Video of 1,400 More Americans Losing Their Jobs to Mexico- Sickening.

I really hope that was just sarcasm, working in the HVAC industry, I would simply like to state that Carrier makes much more than simple furnaces. a reply to: poncho1982

Hi TrueAmerican,

The US supervisors who physically go to Monterrey, had better
update their wills and make their funeral arrangements
ahead of time. Their life expectancy will be measured in
weeks or months, at best. Even up-armored vehicles
may be insufficient to keep them alive.

You don't believe it? Go there and step out of the airport,
see how long you live in a closed up 50 gallon drum filled
with diesel.

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a reply to: TrueAmericani say if they want too ok but first you are going to payback all the taxbreaks the state and city gave you over last 20 years and when you get up and running then be prepared to pay a60cent on the dollar tariff for everything you make in mexico but want to import here to sell what you say you are an american company why should we have to pay a tariff true but you decided to abandon american workers so you get to pay a penalty taeriff. this will go to workers who lost their jobs with little notice.

Is anyone aware if these workers are Union?

I'd be curious.

Read the story.they ARE Union...which is part of the puzzle.

Second part of the puzzle.

This move is intended to address the challenges we continue to face in a rapidly changing HVAC industry, with the continued migration of the HVAC industry to Mexico, including our suppliers and competitors, and ongoing cost and pricing pressures driven, in part, by new regulatory requirements.

Mmmm Hmmmmm...interesting

Personally, I think you are all looking at this completely wrong, Including Trump. Let me break it down for you.

1) This isn't an example of America losing more jobs (at the macro level), but rather a window into the continued transformation away from manufacturing jobs in the US to a more services-oriented nation.

2) Manufacturing in America as a basis of the economy has passed, ENTIRELY. We've accumulated too much wealth, and now our services cost too much relative to the rest of the global workforce.

3) What you SHOULD see when watching that video is the beginning of a new journey for those men and women, as they are skilled.

4) No one OWES them a job.

5) Trump simply cannot punish large companies for leaving. Why? The vehicle for which the Feds would have control to do that, incorporation, would be poisoned by the lack of "acting in good faith". Companies would choose to incorporate elsewhere and move their holdings offshore (See Google and Alphabet as an example) even more than they already do.

6) The only way to do this is to incentivize corps to stay, and the way to do that is to maintain a very skilled technical workforce and continue to push the nation towards a more high-skilled workforce. The problem is we have to IMPORT green cards to fill these positions because our schools suck (thanks Feds).

7) The only way is forward. Progress. I don't mean progressivism. I mean economic and workforce progress.

8) Ask yourself, do you want to see this country revert back to a manufacturing-based economy? If so, it will require a workforce MUCH less skilled and a population MUCH less wealthy.

9) The only way is forward. More tech companies. More health care startups. More high-skilled industries and innovation.

10) The only problem I see is we have too large a population. Germany has it about right in terms of pop, but now they are being invaded due to the global banksters needing a higher birthrate to pay back the interest on the Euro.

11) We live on a farm (Molynuex). We are the animals. We exist to create wealth for TBTB. Until that changes, you might has well roll with it and be the fattest hog in the pen.

The CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement, their contract) was agreed to. You can't back off a wage agreement in the contract until it's re-negotiated. I wonder how recent their contract renewals were...and how or why the company agreed...maybe fear of walkouts?

But then when I read the company also had to factor in NEW REGULATION costs, it made sense.

The contract probably had them against the wall, new Federal and State regulations kicked in, and someone decided to pull the plug overnight.

that's my theory.

People *DEMAND* lower and lower prices for the things they buy which forces manufacturers to do everything they can to lower costs to remain competitive - but those same people *DEMAND* good paying jobs stay in their country or state.

You can't demand a top wage-paying job making TV's, cellphones and cars then complain they cost too much and buy a product made in China or Mexico.

Preach "Buy American" all you want, but unless you are willing to pay the price associated, you are just blowing hot air.

originally posted by: Leonidas
People *DEMAND* lower and lower prices for the things they buy which forces manufacturers to do everything they can to lower costs to remain competitive - but those same people *DEMAND* good paying jobs stay in their country or state.

