Video of 1,400 More Americans Losing Their Jobs to Mexico- Sickening.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

It's not the Mexican fault. It's your own lazy, grumpy as*s American snow-white citizens, who do not appreciate decent wages!

a reply to: Skywatcher2011

Bill Clinton said he would support NAFTA if elected, but would demand supplemental agreements to protect worker rights,

In trying to give Bill Clinton the benefit of the doubt, I looked into this a little bit more. This supplement is called "The North American Agreement on Labor Cooperation (NAALC)"

Of course Wikipedia is generally a good place to start research. When you click on the link to view the Wikipedia entry for that particular topic, it just redirects back to the original NAFTA article. For some reason that struck me as being a red flag. I dug around and finally found an Overview document.

I scanned through it until it started making my head hurt. It's written in your basic government circle-jerk-speak. As near as I can tell, it does little more than pay lip service to "Workers Rights." It's actually a prime example of Bill Clinton's blowing-smoke-up-your-ass type deception.

And as far as HRC is concerned, if her mouth is open then it's a sure bet that a torrent of lies is issuing forth unabated.


-dex

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011

The other problem is the cheap crap (products) that come from China that copy good quality USA products and dump them in the US market at a much lower price. That is not fair at all...so STOP importing crap from overseas at lower price...and focus on good export business. That will save jobs...and so far no current candidate running for president has the knowledge or resources in doing so (with maybe the exception of Trump)

I agree with you to some extent. The unions need to take in reality and look around them when the next money raise cycle comes around, and have balance.
The other thing is, (grrrr that piggin' facebook icon is in the way and really annoying) anyway, the other thing is, some of the Chinese stuff is pretty good, the real worry there is how polluting is the firm that made the item, and are the materials like the paint the same safety standard as the home product, for instance. If not don't buy it, and if you consider the item crap..don't buy it. As for Mexican ala American goods, I don't know much about, mind you, while I have an American Fender Strat, there's no doubt that the Mexican version is the popular choice for many, and well made.
I would say dumping is something that government need to keep a close watch on, unfortunately, there are very few countries that don't do a bit of dumping, especially of crap, and that includes the US.
Some of the stuff the US dumped on us in the 1980's, like office systems equipment was total, and very expensive shi'ite, I guess things have moved on since then.
Anyway, at the end of the day, there is no compulsion for Americans to buy foreign goods, and nobody can force them.
Actually in the UK, it's the small guys like yourself who are doing very well in engineering precision parts, spare parts and retro stuff.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: TrueAmerican

What do you expect them to do when they can move to Mexico and not have to deal with unions and other hassles that our Government inflicts on companies. The problem is the more you regulate and tax 'the rich' the more they will flee the country for less authoritarian governments.

Unions only account for 15% of the workforce
It sounds like you want all the power concentrated in one class and the workers to have no rights.
There is no balance of power in that equation

Organized Big Business that brought us NAFTA, TPP etc is Saintly

Organized Labor is evil, right?

a reply to: DexterRiley

Absolutely correct. Clinton was a bigger fraud than Obama.

He not only did NAFTA but also was the reprobate that repealed Glass Steagall

Right on Hillary too. She is lying now saying she doesn’t support the TPP.

originally posted by: glend

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
One part of the problem...

The company has to keep the prices on its products low enough so that Americans can afford them...

But If americans loose all their jobs they cannot afford to buy anything regardless how cheap it is. So the real issue is to earn a quick buck for stock holders without any concern for the longer term welfare of the nation.

Exactly!
The Government has bent over backwards to support Wall Street at Main Street expense.
In the past, people told me Wall Street is important because it fuels Main Street


Well, it is the other way around now where vulture capitalism and government work hand in hand to destroy business or merge together to get more on more profits on Wall Street.


The top .5% wealthiest of this nation made their wealth not through incomes like 99.5% of the people in this country, such as being a top brain surgeon, but by gaming the stock market, including insider trading politicians.

So of course, they will defend Wall Street tooth and nail to protect they and their cronies, and screw everyone else along the way.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
a reply to: MystikMushroom

That's before "corporations" and "globalism" became the primary business drivers.

A locally owned business exists within a community. There is a symbiotic relationship. If the community flourishes the business flourishes and vice versa, as you alluded to.

Now, companies are only beholden to share holders and cheap resources. The very nature of a corporation detaches responsibility or commitment from decision making, putting profits ahead of people. While globalism encourages an endless quest for cheap resources to squeeze more profit for the corporate share holders. Add to that speculation on potential profits and the costs of natural resources and it's a death spiral.

