, that's supposed to convince me that you are more "humanitarian" or more... I don't know... what? Superior??? Is this what I'm supposed to replace my patriotism with? Hate? Animosity? Hostility? Delusions of grandeur???

Not gonna happen.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

I personally profit?

Hardly. If I were profiting from anything, I would not live with my mother, in rented accommodation, work out of rented premises, or have nothing in my personal bank account, or have no car. If I were profiting from anything at all, I would not be just barely getting by. Profit allows freedoms to a person that I do not possess. I do not live a lifestyle which suggests in any way that I am profiting. I personally, am surviving.

There are those in my nation who are profiting from these things, but they are fewer in number, and small, infinitesimally so, in terms of the percentage of the population.

My attitude to patriotism, is that to be a patriot is to love a place enough to change the things which do your nation no honour, to be vocal and active in trying to alter the course ones nation takes, through its foreign affairs, and indeed its internal affairs. Our history is strung with moments to be proud of, and moments to detest. Our involvement in slavery, we should detest, our Imperial days, we should despise because of the blood we shed in securing that position, and the lands we helped destablise along the way.

Patriotism for me, is advocating for a government which will do no harm in its dealings with other nations, which will seek to do our people honour by behaving with conduct and decorum on the world stage, which pays homage to the greatest moments of our history, and turns its nose up at the worst of our excesses, vowing never to repeat them in any small way. We may never get there, but as long as patriots breathe on these shores, someone will be trying to make it happen.

As for cameras, I despise the fact that Liberty is absent from our lives, since every part of them is monitored. Look at my post history if you fail to believe me. GCHQ I and those who bade it observe our every waking moment are traitors to this nation and her people and I detest their presence in our lives entirely.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Well said, remembering you posts now from other threads, which I always pay close attention to, and love reading, I didnt think you were meant to be taken the way I intepreted it. Sorry

Original Patriots were not guilty of Fraud. They struggled against the control of a free society asserted by enemies within and without.

Its in their mindset somewhere. The "Dupes" are the minions and cogs of the state that never cease trying to run everyone and everything.

The end result is what we got today, a Rogue government gone wild using subjugation to assert its dominion over the entire world.

Dupe doopty dupe.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

That would be the conscientious objection of the Jehovahs Witnesses or have you been living under a bushel and are implying Jesus followers dont have blood on their hands? Are you a JW proselytizer in disguise by any chance?

During the WW2 history shows those most successful at combating Nazi Patriotism were the "Bibelforschers" research them and you will understand as a group why they were successful. An estimated 1200 died in custody, almost all were German citizens and not Jews, unlike the Jews all they had to do was sign a piece of paper and they walked free.

But there were others to, but they were very rare people who understood what Jesus words meant and would not bend the knee in patriotism to Hitler and his Nazi's, they broke rank with the collectivism of there church who were succumbing to the patriotism that was sweeping the nation. Here is one example

Franz Jägerstätter (1907 — 1943) An Austrian conscientious objector, who refused to serve for Hitler’s army on the grounds that he refused to fight for evil. A committed Catholic, he felt it is duty to reject the authority of the Nazi’s because of their beliefs. Executed for his refusal to serve.

Wow the I hate america crowd going strong today I see...

You can absolutely be a patriot and not be a nationalist, I hate what I see from my government.. but I think the Constitution is a fantastic document worth fighting for and defending. I know we can do better as a nation and I am working towards that day supporting the only political party I trust in the USA... and its not a republican or a democrat. (since they are the core of the corruption we face)

Yes we have done bad things... name a nation that hasn't, especially in the west.. so standing there from your imagined moral high ground talking down at us poor dumb americans is pretty hypocritical. Englands empire nearly drowned the world in an ocean of blood... Australia brutally oppressed the aborigines... the Dutch were masters of the slave trade for quite some time as well, the French... well Napoleon did a number on the population of europe during his time.

That's just off the top of my head, so spare me you hypocritical proclamations, because odds are your nation is standing hip deep in blood as well.

To the folks babbling about WW1, I don't think I've ever seen anyone saying we saved the world in WW1... did we strengthen the lines at a time when the brutal grind may have been wearing the allies down sure that's a fair argument, did we help end it a few years sooner most likely.

I have nothing but respect for the soldiers that fought in that hellish landscape, I've read several books on the Somme and if I was to describe hell on earth I think that place in that time would be right there at the top of the list.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: JackReyes

Jesus never came to start a religion although others did in his name, and yet you critique Religionism?

Jesus' followers all over the world separate themselves from politics and refuse to go to war and kill each other.

That would be the conscientious objection of the Jehovahs Witnesses or have you been living under a bushel and are implying Jesus followers dont have blood on their hands? Are you a JW proselytizer in disguise by any chance?

Does it matter?

They have the right idea.

Jesus would be disgusted at most Americans who claim to be his followers.

Jesus would not support, trump, cruz, clinton or any of the politicians.

Jesus would not own a AR-15

Jesus would not have supported the USA wars in the ME or supported George W.

Jesus certainly would not want any of the RAR RAR chest thumbing Merika bull#.