Video of 1,400 More Americans Losing Their Jobs to Mexico- Sickening.

How many people here shop religiously at Wal-Mart? You're a huge part of the problem. Karma is a bitch, it will come back and bite those that support Mexican/Chinese crap.

originally posted by: Hr2burn
How many people here shop religiously at Wal-Mart? You're a huge part of the problem. Karma is a bitch, it will come back and bite those that support Mexican/Chinese crap.

I gave up Walmart two years ago.

a reply to: Hr2burn

It's getting really hard to find product not made in China/Mexico.

So many plants have shut down from the 80's until now, I always look where the product is made, and since I am in sales I try to push products made in USA, Canada, Germany and so on. But sometimes every item in a category is made in China.
If you need that item then what do you do, say on principal I am not buying it, and hurt yourself on needed items.
One area I have personally paid more money for when I can find it is Garlic, grown in either America or Canada, but it's quadruple the price of Chinese garlic. Now multiple that by every item you buy, suddenly you wouldn't be able to afford to live. It's a catch 22.

I am a gas fitter, i will no longer be using carrier products. Im going to go with napoleon for pretty much everything now. At least they will stay in canada.

a reply to: poncho1982

I started about a year ago to shop at wal mart as a last resort. But the problem is chlothes. There are no clothes shops anymore.

originally posted by: DexterRiley
Here's United Technologies financials for 2014. I suppose this is the most recent report available.

7% year-over-year increase in profits of $2.8 Billion for $16.8 Billions in net sales for their "UTC Climate, Controls & Security" division. See page 19 of that report for more information.

I guess that's just not enough profit and growth for Wall Street.

-dex

Then there is the Iphone that costs 200 to make including labor, and they sell it back to us for 650 bucks so that execs and wall street can get a big cut of other peoples money.


Before any of these Trade Agreements were enacted, Worker Rights, or even the same Constitution we have should have been required under all participating countries.

The Communist System in China does not work under For the People, By the People and To the People like ours does, or is supposed to be.

250 Million Chinese had their lands bull dozed and stolen and forced to move to the cities to make widgets.
There was nothing voluntary or Free about it which is required under Free Market Capitalism

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I had a friend who worked at a tool and die company. Years ago he said they would have molds made in China because it was cheaper to have them manufactured there and than repair the flaws when it was shipped back to the company. This country sacrifices it's worker's lively hoods and it's product quality for increased profits. This is the greed aspects of Capitalism. Our government is as much to blame for not taxing products made by overseas and Mexican cheap labor.

I worked in tool and die and I saw this first hand in the early 2000's. Stuff coming in from China with Chinese writing all over it. Around 2005 I saw entire industrial complexes full of tool and die shops disappear over night.

You could thank the politicians for this: NAFTA, GATT, and they will soon pass TPP which will make it worst!

More Jobs will go overseas to slave wage countries.


And people still vote in the same jack ass politicians who get bribed to do this. BOTH PARTIES ARE GUILTY


ONLY Bernie and Trump are even talking about this.

What we have to understand is that these trade deals that send American jobs overseas are direct boons to the corporate swine to make more money for themselves.


And the fact that we aren’t in the streets protesting in the millions for this to stop is proof we are all brainwashed like supine sheep sent to slaughter.


Also, why isn't this reported in the news headlines?

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
One part of the problem...

The company has to keep the prices on its products low enough so that Americans can afford them...

Like the Iphone?

time.com...
Apple’s $649 iPhone 6 Reportedly Costs $200 to Make

There are a lot of items made by Americans that are similar in price to products overseas, but the profit margins are not as great. They could make the iphone here but then they would not make 500% profit either.

Meanwhile, a lot of the items made overseas are inferior in quality and cheap to make so the execs and wall street charge the same price and pocket a larger sum of other peoples money.

The quality of products Carrier will pop out will deteriorate in quality.
The same thing that happened to Craftsman Tools which used to be one of the halls mark products of American Made before they were manufactured in China. Now Craftsman is junk.