Good Post
This Corporate Globalism is the NWO.
This is it what Bush Senior spoke of and was planned at Bilderberg and CFR Meetings without the citizens input.
Complete Economic Freedom globally for Corporations and less freedoms and rights for the people of these countries as we have seen the last 20 years.

Organized Business brought us here today with their puppet politicians under the disguise of "Capitalism" while the same supporters of Organized Business call Organized Labor evil. Government and Business in bed together is not capitalism but fascism.
Too much power concentrated in the business class and none in the working class is never good and there should always be a balance.

When Corporations were here selling locally, in the past they have called for tariffs that benefitted themselves and the workers.
Now that many have moved out of the country and sell back to Americans, they have no need for tariffs.

One way to spot a Globalist a mile away is to see if they support tariffs which are Constitutional and have been used by our country many times in the past and are used widely in other countries like China who we buy 4 times more stuff from than they sell to us.

originally posted by: Leonidas
People *DEMAND* lower and lower prices for the things they buy which forces manufacturers to do everything they can to lower costs to remain competitive - but those same people *DEMAND* good paying jobs stay in their country or state.

How are the prices lower when I get lower quality items with planned obsolescence built into it, to which I then have to replace it in a shorter time, than if I had HQ American Made item?

I end up paying for the item twice and spend more than if I had a HQ item to begin with.
We are flooded with low quality crap.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

Another sellout of Americans, pure and simple.

Companies don't sell out. They just follow the path of most profit, and our corporate owned government makes those paths...

Fixed it for you
Records amounts of money going to politicians from deep pocket corporations and banks tells us all who the government works for

originally posted by: Leonidas

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

Another sellout of Americans, pure and simple.

Companies don't sell out. They just follow the path of most profit, and our government makes those paths...

Don't give the consumer a pass for their responsibility in this.

The consumer has less control over our markets than lobbyists do.
We did not get flooded with cheap Chinese crap because of consumers
Corporate Lobbyists and their push for China Trade did.

Explain to me otherwise why we were not flooded in the 70's with it.
In 1975, there were a slew of convenient sized stores in the downtown area with imports from all over the world.
The Chinese imports were limited to a building the size of a gas station.
People always want cheap items, that has never changed, so why did they not explode in size back then.

Its the Trade Agreements where workers and citizens had no input on them.
Just like no citizens have any input on the TPP that was built in secret by organized business.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Leonidas

You have that all backwards.

People do not demand cheaper and cheaper products. They earn less and less relative to the cost of living every year, so they have no choice about what they can afford. If wages were kept pinned so that inflationary action on cost of living was always mitigated for by an automatic matching change in wages, then this nonsense would not be happening.

As it is, the majority of people have experienced a drop in earnings in real terms, and the gap between top paid, and least has grown in size to the point of insanity. Frankly, any observation which fails to take this into account, is missing the point by a margin of miles.

Excellent Post
The Economic Policies favoring the top elite have consequences.
It is no coincidence that the average wage started to drop for the majority of Americans from 1970's to today when Big Business started a Lobby war to capture our government.

It is also no coincidence that from 1970 onwards, we have had many "Free" Trade Agreements pushed by Corporate Lobbyists which has been an utter failure for this nation unless you are one of the top elite.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: TrueBrit

It's a cycle. As people's purchasing power goes down (inflation) they can't afford things. Companies need to make their products cheaper to keep making sales. Cheaper products means paying people less. People making less money can't afford as many things...so companies outsource manufacturing to reduce costs...

It's like a huge game of Jenga. The bricks on the bottom are being taken and placed on the very top.

Eventually the whole damn tower is going to fall over. You can't just keep squeezing the middle and lower classes and pilling all that wealth at the top. It's not a sustainable system.

Yep, it is perfect explanation for Trickle Up Economics.
Eventually the top run out of other peoples money to keep the game going.

I wonder if carrier really thinks that they can sell a product of lower quality, we are not talking about t shirts and jeans. Especially the machines that carrier makes for commercial use, I really see a drop off of their business when the customer realizes their stuff breaking down prematurely.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
So this is the type of thing Trump says he is going to stop.
Is he going to rip up NAFTA, and impose a 50% tariff on all Made in Mexico goods.
How about China same thing 50% tariff.
Problem is he would need to phase that in longer than his 4 years as POTUS, as companies need time to tool up and set up and train a workforce It took time to go away and it would take time to come back and people aren't that patient.
A side effect is it could produce a grey market via Canada.

