Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

a reply to: spy66

So there would be no need for me to say France didnt invoke V.

How about you supply your source to support your claim obama was involved in it.

a reply to: Laxus

The Turkish story simply does not add up.

As has been pointed out on every page of the thread, the warnings began before the aircraft entered Turkish airspace. In fact, the Russian government was informed weeks before that any violation of their airspace would result in the aircraft being shot down. Either the pilots were disobeying orders, or Putin ordered his air force to ignore the warning.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

What? Erdogan loosing it completely! He just attacked about every ally he has.

He is against Isis, but says they are constructed by outside forces to further Islamophobia.
still buys oil from Katar.
And he is as well against Assad.

Clusterduck.

a reply to: spy66

The whole situation reeks of a larger global conflict, and the losers will be the bad guys in history books. Most of the regulars at this site are familiar with shady dealings on both sides of the conflict, but I expect that I will support my homeland, regardless of my government's ill dealings and meddling in the Middle East

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

... No thanks, given in this instance ... Wild Turkey maybe ...

There is a major play happening now.

Not a damn thing that us ATS'ers can do - but gather information - research the bona-fides of said info.
Then re-check and check against a different source ( different search engines have different biases.) find your truth...
And post it up ...

As long as you feel your efforts are solid ... the knee-jerkers can be ignored and the truth will hopefully, float to the top.

Too much conjecture... We need undeniable facts.

Obfuscation rules in this arena.

a reply to: Timely

We need undeniable facts.

Turkey warned Russia that it would shoot down any plane that entered its airspace, and it did. That's a fact.

a reply to: DJW001

Yeah but you ignoring the facts that they provided and that i showed here , that simply do not apply to reality. I am not talking before or after, i am talking the pure maths for the intrusion part. You totally missed or ignored my point.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Belgianbloke
Putin is as bad as Obama. I happen to think Obama, like Putin, is dangerous and needs to go. They are both out of touch with reality, neither are leaders, both are prone to not reacting appropriately.

I see, well I agree with you there.

a reply to: DJW001

Sweet fact # 1 - multiple warnings ignored.

Is there not still conjecture on this point ?

I heard recent talk of the rescued Pilot telling of hearing no such warnings.

The proof in your assertion would require sources.
Please show us the proof.

That speech by Erdogan, .... i am still very confused about it.

That was not the usual doublespeak, he just invented triple- or quadruplespeak.

Will be interesting to see Nato's and Russian reaction.

In the meantime germany is chiming in, they just announced to send Tornado Jets to syria.

I'll be off to stock up on food...

originally posted by: woogleuk
BBC News are confirming it was Russian.

This is going to inflame the situation, regardless of whether or not they were violating Turkish airspace, Russia is going to be pissed off.

Time to phone my parents and tell them not to be booking any holidays in Turkey for the foreseeable future.....

Russia enters war.

Russia suffers boo-boo because of war.

Russia boo hoos.

Such a long thread about a single consequence of perpetual war.

Just wait until Russia encounters some friendly fire or when one of their planes gets shot down by one of their own missiles provided to a now not-so-friendly.

We oughta see a floodgate of boo hoos then.

Turkey's Erdogan says Russian response to downed jet 'emotional' and 'unfitting'

Can't say i disagree. What did they expect?

a reply to: Laxus

You guys assume all warnings occurred once the jet entered Turkish airspace. You guys are ignoring the fact the jet was warned prior that it was approaching Turkish airspace.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Turkey releases audio of 'warning' to downed Russia jet

The Turkish military has released an audio recording of what it says were warnings to a Russian warplane before it was shot down on the Syrian border.
"Change your heading south immediately," a voice says in English. Turkey said it had tried to rescue the SU-24 bomber's two pilots.

They said...they said. In the end, they'll work it out. One way or another.

Maybe part Russian attitude and part technology.

Was Russian aircraft shot down because its satellite navigation was wrong?

But given the Russian aircraft was only in Turkish airspace for a few seconds (and only penetrated, even by the Turks' accounting, by a little more than a mile), it's still possible that the GLONASS system used by the Russian military for navigation may have given the aircrew different information than the Turks had. GLONASS has fewer satellites than GPS, and more of its satellites follow the same orbital path. That makes positioning errors more likely. And with the complex border between Syria and Turkey (and Russia's operations against Syrian rebels taking them extremely close to that border), a slight miscalculation in flight path could put Russian pilots in Turkish airspace.

Link

a reply to: ~Lucidity

Russia did retaliate just now.

Updated Russian Airstrike News

BREAKING UPDATE 6:56 AM EST - 26 November 2015 -- Russian Air Force planes have just attacked and destroyed a convoy of Turkish vehicles . . . inside Syria . Turkey claims the trucks were a "relief convoy" calls the attack "an act of war." See bottom paragraph for update.

a reply to: Xcathdra

You've apparently missed his point again. For the aircraft to have been in turkish airspace for 17 sec, it would had to have been flying at an airspeed of 110 mph. Do you think that's realistic?

a reply to: Xcathdra

No I at least have heard that - and on face value - it sounds perfectly reasonable and a case very hard to dismiss on the international stage.

However when confronted with unverified information; that the rescued Russian Pilot can not recall any such Turkish warnings, I can not help but pause and think - more info required ...

a reply to: Philippines

Is this the aid convoy that was hit earlier today, or have the Russians bombed yet another convoy? If this keeps up then we'll see yet another proxy war between Turkey / Turkmen and Russia / Syria.

I have a feeling that the Su-24 was bombing some high valued assets/allies of Turkey in Syria... The allies phoned Turkey and said the Russians are attacking us and we need support. Turkey scrambled its 2 F-16s with an intercept mission to down said bomber bombing valued assets with the rules of engagement being to fire as soon as they touch our airspace... They "warned" the SU-24, and as soon as it touched their airspace they fired upon their orders.

a reply to: majesticgent

Well we know Russia wasn't attacking ISIS.