Fortunately there is still Snap-On which is good quality American Made Tools.

All Snap-On branded tool products are made in the USA, with the exception of two lines of tool storage made in Canada. Anything else not 100% made in the USA are labeled as Blue-Point. In addition to the plants listed below, there are other plants in Murphy, NC, Carson City, NV, Crystal Lake, IL, Milwaukee, WI, and Robesonia, PA.

Who is this, so we will know who NOT to buy from? Better yet, I don't subscribe to this "business decision" BS, where no one is held accountable because they hide behind a corporate veil. The lack of "Personal responsibility" is why America is in this situation today. If the people making the decisions were held personally responsible....like the courts do to us, they would not try this crap.....Who is in charge of this company....some names please?

originally posted by: Leonidas

Don't give the consumer a pass for their responsibility in this.

Consumer or voter they all play a big part in it all. People want to think companies are evil or even some kind of AI. They are neither since they just follow the path to profit of least resistance. If the Government made it cost $150 for Nike to make a pair of shoes overseas and that same pair cost $140 to make here we would have Nike back in a week, but then sneaker prices would double and we can't have that. Do we want jobs or cheap shoes, so far it has been cheap shoes...hehe

a reply to: jacobe001

250 Million Chinese had their lands bull dozed and stolen and forced to move to the cities to make widgets.
There was nothing voluntary or Free about it which is required under Free Market Capitalism

I had not heard about that. Did that happen recently? I know that Chinese Chairman Mao did a lot of this kind of crap during the 1950s and 1960s. But you would think that the US would have penalized China for behavior like this if it had happened within the last couple of decades.

But of course the US Corporatocracy wouldn't allow anything to spoil America's good relations with China. Never let a "necessary" little human rights violation get in the way of profit.

-dex

originally posted by: reddragon2015
I know a lot of VFX guys who either had to move to Canada or change fields cause of this crap. All the VFX companies moved to Canada because of tax breaks... It's so irritating...

What is irritating, them moving to Canada or the high taxes they are trying to avoid?

a reply to: Hr2burn

I was just going to post a simular thought, and tie it in with NAFTA, now our govt want to sell us out with this TPP.
I hope everyone enjoys their cheap crap.

America is the only country that doesn’t defend its labor force.

America is out of control led by greedy capitalists who are all criminals along with the politicians they buy.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
... and yet, cries for unbridled capitalism and "the free market" have enabled these carpetbaggers to use the United States infrastructure and resources (and tax breaks and corporate welfare) to build their businesses, and then they screw over the very People who have made them what they are.

We the People need to get a clue and stop letting these parasites live and profit (ridiculously) off of us.

Well, America is not known for free trade et al.
there are thousands of import tariffs in force, from 20% to 350%, and that's all about protectionism.
The clue about jobs losses in the US is just where you see it..in the video, all those firms who want even more money.

originally posted by: DexterRiley
As I watched that video I am reminded of Ross Perot's warning back in the early 1990's about the "giant sucking sound" of jobs as they move to Mexico because of the North American Free Trade Agreement otherwise known as NAFTA.

I think that was a Bill Clinton thing if I'm not mistaken.

-dex

Here is something that supports your claim about Bill Clinton...including actors HC and Obama. This is a very interesting read!

www.politifact.com...

Clinton has changed on NAFTA

"Yesterday, Sen. Clinton also said I'm wrong to point out that she once supported NAFTA," Obama said. "But the fact is, she was saying great things about NAFTA until she started running for president. A couple years after it passed, she said NAFTA was a 'free and fair trade agreement' and that it was 'proving its worth.' And in 2004, she said, 'I think, on balance, NAFTA has been good for New York state and America.' "

The Clinton campaign says Obama is wrong, that Clinton was critical of NAFTA "long before she started running for president."