Every country imposes tariffs though and is a good thing except for the Globalists
It is no coincidence we buy 4 times more from China than they sell to us because they use tariffs.
It will cost you 15 bucks for a box of Frosted Flakes in China because of their tariffs.

People that say that with tariffs, it will make everything more expensive for us.
No, you do not see many buying Frosted Flakes in China
What you will see is local companies supplying that need instead that also employs local workers

We need fair trade plus rights and freedoms for workers of all countries in order for it to actually work.

originally posted by: ArchangelUriel
The crux of the issue in my mind is do we favor people of our own nationality for employment in our businesses for mutual self benefit or because of old fashioned nationalism that has been drilled into us since a young age? Perhaps at one point in time it was mutual self benefit, now I'm not so sure.

In the modern global economy with such economic and national mobility is it really viable to hold onto these ideals? If nations barely exist why should I pay wages and taxes at a higher rate than needed to? These are the questions I'm sure many business owners have asked themselves.

Why should anyone paying any taxes then if it is not for our country and are own economic interests?
I mean, we should kill taxes for military spending right off the bat since it is in defense of the Globalist Ambitions anyways.
Let the globalists foot the bill for policing the globe.

Ha. A little better retribution. Just thought I'd post the video again. Except instead of 3,000 views, this one has over 2.4 MILLION views:



In addition, the story made it to Drudge Report. Suffice it to say that Carrier is going to get a lot of very unsavory phone calls. I'd say critical mass was achieved.

But will even that be any deterrence to the greedy? I doubt it.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Ksihkehe

I have no proof of this... but I believe he dropped out due to a substantial threat to his family... once he got them secure he came back... thats the only way his behavior makes sense to me.

You are correct. I remember that. Perot was used to threats, he made a few enemies, but that threat had a lot more credibility, so he took action.

originally posted by: PLAYERONE01

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: DexterRiley

Yeah, you mean this one?

He was so right.

The look on Bush snr's face at the 1:40 mark says it all. he could have burnt holes through perot with lazer eyes.

The folks in that video are pure scum
They are Cockroaches of the earth that would pad their portfolios in order to sell out their country.

You know, a lot of the puzzle pieces start to fit together after awhile in regards to the Media Brainwashing they have put on us Americans.

Think Tanks like the Heritage Foundation have been at work on turning the populace against anyone that is against their Globalist plans.

We have had social programs since the foundation of this country.
Social Programs have not increased per person in the last 20 years but from the Media Puppets, you would think otherwise.
The budgets have increased but that can be laid completely on the Globalists and their disastrous polices on this country.
Contrary to Media Spin, Obama is not a socialist but another Banker and Corporate Puppet that suckered in a lot of Americans into believing he was for America. I am thinking more and more that Trump is another Obama 2.0

I think the goal is to demonize the less well off that will make up the majority of their Globalist Utopia once the playing field is level across all countries and to demonize those that sympathize with them. For globalists, there are no nations, and there are only winners and losers in their game and if you are not a winner, you are a useless eater that needs to be put down.

And the fact that these high ranking Corporate Heads and Bankers along with Politicians celebrate the cremation of care at the Bohemian Grove every year tells me how much they "Care" about this country.

These are the people on Satans side we were told about when we were younger.
Fortunately, their Corporate Globalist Utopia will fail.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
Just had to share my experience with products produced in Mexico. As a CAD instructor, I had to purchase computer chairs for my lab. I purchased a few chairs manufactured in Canada. The following year I purchased a few chairs manufactured in Mexico. After only 2 years, the chairs from Mexico started to break and fall apart. The chairs from Canada were still in good shape even after I retired from teaching 8 years later.

What it comes down to is companies that sacrifice quality for profit will never get repeat business. So in the long run, are they really benefiting from cheap labor?

It brings to the front that we are not really saving money then if you have to keep buying the same thing to replace it
Even to this day, my uncle has a old fridge for beer, deer meat, etc made in the 70's in his garage, American Made.

originally posted by: Hr2burn
How many people here shop religiously at Wal-Mart? You're a huge part of the problem. Karma is a bitch, it will come back and bite those that support Mexican/Chinese crap.

I have not stepped foot in a Walmart in 10 Years, but where you really need to make the change is where Walmart Lobbyists and other Big Corporations go to make market changes rather than allow them to be subject to market forces.

The Government to put a stop to these "Free" Trade Pacts