You can't demand a top wage-paying job making TV's, cellphones and cars then complain they cost too much and buy a product made in China or Mexico.

Preach "Buy American" all you want, but unless you are willing to pay the price associated, you are just blowing hot air.

Correct. Read my post above. Made in America is old think. That was the old way. We'll never be a manufacturing-based nation again, unless it all crashes and we have to start over.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

Another sellout of Americans, pure and simple.

Companies don't sell out. They just follow the path of most profit, and our government makes those paths...

Very similar to what I went thru. Notice the employees are standing? That's because they made sure there were no chairs. We could not bring in our lunch boxes either. They wanted to make sure that nothing was thrown.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

Another sellout of Americans, pure and simple.

Companies don't sell out. They just follow the path of most profit, and our government makes those paths...

Don't give the consumer a pass for their responsibility in this.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I wonder what new regulations they were going to have to comply with. Did you see anything in the article that indicated that?

Sometimes the government's bureaucracy-industrial-complex makes work for itself to justify it's oversized existence. However, sometimes the government does have justifiable reasons for implementing these regulations.

-dex

I blame the idiots who worked for the company for not picking themselves up by their bootstraps and becoming nurses or plumbers.

What losers.

I hate to say it but I'm on the verge of becoming a globalist rather than a nationalist. I'm starting to think fighting progress and change is a losing endeavour. Now I hate change but I hate fighting for a losing cause even more. Unless there is a huge change of fortunes for the nationalist causes soon I'm thinking it's globalist or bust.

a reply to: Leonidas

You have that all backwards.

People do not demand cheaper and cheaper products. They earn less and less relative to the cost of living every year, so they have no choice about what they can afford. If wages were kept pinned so that inflationary action on cost of living was always mitigated for by an automatic matching change in wages, then this nonsense would not be happening.

As it is, the majority of people have experienced a drop in earnings in real terms, and the gap between top paid, and least has grown in size to the point of insanity. Frankly, any observation which fails to take this into account, is missing the point by a margin of miles.

a reply to: TrueBrit

It's a cycle. As people's purchasing power goes down (inflation) they can't afford things. Companies need to make their products cheaper to keep making sales. Cheaper products means paying people less. People making less money can't afford as many things...so companies outsource manufacturing to reduce costs...

It's like a huge game of Jenga. The bricks on the bottom are being taken and placed on the very top.

Eventually the whole damn tower is going to fall over. You can't just keep squeezing the middle and lower classes and pilling all that wealth at the top. It's not a sustainable system.

So this is the type of thing Trump says he is going to stop.
Is he going to rip up NAFTA, and impose a 50% tariff on all Made in Mexico goods.
How about China same thing 50% tariff.
Problem is he would need to phase that in longer than his 4 years as POTUS, as companies need time to tool up and set up and train a workforce It took time to go away and it would take time to come back and people aren't that patient.
A side effect is it could produce a grey market via Canada.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

No, it most certainly is not!

Being able to earn just enough to keep a worker alive and working, but not enough to actually consume a goodly spectra of products themselves is bad business sense anyway. But more than that, it's bloody immoral. People are not machines. They require things to live to an acceptable minimum standard. I believe that the minimum standard ought to be to live in good health, secure in their premises, with enough food, water and energy to account for their needs without being placed in debt by the cost of these things and to have something over to put in the bank afterward.

Unless businesses can provide that to their staff, provide products to the consumer at reasonable rates and do so under the express understanding that this will necessarily mean less money at the top than would serve the aims of greed, then those businesses simply should not be running at all, which would free up the workers to start their own companies as collectives, or become employed by other companies who require their skill sets, and crucially, are actually prepared to pay the correct rate for them.

The crux of the issue in my mind is do we favor people of our own nationality for employment in our businesses for mutual self benefit or because of old fashioned nationalism that has been drilled into us since a young age? Perhaps at one point in time it was mutual self benefit, now I'm not so sure.

In the modern global economy with such economic and national mobility is it really viable to hold onto these ideals? If nations barely exist why should I pay wages and taxes at a higher rate than needed to? These are the questions I'm sure many business owners have asked themselves.