We looked into Clinton's past remarks on NAFTA and concluded that she has changed her tune, from once speaking favorably about it to now saying the agreement needs "fixing."

The agreement goes back to the 1992 presidential campaign when Bill Clinton ran against incumbent President George H.W. Bush. On Aug. 12 of that year, Bush finished negotiating NAFTA with Mexico and Canada. During the campaign, Bill Clinton said he would support NAFTA if elected, but would demand supplemental agreements to protect worker rights, the environment and sudden import surges.

After Clinton won the presidency, his administration negotiated the side agreements and made NAFTA one of its top priorities. Vice President Al Gore memorably debated Ross Perot about NAFTA on CNN's "Larry King Live." Congress approved the agreements, and it was hailed as a major political victory for the new president.

As first lady, Hillary Clinton publicly supported her husband's position. In 1996, in a visit with unionized garment workers, she said the words Obama now quotes. "I think everybody is in favor of free and fair trade. I think NAFTA is proving its worth," said Clinton, according to an Associated Press report.

Clinton wrote positively of her husband's efforts on NAFTA in her memoir "Living History," published in 2003:

"Creating a free trade zone in North America — the largest free trade zone in the world — would expand U.S. exports, create jobs and ensure that our economy was reaping the benefits, not the burdens, of globalization. Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal."

During a 2004 teleconference on funding cuts for job training, Clinton was asked whether NAFTA should be revisited. She replied, "I think that we have to enforce the trade rules that are inherent" in NAFTA. "I think on balance NAFTA has been good for New York and America, but I also think that there are a number of areas where we're not dealt with in an upfront way in dealing with our friend to the north, Canada, which seems to be able to come up with a number of rationales for keeping New York agricultural products out of Canada," she said.

originally posted by: smurfy

originally posted by: Gryphon66
... and yet, cries for unbridled capitalism and "the free market" have enabled these carpetbaggers to use the United States infrastructure and resources (and tax breaks and corporate welfare) to build their businesses, and then they screw over the very People who have made them what they are.

We the People need to get a clue and stop letting these parasites live and profit (ridiculously) off of us.

Well, America is not known for free trade et al.
there are thousands of import tariffs in force, from 20% to 350%, and that's all about protectionism.
The clue about jobs losses in the US is just where you see it..in the video, all those firms who want even more money.

New York cares about profits...that is where most of the "big businesses" are headquartered (visa vi..shareholders).

They make the paper decisions there. Now going to the location of the actual work itself you have unions...and some, not all unions, are like leeches...just sucking as much money from a good business as they can without doing much work...

I know I work my ass off every day as a sole proprietor...I see how much work I do and make and I compare with some people I know who are union and they brag about benefits, salary, etc...and they do like half the amount of work I do...I don't blame some businesses for shutting down and moving elsewhere...it is the PEOPLE that force companies to move...labour costs are too high and the taxes on big business is also too high.

The other problem is the cheap crap (products) that come from China that copy good quality USA products and dump them in the US market at a much lower price. That is not fair at all...so STOP importing crap from overseas at lower price...and focus on good export business. That will save jobs...and so far no current candidate running for president has the knowledge or resources in doing so (with maybe the exception of Trump)

a reply to: Hr2burn

How many people here shop religiously at Wal-Mart?

These days what choice do we have? Walmart comes in and virtually kills all of its competition. Mom and Pops businesses can't compete with Walmart's immense purchasing power, so they have to close up shop. Eventually the only place left to purchase certain items is Walmart. That is until they decide that your small town is not worth its own Walmart, so they move to another one 20 miles away and open up a Super-Walmart. Now not only can you not purchase items locally from the stores that were there before Walmart came in, but you have to drive 40 miles round-trip to pay for the privileged of getting cheaply made cheap stuff.

These days I try to support locally owned and small businesses all I can. Even if it means paying a few dollars more. I wish we had all seen how this was going to turn out before we fell in love with good old Wally World.

-dex