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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: jacobe001
I haven't seen anyone support the republicans, TPP, NAFTA.
We've got an out-of-control government that is filled with republicans, democrats, socialists (I'm being redundant) that simply want to make government bigger.
Voting for Bernie, supporting Bernie, only enables congress, higher taxes, more control and less freedoms.
And people are cheering it on!
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: DBCowboy
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jacobe001
Right!
It's all the corporations, and Bilderbergs 'fault' !!!!
Which one are you?
Sure ain't a socialist SELLOUT.
Hell I learn towards autarky.
their national debt has been dramatically reduced.
originally posted by: conscientiousobserver
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
We are already slaves to the banks.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
The Rockefellors came to power when the market was the most free.
What you don't seem to get is the outcome of capitalism is the exact same as socialism. In the case of capitalism the money is consolidated over time to what becomes an oligarchy. The US is now an oligarchy. Where only the rich have the power to persuade policy. That has nothing to do with socialism. It's inevitable. Just like capitalism produced maximum efficiency in labor cost which eliminates jobs.
Socialism does this in a different way where the corrupt politicians are able to control the public and allow their cronies to be wealthy.
What conservatives don't get is the day of classical liberalism in the Republican party are over.
The party has allowed activism through the Christian right, corperatism through cooperate welfare, and interventionist policy to be what the establishment Republican stands for. The establishment Republican loves to take away personal liberty and write moral legislation.
Hilarious hypocrisy thread. In order to defend the status quo of a laissez-faire
I believe in a free market but it has never really existed for very long because of the corrupting influence of an oligarchy.
originally posted by: jacobe001
originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: DBCowboy
With records amounts of money being shoveled into politicians pockets by deep pocket corporations and banks
They seem to agree that government is the solution.
www.theatlantic.com...
The self-reinforcing quality of corporate lobbying has increasingly come to overwhelm every other potentially countervailing force.
It has also fundamentally changed how corporations interact with government—rather than trying to keep government out of its business (as they did for a long time), companies are now increasingly bringing government in as a partner, looking to see what the country can do for them.
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: DBCowboy
You want socialism, of course you think it's a horrible example.
But it doesn't change the truth.
It was a horrible example.
Socialism means more government control.
You can't change it back.
Why not?
The only way that it has ever been revered is through violence and revolution.
Unless you can show me where slaves have "voted" to get their chains removed.
You're not grasping what I am talking about. I'm not saying we need to adopt a government or economy based on 100% socialism. We simply need to socialize certain aspects of our most important needs.
If it doesn't work, shut the program down.
It's not that complicated.
The real problem here is not capitalism or socialism. It's lazy people that are afraid to make changes in their government but will still bitch and complain about how votes don't matter.